Quick clarification, King Coin is right. NPCs in Fallout 3 were static, as well (in level and equipment sets).

As for not encountering certain enemies in certain areas, Oblivion did this, too through the use of encounter "sets" (for lack of better term). You had an animal set, an undead set, a bandit set, etc, and every set had their level and loot lists scaled to the player. In Fallout, the "set" usage remains largely unaltered, in that it still determines which actors will spawn where, (ghoul set, wasteland monster set, raider set, insect set, etc.) and all the creature sets (and yes, that includes the robots) are level-matched.

The major between the two are these:
-Static NPCs
-The loot lists are no longer scaled

That you can see Deathclaws at Level 1 in the game is simply because it makes more use of static spawns (which Oblivion had almost none).

This post has been edited by Thomas Kaira: Jan 21 2011, 03:50 AM

I was not arguing with what you said, I was describing encounters in Fallout 3 to Helena.

And I wasn't trying to argue back, I was just clarifying.

I've re-formatted the post to make it a bit less argumentative.

This post has been edited by Thomas Kaira: Jan 21 2011, 03:50 AM

I gotta be honest here I hope I'm amazed by this game but my hopes aren't set too high. I set my hopes pretty high for Oblivion and I was let down so I'm hoping that by not having much interest I can avoid disappointment if the game is extremely simple.

Simple gameplay mechanics (and the evidence does rather point that way) wouldn't be so bad if they make the game rich and full of clever and good quests. I found Oblivion, and to an extent Morrowind, could get a bit samey. Go there, get this, kill that, rinse, repeat. While the occasional quest really shone for imagination (the silent pilgrimidge in morrowind, sheogorath's quest in Ob). More of them and lots of juicy lore would make it a good game even if they wreak the level system.

There's no reason, barring lazyness and/or incompetance, that it shouldn't be lore rich and clever. Beth took a pounding over Oblivion and SI was better, they might well have learnt their lesson. If a complex level system turns poepple off a game then it's a pity but they do have to sell the thing.

Saying that I do really hope that there are required skill levels for advancing in guilds (or at least quests which are genuinly too hard to do without the higher skills). Head of the fighters guild at level 8 always seemed silly to me.

This post has been edited by Olen: Jan 21 2011, 09:39 PM

Wise man once said "Better to set your hopes low and be pleasantly surprised than to set them high and be let down."

That is why I am trying to look at things from a pessimistic view for this game, I don't want to go the same route as many did when Oblivion was released.

Have to agree with you on this. It was too easy to advance, the quests could be completed in minutes by low level players - and I do want quests that entail some thought, surprises, intrigue. I thought Oblivion had some excellent quests in it - but it had many (duh) quests too.

I liked all the hidden things in both the Elder Scrolls series and Fallout 3 (that were conspicuously absent in Fallout: New Vegas). That is one of the things I have always loved about Bethesda games is the little easter eggs they hide around to intrigue the player.

In Elder Scrolls I love the Lore and think it makes the game what it is in so many depths - like you said though, I have a fear they are going to try and reinvent the Lore (to match the books they put out last year maybe?)

The books they put out last year did not seem to gel at all with Lore, and that was an offense to me as they supposedly occurred just 50 years after the Oblivion crisis - and this story is supposed to take place 200 years after it. If they are throwing out the Lore, then it will no longer be Elder Scrolls-worthy, just a game put out by the same developers.

The AI does sound better with this new game engine, but I am nervous that (the new game engine) will be problematic. I have the worst feeling it is the same engine that Feargus (and crew) were building right at the time Interplay pulled the rug out from under Black Isles. The coincidence that Bethesda just worked with Feargus (and crew) on Fallout: New Vegas and suddenly popped up with a "Hand built by the developers and others" game engine - my fear is that it is the same engine.

That thought does make me nervous, especially in light of the wreck Obsidion made of Fallout: New Vegas, the DLC, and the Patches - all overloaded with game ending glitches.

Like you, I hope for the best and have my fingers and toes crossed that my five year wait for TESV was worth it - but have a certain amount of skepticism about it. From what we've been given to go on so far, I haven't found excitement building in me yet. Dragons that either we ride or they attack - it's played. Killing and eating Wooly Mammoth's or riding them - whatever. I never had that as any criteria for a game that I desired to play yet. So I hope in the next months they can come up with something a lot better to entice me than they have so far.

That said, I have pre-ordered the game for both the 360 and PC, so if I do get disappointed - it will be doubly so.

This post has been edited by mALX: Jan 22 2011, 01:43 AM

Well, I cried during the trailer (still do each time I see it) and cried while reserving it.... So I guess you could say I'm excited

I played Fallout 3 a little bit, not enough to judge whether it was good or bad, but I liked how it was. So the skill point thing I guess I'll just have to wait and see how they work out.

The only thing I dislike is the fact that you have to fight giant spiders I'm really arachnophobic so...

GAAAAH!!!! You mean bigger than the Daedric spiders with women's heads? GAAAAH !!!!!

I'd say it was women's heads and torsos. Let's face it, in addition to various other changes since Morrowind, Oblivion made the upper body differences between males and females far more discernable.

Yes I could tolerate the spider daedra by focusing on their face and torsos... but these... they're huge and hairy and so gross They're completely realistic looking -gag- They've even got the nasty spider mouths and eyes!!

This post has been edited by Jacki Dice: Jan 22 2011, 05:59 AM

GAAAAH!!! OMG, I will be like Cleo and the Zombie playing if spiders are going to attack me!

(Who is Cleo and the Zombie?) Watch this vid:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOYbfsvDDbM


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Lol!! I'm just going to have Wrothken fight them off for me I'll read a book or something. I just hope they don't make noises That would be even worse

Like a hissing noise, or maybe their eight feet will make a squishy noise when they step like Squidworthy on SpongeBob. GAAAAH! I can't stand spiders, the bigger they are the more I freak out. What if all you carry is a dagger? Oh, or if they burst out with hundreds of babies that chase you like the Daedric ones do sometimes - GAAAAH !!!

I'm looking forward to this, the use of the shouts could prove to be extremely interesting in ways to mix up the combat and even non-combat sections. Though I think using shouting as a persausion skill should be implemented anyway. "WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL ME? I AM WEARING A FULL SUIT OF THE ARMOUR OF HELL AND WAVING A CLAYMORE IN YOUR FACE!"...Ahem...anyway.

The loss of classes saddens me a little, I know a lot of people make their own, me included, but it was always fun to play through in the style and manner of a set class. Playing Morrowind as a monk and imagining my character slowly loosing his faith as he slowly realised his destiny was awesome!

Finally i'd like to see the skills get a little bit of a revamp in how they're earnt. Getting 4 different types of power attack really annoyed me in Oblivion. I'd rather get unique skills to use in combat, and I think it'd be more awesome if you got some based on multiple skills. For example, 50 and 50 in blocking and axes would get you a shield breaker attack, your skills with both items teach you how to try and hook the enemies shield and tear it away, perhaps even a greater chance of success based on your strength! 100/100 in shortblade and sneak lets you perform a silent throat cut on enemies if you're close range and they don't have a decent armor rating....

Anyway, my 2 cents.

Perhaps Vyper could be convinced to create a No Spider mod for Syrim, like this one he made for Oblivion?

I will probably do it myself, but I doubt I will get Skyrim right away. I'd rather wait for the GOTY edition a year later, and get it all patched and with its addons.

Ewww!!! That is my worst fear- spiders making noise Or bursting! Bleh!!




That would be amazing...but my computer is a POS and wouldn't be able to handle Skyrim

I know it will be hard for anyone that (quasi) knows me to believe - but it took me almost FIVE minutes to figure out what that meant, ROFL !!! (and I have a POS PC myself, ROFL !!

I get chills when I watch the trailer. No tears though lol.

I hate spiders too, but I hope to roast those them with a flamethrower spell while yelling "BUUUURRRN!" (continuous fire spells are going to be included)

WOO HOO !!! Now instead of burning my allies in quick bursts I can torch the living crap out of them with my bad aim !!! WOO HOO !!!