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Posted by: ShogunSniper Sep 14 2005, 09:29 PM

Ok, so roughly 95% of all games have a final boss, and any self respecting RPG has a final boss. The only TES game I have played is MW and it had Dagoth Ur, Bloodmoon had Hircine, and Tribunal had Almalexia.

So the point I am trying to make here is: has there been any news on a final boss in OB? If not then this is the thread to discuss ideas for final bosses for OB.

Posted by: King Death Sep 14 2005, 10:02 PM

As far as I know nothing has been said, but I'm thinkin' it'll probaly be some daedra.

Posted by: raistlin Sep 14 2005, 10:43 PM

"in the realm of takhasis godess of evil raistlin strives ever closer to her powerfull presense,with spells running through his mind that can alter time and level cities can he defeat her?No only if he brings her to the plane of mortals......who will be defeated".

i dont see how you could defeat the boss in a game like this as any but a wizard of great power unless whoever your are is blessed and everything thing he carries is an objuect of great power and legend.

Like the first dragonlances

Posted by: Daikirai Sep 15 2005, 02:35 AM

Dagoth Ur, Hircine, and Amalexia weren't final bosses. Final bosses are for games, RPG or not, that force you to go in a single direction.

Though, I do have a feeling that at some point or another you'll be fighting the heir. The story to Oblivion seems way too basic-- The Emperor dies, bad stuff happens, so you find his heir- but let's say that the Heir is an idiot and one way or another you're tasked with killing him and you become the new Emperor.

Remember, Bethesda simply said that you were not the heir. They never went beyond that to imply that you weren't the new ruler. And knowing Bethesda, they're bound to put our character on the spotlight somehow.

Posted by: ShogunSniper Sep 15 2005, 03:07 AM

i know that, i just used the term 'final boss' to keep things simple.

Posted by: raistlin Sep 15 2005, 03:09 AM

Iif they made me the emperor there would be chaos.so i hope they let you.

Posted by: DoomedOne Sep 15 2005, 04:18 AM

They can't make you the emperor, they'd have to be able to write the name of the new ruler into the time-line. Notice in every game you always play an unknown hero, or a hero who's name is replaced by a title.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Sep 15 2005, 03:35 PM

Possibly a daedric prince will be the final one (maybe even depening on which factions you sided with on the main quest). Though most likely they will give us a good suprsise.

Posted by: Daikirai Sep 15 2005, 09:42 PM

Notice that in the time line alligned with Morrowind, they never refer to the nevarine as "The Khajiit Thief, S'Murkel" or "The Dunmer Mage, Gindrellis Telvanni". They refer to him as "A child, born on an uncertain day to uncertain parents, ignorant of the role he was to play in that nations history". How much harder could it be to do that for an Emperor? "An unknown prisoner tasked with finding the Emperor's lost heir, and failed, but ended up taking the seat on the throne of Tamriel." It's true that you always have a title, but in this game it could easily be "Emperor", "Prisoner", or even "Daedraslayer".

Like the water dragon goddess person from Jade Empire said: "Names only exist so that people can point and say "that is mine"." They don't matter, especially in the TES series.

Posted by: ShogunSniper Sep 16 2005, 12:29 AM

i love that game.

and i seriously hope that Bethesda gives us a REALLY good plot twist somewhere along the way. going to oblivion and fighting a daedric prince in a "final battle to the death" would be a bit cliche'd. i'm hoping for either a massive final battle between people and daedra with you caught ight in the midst of it. or.... damn, forgot what i was going to say....

Posted by: Daikirai Sep 16 2005, 02:14 AM

If you've played Fable for the Xbox, you probably remember how on the last level they took you through a series of areas you'd already visited, but during a huge battle. They should do that; a Lord of the Rings scale battle would be perfect for Oblivion.

Posted by: DoomedOne Sep 16 2005, 04:32 AM

Well we know in the end you close the gates to Oblivion. I would really be disappointed if the plot twist involved the heir being evil. It's overdone.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Sep 19 2005, 04:25 PM

I agree with that. But the battle in Fable in my opinion was terrible, it seemed less like a battle and more like a bunch of monsters teleporting around.

Posted by: DoomedOne Sep 19 2005, 11:39 PM

Hey guys, I figured out who the final boss is.

It's Jygallag, a massive emperor mudcrab with an amry of cliffracers.

Posted by: Infiltrator Sep 20 2005, 02:04 AM

Heck yea, I just beat it on PC, I just trained all the mosters from zone to zone, didn't even bother killing them, then the last boss took me like 4 hits with magic arrow to beat. I seriously hope I have one heck of a challenge with oblivions boss.

Posted by: Soulseeker3.0 Sep 20 2005, 09:49 PM

ROFL I would not kill him but make him a palace because he would be the best boss ever! granted I do still suck with the morrowind construction set....

Posted by: I'm a Mormon Sep 21 2005, 02:19 AM

How about this crazy twist: You are the Emperor and you died in the beginning of the game. You were dead the whole time. And only the heir can see you.

Posted by: Aki Sep 21 2005, 04:13 AM

Heroes are like fires, they bright brightly for a time, then are gone, leaving little behind.

Emperors are well documented, and long lasting, they stay in the public eye far longer.

Thus making the PC the emperor would, well, not work very well. Besides, I doubt a theif would want to be emperor. Or something like that. Hero, well, circumstances can coarce them into a short term role such as that. Emperor, no.

There are better qualified people out there for the Job.

Posted by: DoomedOne Sep 21 2005, 07:43 AM

In the timeline they refer very little to the heroes. Remember when in daggerfall you chose between 6 different endings? The timeline had to invent a "warp of the west" which described how the hero's final decision was unknown, but somehow the positive ending for each group came to be. Now imagine that... with an Emperor. Everyone's character is different, with different personalities effecting their decisions.

Like Aki said, it can be done with a nameless hero, not with an Emperor. Also, I highly doubt the heir will betray you. That's an incredibly dumb twist. A much better twist would be... if Jygallag ended up being the main villain.

Posted by: I'm a Mormon Sep 21 2005, 02:39 PM

wft is Jlaygg?

Posted by: DoomedOne Sep 21 2005, 03:00 PM

I have no idea what Jlaygg is.

Posted by: ShogunSniper Sep 21 2005, 07:51 PM

Posted by: I'm a Mormon Sep 21 2005, 09:09 PM

Well, Jygallag sucks then.

Posted by: Soulseeker3.0 Sep 21 2005, 09:46 PM

Oh I beg to differ! That would be the coolest boss almost a shame we would kill him

Posted by: DoomedOne Sep 22 2005, 12:09 AM

In truth Jygallag is the Daedric Prince of Opacity, as in we have absolutely no idea what he looks like or his origins or what he stands for, he's never made an appearance, he's never been summoned, but he's a Daedric Prince, and I happen to think his' a massive Emperor Mudcrab with an army of Cliff-racers, and he's the Daedric Prince of Annoyance.

Posted by: I'm a Mormon Sep 22 2005, 02:57 AM

Well, then I guess what you decribed him as is suiting. I think he'll be a character with 10 hours of dialog that you can't skip past. And he talkes like Ben Stein with add.

Posted by: ShogunSniper Sep 22 2005, 11:54 AM

if its the daedric prince of annoyance then it should be a ombination of:

-A giant Mudcrab with an army of Cliffracers
-That has ten hours of unskippable dialogue
-Every time you hit him your game freezes and when it freezes you're on the ground dead

Posted by: Soulseeker3.0 Sep 22 2005, 09:47 PM

and that has the voice of, no I wont change the subjet that is an annoying boss though

Posted by: Infiltrator Sep 23 2005, 11:02 AM

I wouldn't make him that hard. Maybe every time you hit him you are knocked down, your fatigue becomes 0 and you are blinded by a factor of 99, experience health and magicka degeneration for 30 seconds, as well as getting every common and blight disease.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Sep 23 2005, 03:59 PM

No it will be Silann, Daedric Prince of prolixity!

http://waiting4oblivion.com/on_daedra_silann.html




(It took some digging to find that one again)

And it seems we've uncovered a long lost photo of Jygallag! It was only a fragment of the Daedric Prince's image but I did the best I could.


Jygallag, Daedric Prince of Opacity.

Posted by: Sabe Oct 9 2005, 12:27 PM

Although MW on the whole is non-linear, I find the quests, especially the mainquest, to be very linear. Dagoth Ur, Hircine, and Amalexia were final bosses for their respective quests. So, I expect to see a 'final boss' for the end of the main quest in OB.

The whole annoying boss with the cliff racers, unskippable dialogue, game freezing, fatigue and magic draining, only needs to be killed by a certain trivial item, like a friggin dwemer puzzle box, or a dagoth cup, that took you forever to find in the first place, then sold to a merchant, forgot who you sold it to, found it, then stashed it in a storage chest, to find out later that the computer randomly reset the chest to its original configuration - empty. Then, go to the forums to hear the ever sound advice of 'just load a previously saved game'. Gee, thanks, hadn't thought of that. Oh, wait, just use the console command blah blah blah... Sure would be nice to have a console..FOR MY XBOX. No, I'm not bitter....

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Nov 9 2005, 05:21 PM

Man... some good people died in the making of this shot.... For instance the tiny running man. He didn't make it that much farther than that....

Posted by: Gomez' Nov 10 2005, 01:56 AM

I hope silaan will be more.....boss-ish when we finally get to see him, maybe he took The Heir prisoner to ensure the successful deadric assault. And you have to infiltrate Oblivion to get him back, that surely would be cooler than calling out some farm boy in the middle of his daily tasks.

This boss better have some tricks up his sleeve.

Posted by: DoomedOne Nov 10 2005, 02:45 AM

Not just him, but also two of his buddies that are just ouside the shot.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Nov 10 2005, 04:43 PM

Exactly... poor men....

And besides what could be more boss-ish than two giant feet!.

Posted by: Soulseeker3.0 Nov 10 2005, 09:32 PM

Three giant feet...

Posted by: DoomedOne Nov 11 2005, 06:50 AM

And what orientation would the giant foot be? Would it be a right foot or a left foot? What if it was born with its parents thinking it was a right foot but then at the tender age of 22 it realized after a romantic run-in with a fella named Steve that it was, in fact, a left foot. Then what? Imagine all the therapy. It's family would disown it. Soulseeker, you want to be responsible for that because you want a third foot? If I had a glove on, I'd take it off and slap you with it.

Three feet... the nerve.

Posted by: King Death Nov 11 2005, 03:01 PM

What if it was a middle foot?

Posted by: Soulseeker3.0 Nov 11 2005, 10:31 PM

ROFL!


I thought that right after I read doomed's post...

Posted by: DoomedOne Nov 11 2005, 11:20 PM

There are no middle foots. Being a middle foot is just a rest-stop on the way the left-foot land.

Posted by: Megil Tel-Zeke Nov 11 2005, 11:55 PM

besides a middle foot would throw of any balance and would simply be a hindrance.

feet must always come in pairs.

Posted by: Soulseeker3.0 Nov 12 2005, 03:37 AM

okay fine.... I give up...


4 feet

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Nov 12 2005, 01:03 PM

Yeah soulseeker, god, what were you thinking?

Posted by: King Death Nov 14 2005, 05:15 PM

What if its big toe was in the middle?

What if it was only for kicking? You're sitting there fighting him and you're all like, "good, two feet on the ground, I'm safe from kicking," and then BAM!!! the third foot comes out of nowhere kicks you in the face.


I'm sorry, I actually hung out with people yesterday... it rotted my brain.

Posted by: DoomedOne Nov 15 2005, 12:41 AM

I hang out with people everyday and my brain is fine.

But seriously now, maybe if we had the third foot actually just be a third leg without any toes or anything and could possibly just hang there harmlessly between the other two legs.

Posted by: Toroabok Nov 18 2005, 07:28 PM

i hope Bethesda make a more compelling story-line! I have yet to follow the story-line in MW as it i way too boring

Posted by: King Death Nov 19 2005, 02:29 AM

How far into it did you get? 'Cause I thought that until I actually finished it.

Posted by: DoomedOne Nov 19 2005, 08:20 AM

xstoryline sort of took dives at certain points but all in all was great.

Posted by: Toroabok Nov 23 2005, 04:35 PM

lol i must have posted that on thursday cuz i beat the game after the weekend wuz over! it was a compelling storyline. i dont like traveling and i went to molag mar up north through all the remaining nerevarine camps!

Posted by: King Death Nov 23 2005, 08:38 PM

Told ya it was good

Posted by: Curly_G_ Nov 29 2005, 05:27 PM

It will probably be a type of Daedric Prince or a big firey demon of come kind, being 'Oblivion' and all. Or they could do a Tribunal kind of twist where the good, respected guy is the bad guy. Maybe the Emperor rises from the dead but then he'd just be a crispy corpse that a Tavern owner with a sturdy shovel could deal with.

Hm...

Posted by: Variable Dec 16 2005, 10:32 PM

How's this for a plot twist: Sean Bean is not the rightful heir. He killed the real heir and took his place (come on, haven't you seen any of his movies? He always betrays the main characters). The rightful heir? Bruce Willis. BUT, Bruce Willis, having been killed by Sean Bean, is now a ghost and can only be seen by Haley Joe Osmont. However, Haley Joe is actually a robot child in search of the mother who forsook him, and the player character has to track him down for the duration of the game until he's finally found hiding in the Matrix. Then you fight, like, a grizzly bear or something, I dunno.

Posted by: Curly_G_ Dec 20 2005, 03:37 PM

Grrr... Cliffracers

Posted by: Ragnar Jan 11 2006, 03:57 AM

I hope that it is either an unexpected or new Daedra. I would be ver dis appointed if Lord Dagon was the last boss. I have a bad feeling that he will.

Come to think of it the last boss might not be a daedra. Terence stamps' character is supposed to be the villain and he is a mortal from a different line of kings.

Who knows who the last boss will be. I just hope it is original.

Posted by: xycolian Mar 6 2006, 09:49 AM

I think the final boss of Oblivion will be Silann

Posted by: Curly_G_ Mar 6 2006, 10:18 AM

Well, this thread is pretty old now so some people already know through spoilers, imdb.com and the like.
I wont say anything, but I think it's what Terence Stamp was called in for. And it IS a Deadric... Obviously...

Posted by: Agent Griff Mar 8 2006, 08:49 PM

From what information I've seen of Sillan he seems to be a joke. Honestly, I don't think Bethesda would leak out the name of the Final boss. I can't imagine a more stupid move a gaming company could do. But, because the Oblivion realm you will be visiting over the course of the MQ is licensed property to Mehrunes Dagon, I bet you'll get to see him get angry and freak out a few times. How cool would it be to enter a Daedric Portal and to see a giant sized Mehrunes Dagon throwing Havok-Physics enabled Imperial troopers around? Pure pwnage! But jokes aside, since Oblivion itself is a very cliche' realm in this game, I don't think the final boss will be more original. Mehrunes Dagon has been done before mind you, way back in Battlespire.

Posted by: xycolian Mar 8 2006, 08:58 PM

It's the only thing that we have at the moment so thats what im believeing.

anyways, they could have released the name of the final boss in hopes that people like you would not believe it at all by saying and therefore that would eliminate (in your mind) the suspicions of silann being the final boss.

summary: bethesda wants you to think that silann isn't the final boss by saying that he is so that they can surprise the heck out of people like you who believed that he wasn't the final boss.

EDIT: congratulations if you understood what i said

Posted by: DoomedOne Mar 8 2006, 09:02 PM

Bethesda didn't write about Silann, our pals that run w4o.com did, and they did it as an april fool's joke nearly a year ago.

Posted by: xycolian Mar 8 2006, 09:07 PM

and how do you go about suspecting that this is a trick by W4O? do you have evidence like a quote from stargelman or epy? if so i'd like to see this evidence.

Posted by: jchamber Mar 8 2006, 10:35 PM

in any case I choose to think that no matter what anyone says....that person maybe be the high guy that everyone sees but there is someone even more sinister entity behind the scenes that is pulling the strings. As the readers of my fanfic would know...I am a master of surprise.... so if I were them......it would be....(wouldn't you like to know) I give you one letter- 'a' but I warn you... lots and lots and lots of words have the letter 'a' in them

LOL

Posted by: DoomedOne Mar 9 2006, 03:56 AM

It's not even worth giving you a quote, look up all the big words you don't understand on that page about Silann on google. Geeze, this thread is a year old, everybody figure it out, give it a rest.

Posted by: Agent Griff Mar 9 2006, 08:02 AM

This was said by Stargelman in the other Final Boss thread. Here's your proof! It would have been so cool if we could have visited other Daedric realms, not just Mehrunes Dagon's realm. That's too cliche'! On the other hand I would have loved to see Sheogorath's realm.

Posted by: jchamber Mar 9 2006, 09:13 AM

Don't be a freakin' jerk. You just insulted both my intelligence and the other posters by saying that there would be big words that we would not understand. I am not some kind of pre-teen retard and you have not used any words now or ever, that I have seen, that I am unfamiliar with. However, I will be impressed if you can find this one offline....gaudy lycathrope, the first is an adjective and the second is a rare noun and yes, I did spell it perfectly. They are both real English words and I and have been around for decades and decades.

Also, thread age has little to nothing to do with it's validity as a topic and the moderators and admins forbid duplicate threads regarding the same topic.

Third, my previous post is valid regardless of what has been said by anyone else previous to my posting it. The reason for this is in the nature of the independent catagloration of it into a series of thought that is heterotypic, and if you don't know what that means then you shouldn't be telling people to go look up words they don't understand, especially when they understand everything that is said.

Posted by: DoomedOne Mar 14 2006, 05:04 PM

Wow, first time I;ve ever gotten a private message telling me to respond. You mkdsunderstood, read the april fools joke in the daedra section on the W4O website, there will be a lot of large obscure words you do not understand about Silann, look them up. It will make you feel stupid for posting what you just did and I'm sorry for that, but the developers never said anything about Silann because it wasn't their joke, it was our W4O guys.

here is your developer quote, and those are all the big words you need to look up:

"Description:

Until recently, the existance of Silann was a closely guarded secret. It has only been recently leaked from sources inside Bethesda Softworks that Silann - not Mehrunes Dagon - will be the final enemy -or boss- of TES4: Oblivion. It is rumored that he is of pocillovy nature and likes to commit gruesome acts of tetrapyloctomy and sternutation. "

see, the April Fool's joke can be finished now (after nearly a year). Let Silann die you n00bs.

Posted by: Tellie Mar 14 2006, 10:37 PM

If it is to be a final boss...and that boss will be a daedra prince...I would saaaay.....Malacath...he is the strongest meanest and evilest of the princes,he dreams of nothing but the dsetruction of the mortal races

Posted by: Agent Griff Mar 15 2006, 06:39 PM

Was that post a joke or is it just me?

Posted by: Marxist ßastard Mar 15 2006, 07:22 PM

You mean Mehrunes Dagon, right? Malacath just wants to dispense with an enourmous injustice, albeit in a completely wrong manner. I think he's actually leaning more towards good alignment.

Posted by: Agent Griff Mar 15 2006, 09:25 PM

If we take it that way, Malacath isn't even a Daedric Prince. I don't even see why he should be the final boss. No reasoning behind it.

Posted by: Tellie Mar 18 2006, 10:07 PM

Ahh....DOH...now I feel stupid...of course I meant Mehrunes Dagon...I mixed them up....

Well, I thik he will be the "last boss", after all, when we're going into Oblivion, why not just hand us the biggest meanes, and most powerfull bad guy in the universe.....makes sense dont it.. *gulp*

Posted by: Raziel Matrimoro Mar 18 2006, 11:46 PM

Spoiler in this post.















Mehrunes Dagon, at a giant size, attacks the Imperial City. You and the heir, Martin, go into the Temple of The One as Dagon rips off the roof. Martin tells you he's sorry and he won't be around to help rebuild Tamriel. He steps into the circle of dead Dragonfires and smashes the amulet of kings. He is covered by a great gout of flame as they are relit. He disappears, replaced by an avatar of Akatosh. A giant golden dragon. He and Mehrunes Dagon fight to the death, and Dagon is banished back to Oblivion. He, however, is gone as well. There is no emporer now.


Don't believe me? Check the official forums under the Oblivion Cheats & Hints section.

Posted by: Tellie Mar 19 2006, 10:29 AM

Well...since There is no way any from bethesda would actually tellsuch a thing...and since none of us have completedthe game yet...there is actually no way we can say thet is true.

Sorry, I just dont believe you...then the whole point of the game is gone...we have to close the gates of oblivion...but only the emperor can do that...if he Dies...the daera will keep coming untill there is no tamrielleft....use common sense sometimes...it can be usefull.

Posted by: Raziel Matrimoro Mar 20 2006, 04:30 AM

Oh, you don't believe me? PM someone at the Official Forums who has the strategy guide. They told everyone, and one even had a picture of the heir after he transforms.

Posted by: Siziolvec Mar 21 2006, 06:16 PM

the fight between akatosh and dagon is seriously intense. Too bad you dont do more than stun him.. =(

Posted by: the-anti-neravarine Apr 9 2006, 12:07 AM

The end fight is awesome, Dagon kinda looks like an red orc