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Posted by: Darkness Eternal Mar 12 2013, 05:42 PM

Back in February rumors were on the rise claiming the next DLC might be called Redguard. Here is the info:

http://www.ibtimes.com/skyrim-dlc-release-after-dragonborn-could-be-redguard-zenimax-files-patent-downloadable-computer

Now, it would seem there is some measure of truth to this rumor. But I think it may be fake. Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAE48m5crYg

Posted by: Colonel Mustard Mar 12 2013, 05:48 PM

Given the evidence assembled, it seems plausible. And the 9th of June isn't too far away, either.

I'd personally love a bit of DLC set in Hammerfell; it's a region I've always been very curious about, and I've always said that the next setting for TES VI would be Hammerfell if I got my way. If there's a DLC of the setting, though, I'd be content.

Colour me interested...

Posted by: King Coin Mar 12 2013, 05:55 PM

Well... I haven't even ventured into Dragonborn content yet. I'll be set for quite a while if this is true.

Posted by: ghastley Mar 12 2013, 06:00 PM

After releasing a previous game called "Redguard", I'm surprised that they needed another trademark application. Or maybe that was just about to expire, and they renewed?

Posted by: Lady Saga Mar 12 2013, 06:06 PM

Ha ha neither have I.

I wonder if I'm finally gonna get my Hardcore Mode (with on and off toggle).

Posted by: SubRosa Mar 12 2013, 06:27 PM

This has always been my thought too. It seems unlikely that Bethesda would release two titles with the very same name. But you never know.

Posted by: Colonel Mustard Mar 12 2013, 06:30 PM

Considering that Redguard was released to no great acclaim (I'd completely forgotten about it until Ghastley mentioned it, for a start) it might be that they're releasing it under the same title and aren't particularly worried about brand confusion arising on any scale to be worth worry about.

Either that, or it might be a re-release of Redguard with modern-day graphics; that's always a thought. After all, those HD re-releases are all the rage with the kids nowadays!

Posted by: Grits Apr 15 2013, 07:19 PM

Here's an update on the Bethesda Blog: http://www.bethblog.com/2013/04/15/moving-to-our-next-adventure/.

Sounds like a no.

Posted by: Colonel Mustard Apr 15 2013, 07:31 PM

Taking that as evidence for my theory of a Redguard HD remake. New project is the remake.

Either that, or Fallout 4. I'm happy with that, too, though they know what's good for them they'llbring Obsidian in for design consultancy, considering how massively they managed to upstage Fallout 3 with New Vegas.

Posted by: ghastley Apr 15 2013, 07:40 PM

All that says is that Skyrim is complete. No more DLC/expansions. Next thing will be a whole new game i.e TES VI, presumably.

Posted by: King Of Beasts Apr 15 2013, 08:11 PM

No more updates? They just abandoned it?! NO! THATS [censored]!

Posted by: Colonel Mustard Apr 15 2013, 08:18 PM

They said they were updating it still. Just not releasing any more DLC.

Posted by: King Of Beasts Apr 15 2013, 08:21 PM

I DLC, lol. I'm pissed that they won't be releasing anymore DLC's. this next game better be good

Posted by: Colonel Mustard Apr 15 2013, 08:22 PM

I know, right? I mean, there's only about five hundred hours right now. That's an outrage!

Posted by: Colonel Mustard Apr 15 2013, 08:27 PM

This is the internet. Threats of physical harm are pointless, you big silly!

Still, I don't get the upset. I'd get it if they upped sticks and completely abandoned TES, but this is so they can work on a new TES project, with a new approach, new features and hopefully combat that's actually good as opposed to just being functional. There's still more TES, but it's new TES, and if you ask me that's a good thing as opposed to just milking Skyrim like a cash cow.

Posted by: King Of Beasts Apr 15 2013, 08:28 PM

No, I posted on the wrong thread

And I'm not really upset about them stopping anymore production on skyrim, just a by disappointed

Posted by: Elisabeth Hollow Apr 15 2013, 08:33 PM

This made me laugh so hard XD

Posted by: King Of Beasts Apr 15 2013, 08:40 PM

I posted in the wrong thread. I did t mean to threaten him

Posted by: Colonel Mustard Apr 15 2013, 09:07 PM

I was like; "Nobody threatens me on the internet! I'm gonna be so condescending he won't know what's what! I'll condescend him into next week!"

Posted by: King Of Beasts Apr 15 2013, 09:15 PM

Now you have no reason to be condescending I don't know how I managed to post on the wrong thread. Again.

Posted by: Colonel Mustard Apr 15 2013, 09:21 PM

Put you posted it in the wrong thread, you daft old thing. Look at you! Aren't you so very silly!

*Ruffles KoB's hair*

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Apr 15 2013, 09:26 PM

This is very dissapointing. At least we get Elder Scrolls online.

Posted by: King Of Beasts Apr 15 2013, 09:29 PM

True. ESO doesn't look TOO promising though

Posted by: Darkness Eternal Apr 15 2013, 09:33 PM

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xz0u8n_the-elder-scrolls-online-hd_videogames?search_algo=2

I do agree with you though. I'm not a huge mmo fan, but I'll still play it.

Posted by: King Of Beasts Apr 15 2013, 09:36 PM

It looks cool, but the faction lock kills a lot.

I'm still going to play it of course though. Seems fun.

Posted by: Elisabeth Hollow Apr 15 2013, 09:39 PM

I CAN'T PLAY IT CUZ MY COMPUTER IS SO TEENSY!

Posted by: King Of Beasts Apr 16 2013, 01:31 AM

I don't believe they just decided to not make anymore skyrim DLC's. they're hiding it from us, I just know it

Posted by: McBadgere Apr 16 2013, 06:20 AM

Well, that picture/blog thing seemed to make it official...

No, I shan't be doing the ES Online thing either...*Sigh*...

Guess I'd best saving for a PS4 now then... ...

I said to the brother that I'd get one when there's an Assassin's Creed, a Fallout and an Elder Scrolls on it...

Well, the first one's confirmed, and my guess is that Fallout is next and that'll be PS4...

Ah, money...I dids't have some of thee once... ...

Posted by: King Of Beasts Apr 16 2013, 06:21 AM

The post looks official, but Bethesda is always pulling [censored] like this, then three months later they come out with a brand new shiny DLC.

Posted by: McBadgere Apr 16 2013, 06:34 AM

Yeah, there's always that hope...

But like I read in an interview with Pete Hines yesterday, some of these people have been working on Skyrim for five years now, and really really want to work on something else now please... ...

They do have to say, enough! at some point...

Although, I kinda expected at least one more DLC meself...

Maybe after the rows about the others they just said "Stuff it"...

Posted by: King Of Beasts Apr 16 2013, 06:35 AM

Say, how long did they work on oblivion? 5 or 6 years right? They came out with plenty of DLC's and plug-ins for oblivion, so I don't see why they'd just abandon skyrim

Posted by: Elisabeth Hollow Apr 16 2013, 06:43 AM

Dude, I'm ready for another game.

Posted by: King Of Beasts Apr 16 2013, 06:46 AM

Whatever they're working in better be good, lol. And they better not just trying to be funny

Posted by: Colonel Mustard Apr 16 2013, 12:19 PM

Considering what I've seen has filled me with a pretty mixed bag of opinions, I'm personally withholding judgement until it's own and I've had time to read reviews and forum posts about it.

Posted by: Renee Gade IV Apr 16 2013, 02:30 PM

I agree. Something seems fishy.

Posted by: SubRosa Apr 16 2013, 02:36 PM

3 DLC does seem kind of sparse, when you consider that most games get twice that. Oblivion got what? 8 or 9 if you include SI and KOTN. FO3 and FONV both got 5 or 6 dlc each.

Posted by: ghastley Apr 16 2013, 02:50 PM

Just remember that the count for Oblivion includes Horse Armor.

Posted by: Colonel Mustard Apr 16 2013, 02:59 PM

They may be cutting it short on account of the difficulties they've had developing for the PS3; considering that the PS3 version's initial reaction to the DLC was something along the lines of "argleblargleraaargh!" and the subsequent reaction of a good chunk of their customer base was something the lines of "argleblargleraaaargh!" and that, now that customers will expect future DLC to be released for all 3 platforms and will react to this not being the case with "argleblargleraaargh!" Bethesda may have decided that it's simply not worth developing more DLC due to the difficulty and expense they're going to have with dealing with the PS3's very tricky and complex memory architecture, and they simply don't want to risk alienating PS3 customers so are just starting development for the PS4, which has much simpler memory architecture.

Posted by: SubRosa Apr 16 2013, 04:32 PM

Yet somehow Bioware could release Dragon Age: Origins on not only Windows, X-Box, and PS3, but also the Mac OS, and put out 10 DLCs and/or expansions for it. If they can do it, there is no reason Bethesda cannot. Everyone else in the world can release their games on the PS3. Bethesda has no one to blame for their incompetence except themselves.

Posted by: Elisabeth Hollow Apr 16 2013, 05:43 PM

And Sheogorath.

Posted by: Colonel Mustard Apr 16 2013, 05:59 PM

Dragon Age isn't exactly the best example to give, considering how the games were both developed on entirely different engines, had entirely different design principles (DA:O is a semi-linear game with small environments and next to no actual use of a physics engine, Skyrim is a massive open-world game with fully interactive physics), and was designed for the PC which is a fundamentally different development environment than the PS3, which Sony designed with its Cell architecture which is dificult to code for because...reasons. So, yeah, not a great example.

Besides, you're missing my point; I'm saying that the fact that Bethesda coded themselves into a corner with Skyrim is fine, what I'm saying is that that's probably why they're not trying any more DLC, because it would be a bad investment. And in any case, I'd rather they actually moved onto a new project instead of milking Skyrim as a DLC cash-cow, as is often the case with popular games nowadays; considering the absolute creative quagmire triple-A gaming is currently in thanks to the "don't fix what ain't broken" attitude of developers, Bethesda actually trying something new instead of just making an easy buck of Skyrim DLC (which would sell, no doubt about it) is a good thing, in my eyes.

Posted by: Kiln Apr 17 2013, 08:36 AM

Honestly I can understand some of your argument but the part about Bethsoft not wanting to make a quick buck?

Bethsoft is charging double for Skyrim DLC compared to Fallout DLC. What I think has happened is that they've figured out that people will pay double the price for DLC so they don't need to put out as much to support their games.

Posted by: Colonel Mustard Apr 18 2013, 11:48 AM

What I'm saying is not that Bethesda doesn't want to make a quick buck, but because they almost certainly would like to, but what I'm saying is that three-platform DLC is too expensive to develop as a quick buck, or if they do it for PC/Xbox only, they have a short-term profit for a long-term loss on account of alienating customers on the Playstation. They should've done a better job of coding Skyrim initially, but as it is it's too late to fix unless they give their engine a major overhaul, and that's something that can't be done by a patch and will have to be implemented on future patches.

I imagine Bethesda's logic went something like this:

Scene opens on board meeting of Bethesda Softworks, with executives gathered around a table. Robert Altman stands at the table, in front of a projector screen.

Robert: Okay people, so we're meeting here today to discuss Skyrim's future when it comes to DLC. Now I'm sure we all know that if we don't release on all three platforms, PS3 included, our customers aren't going to be happy. Now the first question is for you and your pet code monkeys down in programming, Steve; can we quickly release a piece of DLC for all 3 platforms in a manner that won't cause the Playstation version to crash and burn spectacularly?

Steve: First, Robert, stop calling my team and I code monkies. But let me answer your question with a little visual metaphor.

Steve picks up a Playstation 3 from underneath where he has been sitting. He switches it on.

Steve: This is a Playstation 3 running a piece of new Skyrim DLC which we've had plenty of time to bug-check it an optimise it. We're talking several months just for that, at least, so quite a bit of money.

Steve picks up a chainsaw from underneath the desk, revs it and slices the Playstation in half. Much to the concern of all involved, chunks of mangled plastic and circuit board fly everywhere. One piece hits an intern who was pushing a trolley of coffee into the room right in the eye, but nobody pays any attention as they are an intern

Steve: And that's a PS3 where we don't take the time to do it.

Robert: Good point there, Code Monkey, one we should definitely keep in mind. Therefore, we've got two options; we either spend a lot of cash on developing cross-platform DLC, or we just release for PC and Xbox. Alison, I mentioned that idea for you to see if you and the rest of the PR team could gauge the public's reaction to us announcing that again. What did you find?

Alison stands and walks around the table to the front, by the projector, skirting the slowly expanding puddle of intern blood

Alison: We did a little analysis of the public mood after the last time this happened, and according to our predictions, the public reaction would be something like this:

A picture of Pablo Picasso's Guernica appears on the screen. The board collectively winces

Alison: For clarification, we would be the horse and all the screaming people. Our customer base from the PS3 would be the Nazi bombers.

Robert: So what you're saying is that we would risk long-term loss by releasing DLC only for the PC and Xbox?

Alison: I'm saying our customers would probably kill us. With bombers.

Robert: I see. Thank you Alison.

Alison returns to her seat, around the pool of intern blood. As she passes, the intern manages to raise his head

Intern: [Rasping] Please...please call an...an ambulance. I might...live if you do.

Robert: You're not paid to talk, dammit!

Intern: I'm not paid at all.

Robert: I know. Perfect system, right? Anyway, Psychic Sue, what would our stock predictions be if we released only for the PC and Xbox?

A woman dressed in the shawls and silks often associated with gypsy fortune tellers peers into the crystal ball before her, waving her hands above its surface

Psychic Sue: The seed of the prophet shall sit the throne and drown in flame the mountains of man.

Robert: For god's sake, you've been coming out with that all week. Much more of that and we're hiring Mystic Mike to make our stock predictions.

Psychic Sue: Mystic Mike's a goddamn hack!

Robert: Yeah, yeah, whatever you say. Anyway, Q'Vorthqulle, what's your take on the situation?

The ball of ethereal light hovering above one of the chairs changes colour and makes a deep pulsing noise. There is a round of nods across the board.

Robert: Good point well made. Out of interest, Vorthak the Despoiler, did you and your team down in marketing manage to work out any way we might market this that could play down public backlash?

He nods to a giant of man, covered from head to toe in spiked plate armour, adorned with chains and skulls. The handle of an immense battleaxe rests against the side of the table where it is leaning.

Vorthak: After much deliberation, we decided on two options. The first was a poster of myself with the caption 'Complaints about the lack of Skyrim DLC on the Playstation 3 will result in Vorthak the Despoiler crushing your puny skull like an eggshell with his mighty armoured fist!'. The second was a poster of a puppy with the caption; 'We're honestly very sorry about the Skyrim DLC not being availabe for the Playstation 3. Can you find it in your heart to forgive us.' Neither of those tested well with focus-group audiences, and most of them said the first poster just made them want to go home and cry for a while. We did note that an alternative run of the first poster where I don't have a shirt on did test very positively with a female audience, though.

Robert: So you can't find any way to allay complaints from the public, then?

Vorthak: [Standing and raising his axe] The only solution we found was that I ride out and TAKE THE HEADS OF ALL WHO COMPLAIN!!

Robert: Vorthak, please, no decapitation.

Vorthak: [Hangs his head and sits again] Aw, everybody says that.

Robert: Right, so does anyone have any ideas for how to release for PC and Xbox only that doesn't involve pissing off a lot of our customers? [Vorthak reaches for his axe] Or decapitating our customers? [Vorthak looks disappointed] No? Nobody?

Alison: It might prudent to move onto...[she adopts a shady look]...the next project.

Vorthak: She has a point. We've already got a four-second loop of abstract and obscure footage ready to release to help promote viral hype for...[he adopts a shady look]...the next project.

Steve: Guys, why are we all acting so shady about our release of-[Psychic Sue clamps a hand over his mouth]

Psychic Sue: We're not supposed to explicitly mention it until the protagonists have become aware of it, so that we've got a mystery to intrigue the audience with, you fool! Don't you know how these things are done?

Robert: Then it's decided; we finish Skyrim and move onto the development of...[he adopts a shady look]...the next project.

The scene fades to black as a chorus of evil, sinister laughter from the board slowly increases in volume. Over the screen comes the phrase 'THE END?'

Posted by: Kiln Apr 27 2013, 06:09 AM

Very vivid description of what I'm sure was a dead ringer for what actually happened at Bethsoft.

I also greatly appreciated the Bioshock reference.

Posted by: Kiln May 1 2013, 08:58 PM

I'm heartbroken that there won't be any more DLC. Guess Skyrim will have to join the other games in the "I've played them so much I can't play them anymore" bin and stay there since no future DLC will force me to dig it out again.

Posted by: King Of Beasts May 1 2013, 10:58 PM

Bethesda has gotta be playing with us. Watch them come out with some gigantic DLC, laugh in our faces, and say "Haha, we fooled ya!"

Posted by: Colonel Mustard May 2 2013, 11:59 AM

Well, Vorthak the Despoiler was recently featured in Businessman Weekly for his cutting-edge teambuilding techniques such as an office 'Pillageathon'.


Why would they do that? All that would get them is lost sales and angry customers. Say what you want about Bethesda, they're savvy businesspeople, and savvy enough not to do something like that.

Posted by: King Of Beasts May 2 2013, 02:50 PM

They lie to us a hell lot though, and say things aren't true when they really are, so for all we know, this next "big project" could be a gigantic skyrim DLC, and they're just trynna surprise us

Posted by: Colonel Mustard May 2 2013, 03:11 PM

Yes, but from a marketing perspective, that makes no sense. They wouldn't do something like that because it would lose them sales.

I appreciate that the idea of a large video game publisher showing some kind of awareness of their market is a difficult one to grasp considering the way most publishers act, but Bethesda generally display a great deal of awareness of gauging customer reactions and that sort of thing doesn't really seem their style. The best way to generate hype for a product would be to either announce or tease it, and saying that something is not going to be made in a way as definitive as Bethesda announced it only dampens potential interest; an announcement going "hah! Tricked you!" will probably only get the reaction of people being pissed off and not buying.

Posted by: King Of Beasts May 2 2013, 07:10 PM

It's not like Bethesda to just abandon a game though. They released what? three DLC's? No plug-ins or large expansion packs. They had bog plans for skyrim, and its not like bethesda to just abandon a bog project that they had so much hard work into!

Posted by: Colonel Mustard May 2 2013, 07:12 PM

Scroll up to see my 'The PS3 makes more DLC an unsound business strategy' argument which basically gives my theories on why they've given up on Skyrim DLC.

Posted by: King Of Beasts May 2 2013, 07:50 PM

I guess time can only tell wether or not Bethesda is being a douche and lying to us, or if they are really working on something new. Lets just wait.

Posted by: Kiln May 5 2013, 05:05 AM

Why are they making half of the DLC that they've made for several other games? Because they're charging double for it and don't need the revenue associated with dragging out the game with more DLC.

When they have surprise DLC coming they more or less say "we aren't announcing anything yet". In this case they've come right out and said that they're done and moving on to other projects.

Seems like closure to me. I wouldn't count on any more DLC.

Posted by: King Of Beasts May 5 2013, 05:10 AM

I'm still going to wait for them to either announce this new game, or another DLC.

Posted by: ImperialSnob May 6 2013, 12:52 PM

Already confirmed no more DLC.

It's not a DLC or a new game they just wanted to renew the liscense the to the name Redguard.

Posted by: Colonel Mustard May 6 2013, 01:15 PM

Kobby, face it. There's no more Skyrim DLC. Accept it and move on with your life; we will all miss it (well, I won't yet, I still haven't got round to buying any of the others, we will all mourn it, but you need to just let go.

Posted by: King Of Beasts May 6 2013, 01:51 PM

I'm starting to get over the shock. Besides, they said they're working on something big, so i'm expecting a large skyrim DLC or Fallout 4. Im sorta hoping for Fo4

Posted by: Renee Gade IV May 6 2013, 02:07 PM

"Kobby". What a cool nickname.

Posted by: ImperialSnob May 6 2013, 02:33 PM

They confirmed themselves that there will never be anymore Skyrim DLC.

Posted by: Kiln May 6 2013, 09:03 PM

Exactly. Time to accept that it just isn't happening KoB. The devs are done with it. Confirmation from Bethsoft has been had.

Their next "big project" is either going to be FO4 or the next TES game.

Posted by: ImperialSnob May 10 2013, 01:49 PM

To early for a new TES and sadly I believe they said "Guess again" to FO4.

Posted by: Colonel Mustard May 10 2013, 02:31 PM

My guessing is one of two things:

1) A remake/HD re-release of their old Redguard game (which would fit with the 'Redguard' copyright being renewed), possibly made as an 'expandalone' using Skyrim's engine assets
2) A new Wolfenstein game. Considering the teaser stuff Bethesda have been releasing, it's probably that.

Posted by: ImperialSnob May 10 2013, 06:10 PM

1)OH MY GOD PLEASE!

2)Why would a Wolfenstein game be called "Redguard"?,Also they already released a teaser trailer for the new one and I don't think Beth has anything to do with it but don't quote me on that.

Posted by: Colonel Mustard May 11 2013, 11:56 AM

Been confirmed on the Bethsoft UK Official channel: the project is http://www.youtube.com/user/BethesdaSoftworksUK?v=E6WZf8Ho0RM

Posted by: King Of Beasts May 11 2013, 04:39 PM

that looks pretty interesting. Might check it out...

Posted by: SubRosa May 11 2013, 05:11 PM

So who is this Peggy chick, who is apparently 18 years old? And why does Bethesda insist upon telling us about her at the beginning of their video?

That trailer looked more like a Mechwarrior game than a Wolfenstien game! I also have the impression that it is not-gameplay video. So once again Bethesda releases a trailer that shows us absolutely nothing about the game.

Posted by: Colonel Mustard May 12 2013, 03:37 PM

Well, what do you expect? It's an announcement trailer, and they almost never show gameplay; they're all about introducing the general concept of the game and so forth, and the gameplay trailers come later.

I, for one, look forward to shooting up Nazi robots in London. That looks like buckets of fun.

Posted by: SubRosa May 12 2013, 04:58 PM

I hate trailers that do not show the game, because they are useless. I am going to decide whether or not to buy a game based on what it the game itself looks like, and what it can do. Not based upon some Hollywood produced 2 minute movie that tells me absolutely nothing about what the game is really like. That would be like expecting someone to buy a car based upon an anime movie that does not even have the car in it. It is a complete waste of time. Instead of spending their money on something useless like that trailer, they could have hired on another person or two, or given everyone a raise. Or even *gasp* shown us some screens of the actual game itself!