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Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Jul 11 2005, 11:52 PM

Honestly I was very dissapointed the way they went about with vampires in Morrowind, in was a little boring (though the mods were nice) and the lack of an animation for feeding and no social life just busted it for me.... Im really hoping here with Oblivion that they'd take vampirism a step further.... making feeding a little more strategic (like in Vampire Masquerade: Bloodlines) and maybe a few new powers though not too unbalanced and fantastical but super speed and a slow-mo would be pretty neat (but possibly too unbalancing)

Posted by: MerGirl Jul 16 2005, 11:21 PM

Ooh, haven't noticed this interesting topic!

Anyway, yes, I really hope vampires will have a more of a social life than in Morrowind. (It was so boring and frustrating to be one!) I hope that the vampires will be able to blend in with the Cyrodiilic natives and interact with them.

Oh, and I hope we can choose (mod?) how the vampires look like. I want my characters to be deadly as vampires and have fangs, but I want to them to still look innocent and pretty-looking even as vampires.

Posted by: Soulseeker3.0 Jul 16 2005, 11:32 PM

LOL

I would like it if you could be like be a trusted friend and then BAM! turn on them

Posted by: 9of9 Jul 16 2005, 11:48 PM

Proper feeding! What on earth is the point of a useless little Health Absorbtion spell that almost any Mage will have anyway when you're an all-powerful Vamp Being able to sneak up on people and dig into their necks is an absolute must!

Posted by: MerGirl Jul 17 2005, 12:17 AM

Yes, yes! That is what being a vampire is all about. I hope there will be drinking blood animations, more complex relationship with NPC's and stuff like that.

Posted by: Red Jul 17 2005, 01:19 AM

I agree, and I hope when I bite someone, they will get a much more complex daily routine.

Posted by: MerGirl Jul 17 2005, 02:16 AM

Oh, my goodness! *slaps forehead* I practically forgot about Radient(sp?) AI!

Imagine, the NPC's would have to convert to a night-life kind of schedule, which would make things more interesting! (Imagine if you bit a shopkeeper; he would have to close his store during morning hours or something.)

Posted by: Soulseeker3.0 Jul 17 2005, 02:52 AM

nah I wouldn't think so, he would just have to stay away from the door. he just wouldn't be able to do anything else.

would one vampire in turn at night bite another villager?

Posted by: lifeishell91 Jul 17 2005, 12:27 PM

Yeah. If you bite one, they bite someone, and it just keeps spreading and spreading and spreading until the entire town is full of dark, powerful vampires. Then maybe it would spread to the rest of Cyrodil!

Muahahaha...Muahahaha...Muahahaha...

Posted by: minque Jul 17 2005, 12:59 PM

yikes....I do hope not!.....vampires scares me....

Posted by: Red Jul 17 2005, 03:55 PM

Radient AI willl make werewolves (if included) more interesting also. bite a castle guard whhile he's asleep and off duty, wait three days and watch as every guard gets bitten, all the way up until the duke of the castle. It will be amazing!

Posted by: Soulseeker3.0 Jul 17 2005, 05:12 PM

the werewolf castle...

dum, dum, duuuummm

Posted by: Kiln Jul 18 2005, 12:15 AM

I couldn't agree more with that one. I didn't like the spell casting vampire's bite thing in Morrowind and I also didn't like how even with a helmet on people were like "Ahhhhh a vampire!" You should be able to disguise yourself.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Jul 19 2005, 12:36 AM

It's nice to know people feel as I do. It seemed as a vampire everything was extremely simplified, if your a vampire the daily schedule should be more involved and difficult. Having to feed every day being manditory would be terrible, having such high advantages should make healing alot more difficult (what with having to steal health from every other living being in the game). And it bothered me how you could drain health from dwemer constructs and the undead.

Posted by: Kiln Jul 19 2005, 12:42 AM

I second that...and I didn't like your inability to disguise yourself either. Everyone was like oh hi mister guy with a full face helmet on...AHHHH die vampire!

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Jul 19 2005, 03:16 AM

Yeah something should have been done about that, but the ability to disguise by simply wearing a faced helmet seems a bit unbalanced. The vampire's embrace mod did a good job of counteracting that though.

Posted by: Kiln Jul 19 2005, 03:51 AM

I was making an example...

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Jul 21 2005, 10:16 PM

It's good to see someone agrees with me about that. It's suprising how many times I have been flamed for propositioning that enhancement on other boards.

Posted by: Aki Jul 24 2005, 03:45 PM

As fun as infecting people would be i think it shouldn't be done, for the simple fact that things can and WILL get messy when you do stuff like that. Esspecially when everyone a Vampire and theres nothing left to feed on, or how the NPCs who start as Vampires could turn Cyrodiil into vampire-land with you the only mortal.

Morrowind is accustomed to dealing with Vampires, they know a dude who wearing a helmet and only goes out at night is a Vampire. Cyrodiil doesn't, so i think we'll see a change there.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Jul 26 2005, 12:46 AM

Yeah, I was thinking infection as a mod instead of being an ingame feature. As for feeding obviously it would be a bit more difficult than just a stealth attack and in a way that doesn't drain them dry (if it can be helped).

Posted by: Aki Jul 27 2005, 02:03 PM

Feeding i can see done in three ways;

A sneaky grab + bite

A brutual grab in combat, where one tears off anything in the way and sinks their fangs into the throat

Or the stereotypical "Lure 'm off and feed on them" deal.

Posted by: Channler Jul 27 2005, 03:27 PM

You know, I've never played a vampire in morrowind.. Hmm am I missing anything?

I've played a werewolf though, much fun I must say =)

Posted by: Kiln Jul 27 2005, 03:55 PM

Vampirism in morrowind was a little dry so in my opinion you didn't miss anything. There are obvious good sides to becoming a vampire, boosts in several skill but it is ruined by the inability to disguise yourself. Nobody besides your own clan likes you, so it's not that great.

Posted by: MerGirl Jul 27 2005, 05:05 PM

Yeah, biting animation and sneakiness is what being a vampire is all about (well, besides the fangs, I mean) to me. Something like in the animations in that Vampire Bloodlines game would interesting to see.

I also think there should be more interesting clans, like in Vampire Bloodlines game or the pen and paper game, White Wolf's World of Darkness. Not just stealth clan, combat clan, and magic clan like in Morrowind. That's just.. too boring and straightforward.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Jul 28 2005, 09:00 PM

Yeah I was thinking it could be like Bloodlines also, Iwas a big fan of that game. As for vampirism you didn't miss anything, the quests sucked, bad perks, and the skill enhancements was the only real good thing they had.

Posted by: Aki Jul 29 2005, 03:38 AM

Yeah.

Vampirism in MW was much improved with mods like Vampire Embrace.

I liked tearing people's throats out.

Posted by: MerGirl Jul 29 2005, 03:42 AM

Well, since they included Necromancy and seemed to be concentrating on the storylines (factions, infamous reputation, etc), hopefully, the devs will put more effort into the vampire society (clans, etc) part of it. *crosses fingers* I'm always hoping. But, luckily, since I use PC, there are always mods to look forward to! Yummy!

Posted by: Kiln Jul 29 2005, 05:57 AM

Yeah well people like me who will get the X-360 version have to hope that such things are implemented before launch because there aren't any mods for the console version.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Jul 29 2005, 09:00 PM

Vampires aren't very important to Oblivion like in Morrowind. They were going to add more stuff to vampires in Morrowind but they needed to make their due date. Vampires are all just gravy unfortunaly and Oblivion seems to be perilously close to it's deadline as well. But hey what do I know, I haven'y played it yet.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Jul 29 2005, 10:34 PM

"Todd then decides to have his character steal several items from the sleeping store owner, telling us that the NPC schedules come in handy for vampires and thieves - most NPCs always sleep at night, offering creatures of the night the chance to strike. " -E3 Demo

Hmmmn, perhaps they do have Vampires in mind in Oblivion.....

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Jul 29 2005, 10:40 PM

A favorite of mine with Vampire's Embrace was making Ordinators (the ones with names) into vampires... that was great.

Posted by: Kiln Jul 30 2005, 12:39 AM

There's a mod where you can make other people into vampires? Too bad my computer won't run it...
*Cough*triple post*Cough*

Posted by: MerGirl Jul 30 2005, 02:31 AM

That's the Vampire Embrace mod Aki had just mentioned above. *points* Yeah, that mod definitely improved some aspects of vampires. (I haven't downloaded it yet, because I have too many mods at the moment. )

Posted by: Soulseeker3.0 Jul 30 2005, 02:46 AM

I know of one mod that has a whole vamp underground but I forgot ther name of it. sorry

Posted by: MerGirl Jul 30 2005, 02:56 AM

Well, the only two "underground" mods I can think of is: 'Suran Underground' (I think it's called that), which is like a some sort of custom faction that is very vampire-friendly.
Then, there is Qarl's 'The Underground', which is sort of a really big, complex quest thing (underground, of course), in which you can have a romantic relationship with a vampire of the opposite sex. Along the way, you can find other friendly vampires, or something similar, and it has some interesting animations.

There are many vampiric mods out there, which is a good thing.

Posted by: Soulseeker3.0 Jul 30 2005, 02:57 AM

oops double post

Posted by: Soulseeker3.0 Jul 30 2005, 02:58 AM

yes talking about the underground (Qarl's), is it out yet?? if so were could I get it?

Posted by: Kiln Jul 30 2005, 04:12 AM

Well I haven't downloaded it yet because I can't...
My copy of MW is on the Xbox so I can't really look forward to mods anyways, whats bad is I know what I'm missing. But it would be cool to have a mod where you can infect people with vampirism.

Posted by: xxMehrunes_Dagonxx Jul 31 2005, 11:42 AM

i think they will have vampires.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Aug 2 2005, 11:36 PM

Well... yeah... ummm... they already admitted that...

Posted by: Red Aug 3 2005, 03:00 PM

True, they just re-confirmed iin the Games planet interview.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Aug 3 2005, 09:40 PM

indeed they did, I salivate at the thought of being able to stalk my victims before the inevitable attack :k

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Aug 6 2005, 12:26 AM

It'll just be wonderful memorising someone's daily habits while hiding in the shadows then when least expected follow them home and FEAST.

Posted by: Konradude Aug 6 2005, 10:16 AM

But you'd have to follow everyone to make sure they don't collied.And then you have to buy a house and relocate sherlock holmes to it, then he finds out when you shoul strike. So you eat that guy, then eat sherlock!

Posted by: Slayer of Cliffracers Aug 8 2005, 07:02 PM

What's to stop vampires feeding off eachother, so when every living NPC has been sucked dry, they turn on one another in a huge blood war that turns all against all. Alternately they could just hunt creatures and drink their blood though, but I guess there probably wouldn't be enough to go round.

Posted by: MerGirl Aug 8 2005, 11:17 PM

I thought there was going to be re-spawning NPC guards? That way, you could always have something to feed on? *does not remember* Morrowind/BM/TB had re-spawning NPC guards, if I'm not mistaken?

And there is the forced reload, so you do not mess up any Main Quest NPC, I guess.

Posted by: Dantrag Aug 9 2005, 01:47 AM

The re-load isn't forced - the devs said that you will get a screen that prompts you to reload, but you can click "no".

And feeding vamps would be cool.

Posted by: Konradude Aug 9 2005, 08:54 PM

I don't remember them saying you got an option. I always read it as you had to reload when you killed one.

Posted by: Rane Aug 9 2005, 09:14 PM

Yes, Morrowind had respawning guards (and a few other respawning NPC IDs as well, eg generic vampires and bandits).

Oblivion will have at least respawning guards and bandits.



Actually, MSFD corrected himself. It's still a forced reload if you kill an essential NPC. There is no way to skip the screen and continue playing.

http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=141364

Posted by: Soulseeker3.0 Aug 9 2005, 10:27 PM

ahh I see nvm i just rad the post, make sense

Posted by: King Death Aug 12 2005, 01:48 AM

No for the same[edit: I wrote some] reason they have to feed. Their blood lacks some critical element (although I can't remember what it is).

Posted by: Aki Aug 12 2005, 07:08 PM

Not really. Vampires just are driven to drink blood, and are only severly weakned weithout it.

The dunmer vampire Mastrius has been sitting in his tomb for Azura-knows how long since she made it so he can't leave that place....without people to feed on...

Posted by: King Death Aug 12 2005, 07:37 PM

Maybe in MW, but just about everywhere else vampires drink blood because vampire blood lacks some critical element (and I still can't remember what it is). All the vampire myths spawn from a certain blood disease (can't remember what it is either) in which their blood lacks some elements, which now day are suplemented through ivs, but back in the day and now, just in primitave areas, they got it by drinking blood.

Posted by: Megil Tel-Zeke Aug 12 2005, 07:42 PM

hemophilia is the disease that hasbeen associated with vampires. the disease i genetic and occurs when your blood lacks the enzymes or the dibers themselves that are used to make your blood clot.

vampires however, drink blood because its makes them more alive. since vampires are essentially neither alive of dead, hanging somewhere in between the balance. they thrist for blood because it makes them feel alive. not because they have to.

I mayb wrong, since i am not into vampire mythology.

Posted by: Aki Aug 12 2005, 07:56 PM

The Lore of TES matters more than Real World lore when it comes to TES games..

Posted by: King Death Aug 12 2005, 08:11 PM

Ya.....

Posted by: MerGirl Aug 14 2005, 06:27 PM

Sooooo, can I have my cannibalistic vampire girl feed on other vampires, not just regular people? Or is that not possible in TES lore? (I'm asking because I'm considering putting a vampire girl in Emma's story, who is hated by vampires as well as regular people.)

Posted by: Aki Aug 15 2005, 09:25 PM

I'm fairy certain one could do that. From Mastruis words, and his situation he didn't have any way of getting blood. It weakned him, but it didn't kill him. He took half the player's health to gain the power neccesary to escape, and the only way to get Mastrius' quest is being a vampire, so if a Vampire can gain power from another's blood, then its quite plausible that a Vampire can make a living feeding off other Vampires.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Aug 16 2005, 10:39 PM

When I was younger (2-3 years?) I was obsessed with Vampire lore. To be honest most of the stuff they had awhile ago was pretty odd.... like when the moon was red it is because a vampire climbed up a silver moonlight thread and bit it.... or wierd vampire-like creature stories from other countries, breast milk stealing snake people that drank blood afterwards, the Walpurgis nacht that looked like a human but had a thorn-like tooth underneath it's tongue for feeding and much more stuff.

Basiclly vampires do whatever the hell you want them to do, modern vampire tales are widely different than that of the ancient days.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Sep 14 2005, 04:13 PM

(sorry about the D-post I figured it had been so long I might as well ressurect it)

I have a feeling vampires will be playing a bigger role in Oblivion, though a passive one mind you. I mean there won't be any vamp related main quest stuff (maybe not even guild stuff) but clans will be bigger and there will be new little treats here and there. Why else would they be so quiet about it? Their keeping it under wraps because they figure they have some good content waiting to be a suprise. (And like they said, they like vampirism and such to a little treat for fanatic players, like in Daggerfall.)

Posted by: plagusthewise Oct 8 2005, 12:23 AM

alot of you sound like vampires.

Posted by: the-anti-neravarine Oct 8 2005, 04:02 PM

Maybe a vampire in high ranks in the mages guild and very few know he/she is a vampire that would be nice and since you can still join andplay guilds as a vamp then maybe you could become a guildm-master vampire(vampire in the DB that sounds fun) stop my silence me or i´ll die before the damn games is realeshed

I heard yesterday that vampires keep the human/elf/orc/cat/lizard like appearence by feeding and if they don´t feed they become......scarier

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Jan 19 2006, 06:10 PM

They tease and torment me!

Must they always keep the vampire info a secret?


I guess I'll just have to wait

EDIT:




Looks like our wonderings have been proved. A feeding animation at last!

Posted by: Sirin Feb 5 2006, 10:16 PM

geez, that Vampiric Touch spell on morrowind sucked. Not just 'cuz it never looked cool, but also cuz it couldnt do much for me. I never used magic very often, so I never had much magicka to spend... basically i was screwed when i became a vampire...

Posted by: Proof Feb 11 2006, 10:44 PM

I hope they have a similar clan system to the Vampires the masquerade series.

Posted by: minque Feb 11 2006, 11:00 PM

Oh well.....Vampires.....some may find them very cool, hmmm I do not....so I will avoid them in Oblivion as I do in MW!

brrrrrr

Posted by: Sirin Feb 12 2006, 12:23 AM

idk, minque, i thought they were pretty fun, if not lacking a bit of detail. course, that's just my opinion, and your opinion is your own, and not mine to question , but in Oblivion, they will be considerably better. lets face the facts, with everything from previous games getting a "do-over", vampires will rock! And it bears mentioning that im quite psyched about the having to feed to appear normal thing.

Posted by: Bofra Feb 12 2006, 03:13 PM

Me neither, as soon as I encountered a vampire in MW i saved and loaded in case I was infected with their disgusting disease However I will not avoid them in Oblivion, I will hunt every single one of them until their is no-one left! Unless they kindly ask me to give them mercy.. I never kill a defenceless victim

Posted by: Curly_G_ Feb 12 2006, 04:50 PM

Do I remember correctly or did I just imagine that I read you can now walk in Daylight unbothered as long as you keep up constant feeding? If you don't feed, you slowly show your true Vampiric form and become harmed by the Sun and angry Peasants. Can anyone confirm?

Posted by: Sirin Feb 12 2006, 09:11 PM

as much as i wish that i could tell you this is true, im honestly not sure. ive heard the same, and heard so time and time again, but im not quite sure if the devs have confirmed it

Posted by: Pisces Feb 13 2006, 09:29 AM

Vampires have always fantasied me because being killed by a vampire is one of the worst ways I can think of to die, my own fears interest me. I am quite a night person myself (possibly because I'm scared of the dark) and they have both power and immortality, power would be nice but immortality is something I crave.

I have heard that you need to feed to maintain your appearance (I'm 90% sure it was official) but I've heard nothing in the least way reputable that feeding will stop you from being damaged by the sun. But I don't follow all that too closely, I perfer to let the game be a surprise because if you look at the pre release MW screenshots they are completely different anyway.

Posted by: Curly_G_ Feb 13 2006, 05:10 PM

I want the game to be a big surpirse but I wanna dive in now, so darn much! >.<

And it will be a surprise, apparently, as Devs are only "scratching the surface with any info" they release.

Posted by: Bofra Feb 13 2006, 05:41 PM

Hmm, if it would be possible to "hide" my vampiric identity and walk around normally during the day then it might be an option to me... It would be my BIG secret noone knows about... Hulking at night just to find a poor victim to satisfy the uncontrolable urge for blood, then wander about doing heroish deeds during the day, some life

Oh yeah, I've also tried to keep the info-gathering as low as possible since the "Woa"-feeling when you initially play a game is priceless, however it seems we won't be getting any breaking reveals from Bethesda, they sure must have gotten wellpayd to keep their mouths shut.

Posted by: Pisces Feb 14 2006, 09:26 AM

I regret watching the demos, because that showed me exactly what my first experiance will be, but I still don't know what it will be like when I first come out into the city, that will be a big woah and I'm not going to watch any more demos to find that out.

Posted by: Holosiren Feb 16 2006, 12:04 AM

Did anyone else read Vampires of Vvardenfel, Volume II? I found it somewhere near the Red Mountain after looting Sunder from Dagon something-or-another, and its implications on Oblivion are intriguing: "In the West, a shadowy fraternity of vampire hunters is believed to be primarily composed of formerly afflicted vampires who have been cured of the disease." What you say?! Brotherhood of Vampire hunters???

Go sanguinary for a while and then join an exclusive cliche of vampire slayers? Sweetness! Is there any potential for this kind of faction in Oblivion? It might be a release date surprise.

Posted by: Sirin Feb 16 2006, 03:25 AM

holosiren, i thought you wrote "Dark Brotherhood" for a bit. then I reread it and saw that it said "Brotherhood of Vampire Slayers" I'm that dumb sometimes

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Feb 25 2006, 08:33 PM

I like the fact that if you go long without feeding you start becoming more apparent as a vampire.

It's a perfectly balanced way to stop the complaint of vampires hardly having a social life while adding a new form of risk and an extra incentive to feed.

This was the best possible way to remedy the problem :]

As for the part of sunlight not hurting you if you've recently fed. I think that's just a rumor, sunlight always needs to be a constant threat to vampires, and having blood in you doesn't make sense as a reason for not being hurt by light. You're hurt by light not because you're bloodless, it's because you're cursed.

I alsop imagine you can feed on NPC's during combat, but your success is based on your stats and the stats of the enemy, whereas feeding on a sleeping person is an automatic success, and that's why people will go through the trouble of breaking and entering, sneaking through a house, and the quietly creeping up on a sleeping victim.

Posted by: jchamber Feb 26 2006, 08:06 AM

that's funny b/c I studied Vampire physiology and I heard that the sun hurts vampires because of a lack of ability to produce melanin, which is a major factor in the protection of the human tissues from ultraviolet radiation which tears the body apart without protection...which is effectivly why vampires are weak against sunlight and not normal light, when a vampire drinks blood maybe there is a very small amount of melanin in it, not really sure to be honest, if so then that is your justification

also remember that there are times when gameplay enjoyment shouldn't be sacrificed to make things a little more "real" if I had to worry about being caught in daylight and couldn't sleep in the fields (which we can't without a camp being there) I wouldn't ever use the vamp side of things until I had beaten EVERYTHING else, that is when I would begin to play with it, and it would amuse me for another ten hours maybe twenty, over the course of about two weeks.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Feb 26 2006, 10:23 PM

Well, to your first paragraph, I was talking about fantasy vampires, not people with melanin deficencies, and to your second paragraph, I realize my "realisitic" argument isn't quite a good one (being in a fantasy world and all), but never ever being able to go out into the sunlight adds a good bit of strategy. At somepoint you may need to get somewhere during the day, for one reason or another.

Maybe it's some sort of quest, maybe you stayed out too long and you need to get to a safe sleeping place you know what be checked by NPC's, but whatever the case, I would love to dodge through the shadows in broad daylight, taking damage, but trying to keep it in small amounts. Eventually I'd be too weak to take another hit, or maybe my only path is in a long sunlit path and I didn't have enough strength to cross it. Then I'd go about trying to find a quick snack. I might sneak into a house, taking my victim by force and then having to kill them as to not give away my vampiric identity, or perhaps I'd hang about in the shadows, waiting for an NPC to head my way. When they got close enough I'd drain their blood and kill them, perhaps even look for a place to hide the body. After that I'd sprint across the shining path to my hiding place and sleep the rest the day away.

I'd try to find a way to make my every day like that, always placing myself in perilous postions, or attempting to just do daring things. Even after I've completly experienced all my vampiric nature has to offer I'll still keep him around, one player RP'ing for the hell of it, but that's just me.

Posted by: jchamber Feb 27 2006, 01:05 AM

sounds fun when you put it like that.....awww man now I dunno what I want so I guess I will love whichever decision they have made over at bethy, or decide that I want which ever one I couldn't have..... that happens sometimes too... i'll just have to see.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Feb 27 2006, 05:03 AM

I bet it's most likely the "never go in the sun" one, like in Morrowind.

Posted by: xycolian Mar 12 2006, 03:09 PM

I wish that there was some kind of hooded robe (I know that they aren't in OB but I can dream can't I?) that you could wear and since the robe prevented sunlight from touching you, you wouldn't suffer any sunlight damage. It would also be cool if you could wear a helm that covered your entire head and nobody would know that you were a vampire and you wouldn't suffer any sunlight damage

Posted by: Rane Mar 12 2006, 03:17 PM

There are hooded robes.

http://www.waiting4oblivion.com/developer_quotes5.html#msfd24

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Mar 12 2006, 07:09 PM

Well there you go.

Posted by: DoomedOne Mar 12 2006, 10:20 PM

Too bad with all the interviews being done by basic chums and us not hearing about vampired for quite some time, that though I'm sure the guys at bethesda wouldn't mind telling us at this point no one is asking them. Still, I guess it'd be better for the whole vampire thing to remain a surprise.

Posted by: Scrotoclease-the-Mighty Mar 13 2006, 12:27 AM

i cannot recall from where, but in one interview i do remember the developer mentioning that there will be a blood drinking animation! sorry if this has already been said, but i only read the first and last pages. However, whenever asked about the vampires, bethsesda dodged the question like they did with the topic of the unicorn

Posted by: Tellie Mar 14 2006, 03:20 PM

Well the reason they did that Scroto, is propably since they dont wish to spoil the entire game by giving us everey tiny piece if information we need...

But yes I do hope there will be such an animation,could be kinda cool

Posted by: DoomedOne Mar 14 2006, 05:46 PM

Yeah it's always, "Yes, they're in, NOW DON'T PESTER ME WITH FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS BIG BROTHER BIG BROTHER BIG BROTHER.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Mar 16 2006, 02:33 AM

Well this is interesting, a screenshot of our first Oblivion vamp.

http://elderscrolls.com/images/art/ob_xbox360/obx31B.jpg

Posted by: DoomedOne Mar 16 2006, 03:02 AM

Ugly umbrella seller right there. I hope you can also look normal.

I think I remember hearing also that being a vampire gives you bonuses but if you're in the sun or don't feed you'll grow weaker and lose those bonuses.

Posted by: Duncan Frost Mar 16 2006, 08:02 PM

Vampirism. Invisibility. Is there any better combanation?

Posted by: Pieinsky Mar 16 2006, 08:42 PM

Some of you mentioned that NPC's will have to change their scedules dramatically
when they become vampires. This is of course based on the premisis that vampires cant go out in the sunlight. Well i remember reading somewhere that in oblivian vampires could wander into sunlight as long as they have Feed! recently. Alos if vampirism spreads from one NPC to another i really have a hard time imajining that there wont be some sort of epedemic. ( based on vamps)


Help so confused with epedimic thing

Posted by: Duncan Frost Mar 16 2006, 09:32 PM

ALSO! We aren't even sure that you CAN give other people vampirism! At least, I aren't

But if you CAN give other people vampirism, what I would do is go into a church and bite one, then they would get the entire town at once!

Posted by: Blitz Mar 16 2006, 09:41 PM

Actually on the subject of the Unicorn in Game Informer A couple months back they said that they saw the unicorn and mentioned that it was the only one and they hoped on it's back and rode it somewhere might have been ther imperial city but it was 100% in the magazine. And on Vampires I personally didn't like them in morrowind because I hated it being night time so I was never a vampire for that soul purpose. But let's hope there is something that counters this then it would be great fun biting someone in there sleep. And as far as I know there is an animation for it.

Posted by: Aki Mar 16 2006, 10:12 PM

Wow. That Vampire is um...

Ugly.

But then again she might've been bitten when she was old, and thus is stuck looking like an old crone.

She does however, give me hope for Dunmer. Her skin tone is very much like that of Morrowind's. And she has pointy ears. So she's a Dunmer, I think.

Posted by: Duncan Frost Mar 17 2006, 04:32 PM

And on that note, once the NPC has done their part in whatever it is they're essential for, you can kill them. So, who's up for making the new emperor a vampire?

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Mar 18 2006, 07:26 AM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure she was a pretty ugly non-vampire to begin with.

Posted by: Sacred Mar 18 2006, 04:03 PM

Interesting thread, was very dissapointed with Vampires in Morrowind.
All I want to know is, is it possible to become a vampire, take a bride and kill a lord who owns a castle and claim it for yourself. Ruling over the small outlying village having the peasents respectivly fearful of you.
Being able to sneak off into a village in the night killing villagers to feed your thirst. The ability to host massive partys and banquets where other lords (and vampires of higher class and nobility) would come. Then every once in a while some noble knights would assault your castle trying to slay you.
If I turned into a vampire I would want to be able to live a real life as a vampiric lord commanding armys of the undead (as a vampiric necromancer) laying seige to other towns and cities, watching the pitiful humans band together trying to stop me (and at times beating me and my armies back).
I don't know to what extent the team will have implimented things like this, but to me the main story and quests are nice but I would prefer the ability to live a life how I want just like Morrowind but in so much more depth.

Posted by: Beagler Mar 18 2006, 05:07 PM

I does sound as if vampires have been overhauled for Oblivion. I also hope that there will be some good quests for my vampire hunter.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Mar 19 2006, 01:04 AM

In the new video (the 3 day video), there is a clip of a Dark Brotherhood member professing to a vampire. He looks completly like an average NPC, despite a red tinge to his eyes.

I believe vampires that feed regularly look mortal, while those (such as the Vampire Matriarch) who do not feed often look rather unsettling (white eyes).

Posted by: Atlarge Mar 20 2006, 01:08 AM

I have the guide can answer most of the questions here, but some might consider them spoilers. I'll try to be vague, but I can't grantee you won't regret reading this. Highlight the following to read it:

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You catch Vampirism the same way as in Morrowind, but that's more or les where the similarities stop. You start out with minor increases in ability and one minor power. After every day without drinking your abilities grow and you gain more powers, but your appearance also gradually changes and so does your sensitivity to the sun. After a while people will refuse to talk to you unless you have them at a HIGH disposition. You can only feed on sleeping NPCs and it has no adverse affect on them. You are only safe from the sun for a 24 hour period after feeding. It looks very fun, to say the least.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Mar 20 2006, 03:32 AM

Oh my, that's amazingly awsome.

Thank you very much for this illicit bit of knowledge :]


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It certainly explains why the matriarch appears so inhuman. It also bothered me that fledgelings were as powerful as the ancient vampire of their clan, but no more! With great power comes great inhumanity. You want to be the classy vampire that may walk in the day sometimes and socialize with humans? You won't be quite as powerful as say, the inhuman vampire is shunned by mortal society and lives in the wilderness but has amazing powers.

Posted by: DoomedOne Mar 20 2006, 03:45 AM

Yeah it seems like a great balance, and convinced to me to go ahead and do the vampirism thing eventually. I have one question though.

If you waited a really long time so you transformed a great deal and gained a lot of powers, but adversely can't really be in sunlight or get anyone to tell you anything important, can you just go back to the old way you were and the old way people treated you by drinking again?

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Mar 20 2006, 03:50 AM

I'm pretty sure that's the way. Though, it might be difficult getting into town unnoticed when your face is like :K. Finding a sleeping NPC in a town of guards going "lYk z0MG!!1!!!11 4 v4mP1r3!/!!1!1!" would be pretty difficult. Though you probably get some sort of invisibilty power after a while. You probably get a dominate or sleeping trance ability too.

Posted by: DoomedOne Mar 20 2006, 04:50 AM

Yeah but then again it's probably going to be hard to become a vampire in the first place. I like how you're not required to kill the victim, too. In Oblivion I planned to do the least amount of useless killing as possible.

I also wonder if they have a high disposition to you and then you become a vampire and people slowly refuse to talk to you, will be with a high disposition continue to have a high diposition or will it drop down to moderate or lower or something? I would think it'd be cool if people who already knew you and really liked you (I.E. high disposition) just saw past the vampire and continued to regard you in the same way.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Mar 20 2006, 04:59 AM

I imagine it'd be like that. Though they'd probably have to be at 100 disp. for that to work (or pretty damn close to 100).

Posted by: fragonard Mar 20 2006, 05:10 AM

"Yeah but then again it's probably going to be hard to become a vampire in the first place. "
According to the guide, you get a easy way to become a vamp in one of the first DB quests.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Mar 20 2006, 05:33 AM

Ah, is that so? Well, that's some extra insentive for me.

Just what is this guide everyone keeps quoting?

Posted by: Atlarge Mar 20 2006, 07:28 AM

The Prima Oblivion strategy guide, it's been out for nearly a week. It's really not all that well put together, I wouldn't get it. Plus it's SO tempting. I haven't looked at any of the quests, but it's been a close thing.

Posted by: DoomedOne Mar 20 2006, 07:56 AM

God, I couldn't handle myself if I had a strategy guide in the same building as me. I would wake up in cold sweats.

Could I become a vampire later if I wished or would that be my only window?

Posted by: Agent Griff Mar 20 2006, 10:43 AM

Now that I know these things, one of my characters will be a guaranteed vampire. I like vampires they have an aura of mystery and power to them, especially ancient ones. I think I'll make an Imperial character that will turn out to be a savage monster living in the darkest of forests, preying on the innocent.

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Mar 20 2006, 06:48 PM

Ha, I like your style, I was thinking of the exact same thing. I'll have one elegent beguiling, socially accpeted vampire, who serial kills in his free time and a revenous creature who's given in to his inner beast, and stalks the forests at night for his next prey.

Posted by: Agent Griff Mar 20 2006, 08:15 PM

Having big fangs and running around with just your pants on in a dark forest while your skin is peeling off to reveal the inner beast is a very interesting notion. Ripping young ladies throats open with your bare hands and sucking them dry then dragging their pale corpses into a local grave yard is an even more interesting notion. I'm going to love beeing a vampire, scratch the romantic notion of a noble vampire cause' that sucks. Think about what you can do as a vampire! You can drag bodies so you can drag a victim of yours to a cave or fill a mausoleum with dried bodies. Pure bliss! For a blood sucker.

Posted by: Shogun Ryudan Mar 22 2006, 08:32 AM

It would bepretty cool if there were also vampire slayers; NPC's who focus mainly on killing vampires. That would make playing vampire even more interesting, since this time aroung you don't know who is out there to kill you (assuming vampire slayers have a better chance of figuring out who is a vampire or not).

I also wonder whether one of the five counts may be a vampire/necromancer. Or perhaps there is a sixth count who is a vampire/necromancer!!!! Just imagine not only being a vampire but doing quests for this one vampire count and then rising up the ranks to be one of his or her greatest champion!!! SWEET!

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Mar 22 2006, 04:54 PM

Well, I have Oblivion, and I've already made my character a vampire. TO be honest, it's not all that great.

I haven't aged him yet, but I plan on it.

PS: No vanmpire clans exist on OB, sorry :[

Posted by: 1234king Mar 22 2006, 08:51 PM

well chaos if you have the game already...... WTF ARE YOU DOING IN THE FORUMS.

Posted by: Shogun Ryudan Mar 22 2006, 08:57 PM

No Vampire-clans... too bad .


Oh well, it might be a good idea for some modders(*cough*, *hint*)

Posted by: Dr3dg Mar 23 2006, 06:08 PM

There is someone who tries and hires you to kill a vampire but he seems like an idiot... I made a vampire character yesterday. I thought it was pretty badass. OB pawns

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Mar 25 2006, 10:25 AM

So far the minor power you get is "Eyes of the Hunter" or somesuch.

It gives you nighteye as well as detect life.

I'm not sure what the other powers are just yet, I didn't keep my character a vampire, it interefered with his assassinations.

I'm going to make a new character specially devoted to being a vampire.

Posted by: Tellie Mar 25 2006, 09:17 PM

Stomach Ache...how do you make your char a vampire...havnt thought about that yet...but now I WANT a vamp char.........

Posted by: Intestinal Chaos Mar 26 2006, 09:21 AM

After you do a few Dark Brotherhood quests, the quest giver (who is a vampire) offers you the "dark gift". That's not the only way to get it, the usual method of infection is still in.

Posted by: Agent Griff Mar 26 2006, 09:32 AM

I've already started my quest to be a blood-thirsty monster stalking the forests near Morrowind. I have made my home out of an abandoned (as in killed owners) cave near Cheydinhal and I only come out at night. I once ambushed an Imperial Soldier on horse back and left him and his horse dry. I decorated my cave with his armour after that.

Posted by: DoomedOne Mar 26 2006, 09:33 AM

Just be warned if you do become a vampire, the sun kills you really fast eventually if you don't fee regularly. Pretty easy to avoid though, just go back inside and wait until nitfall, and the area is so littered with caves and stuff whenever riding if the sun sneaks up on you it's pretty easy to find a nice little cave or something to wait at.

Posted by: Agent Griff Mar 26 2006, 09:36 AM

That's why I only come out at night. My character looks like a monster so he wouldn't be well liked around town anyway. I mostly feed with animals though because there aren't many people in the woods. I ocassionaly stalk the roads going to the city because there are sometimes people on horse-back on the roads. I love ambushing people on the roads with an invisibility spell.

Posted by: Catmando Mar 26 2006, 06:18 PM

being a vampi sucks boat.. i mean i hate have to always feed...... the powers are cool but now that i am the head of the dark brotherhood i think i dont need it anymore.

Posted by: DoomedOne Mar 28 2006, 12:11 AM

griff, you're not feeding, you're just killing, feeding is how you suppress your inner demon in the tamrielic world.

Catmando, that's what you accept when you decide to become a vampire, the curse is that you're constantly tormented, it's always there, you can never switch it off. But hey, at least you live forever.

Posted by: itsupthere Mar 28 2006, 12:34 AM

I'll become a vampire again when I finish the main quest. It sucks having to feed constantly while you're trying to shut oblivion gates. I was a vampire once already, but I really never got to try it for a long time. I fed 10 times, and was a vampire for 15 days.

Posted by: Agent Griff Mar 28 2006, 07:19 AM

I'm not even trying to supress the inner demon, I let it take me and give me power. I let it turn me into a blood-sucking beast with no mercy or feelings. Pretty much like a werewolf, the only difference is that I chose not to be one of those wuss vampires that live in the cities and sneak into people's houses to drink their blood while they sleep. I'm a hands-on vampire that stalks his prey through the forests, attacking them when the time is right. I sometimes meet a highwayman that tries to rob me. The thing is, the only items I have on me are some shred up pants. The thing that will be shred up soon is the highwayman.

Posted by: Frostblade10 Mar 28 2006, 09:39 AM

I can see it now: The sequel to Oblivion!

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Posted by: sins_to_dark Mar 28 2006, 12:41 PM

Indeed that is true now that im a vampire in oblivion it rules Lonce i forgot to feed constantly and died in the sun but there is a perk to not feeding you get more spells

Posted by: sins_to_dark Mar 28 2006, 12:58 PM

How did it interfer with your assisnations ( your on about DB right) cause my charactors a vampire and it didnt effect my assissnations

By the way I think the DB is maybe the best guild ive been in including the ones in MW

Sorry for the double post forgot i posted on this forum