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| McBadgere |
 Jan 31 2013, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE I don't see the big issue here, Rob. It is only a second profile. I honestly do not believe that everyone should know about my dual identities, but I mentioned it anyways once and left it at that. People who read LL stories and my stories will know that we are the same people due to the writing styles and cameo characters, etc. Right, I missed the memo...I've got no problem with a second profile...I just don't understand the need to post a comment on the same chapter as both...As was proved...Not everyone knew... QUOTE Yes, we differ in our philosophies. Tremendously so, but I still respect you and those comments were nothing but simple pokes at you. My way of teasing with people I should say. So I apologize if it seemed anything beyond a simple joke. Since I know we into those tiresome debates about good vs evil, dark vs light and yadda yadda. Yes we do, that's what makes it fun sometimes...Sorry, if it was intended as nothing more than a simple poke, then I took it worse than was intended...Obviously...However, I tend to notice little things like that, I must have missed the inflection somehow... As I did in this... QUOTE(from yer slave story) I really hope you don't leave, Lady, since you are among the quality members in the forums. I do agree, some members(names will not be stated) that I tend to stray away from due to our perspectives on many things but the same cannot be said for all of them. People such as Jack, Colonel, Acadian and mALX are among the good guys! QUOTE In Colonel's story I posted two different reviews. I don't think there is a problem with that. But most of them are when he posts two chapters. I read one as DE, and the other as LL. Not an issue at all. Really?...Seriously?...You can't see how that's more than a little odd?... QUOTE I never lied to anyone. I didn't go out and say that I am not LL. But neither did I deny any comments people made about me. It's just not that big of an issue for me to try and write it all in a huge paragraph. I mentioned it once and if a person didn't read it, well, that's unfortunate. I for one am not going to be expecting everyone to know about it. No, I just forgot to quote the thing you initially put at the top, where you tried to wriggle out of it... Sorry, again, I don't understand it...Yes, writing under a nom-de-plume for some things, but commenting under the other, making it look like a completely different person?... QUOTE There is no internet/forum law that dictates each profile must be replied to in a certain way due to it being one person. It is not a big of a deal at all. No, that's right...But one person masquerading as another in certain places tends to get called fraud...And surely it's just polite to stick to interacting as just the one profile, in order that confusion by people who are happy to be your aquaintace be avoided?... And maybe it isn't to you...But it's a bit odd wherever you go... This post has been edited by McBadgere: Jan 31 2013, 02:23 PM |
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| Diamandis |
Jan 31 2013, 02:47 PM
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 Finder  Joined: 27-December 12 From: England |
Don't fight, guys
 you both have valid points in the argument/debate thing...Let's just smile and be happy I have dual profiles on the Bethesda forums: one which I use for Fallout forums and one which I use for my fanfics on there. I don't know why I do it, but I see them as two different worlds so it seems appropriate somehow. That being said, I do agree with McBadgere ONLY on the fact that it would be a bit confusing commenting on the same thread with the two profiles. Got nothing against it, I just understand his point. Okay... I've butted in enough. -------------------- Fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a vrey srtnage mnid, wchih si good bceasue I od ot :D
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| Uleni Athram |
Jan 31 2013, 03:18 PM
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Master  Joined: 19-September 11 From: From: From: From |
I created this account because people often miswrote my previous name. In one memorable event, I got called URINEastram, instead of the usual tongue-twister ureniastram. You could probably guess how I felt at that. Its still here in the Coffee Shop, I'd wager. You could search for it I guess.
-------------------- I wanna slap people and tell them I love them
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| Grits |
Jan 31 2013, 03:43 PM
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 Councilor Joined: 6-November 10 From: The Gold Coast |
QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Jan 31 2013, 07:44 AM)  I don't see the big issue here, Rob. It is only a second profile. I honestly do not believe that everyone should know about my dual identities, but I mentioned it anyways once and left it at that. You addressed this to Rob, but Im going to take the liberty of speaking up for myself since were here in the coffee shop. The big deal to me is the elaborate and deliberate deception you created by posting as two people. Im talking about replying to yourself and referring to yourself in posts as if you are two people. Thats a lie to me, plain and simple. You can go back and edit as many posts as you like in an effort to cover your tracks, but that still doesnt make it less of a deception. The other issue is credibility. Some of us here post genuine replies as if the other people here are in fact real people as opposed to personas. You are of course free to treat the whole forum as your personal RP if it suits you. Just as I have the option to be thoroughly disgusted when someone treats me, the person, like a toy in their private game. No one can be sure whats on another persons mind, even when they say what they say theyre thinking. But Ill give you this thought, just as it has come to my mind several times since the wisdom tooth discussion: Just how stupid does DELL think I am? And dont worry, Eva. I think we can disagree without being too disagreeable. -------------------- Jerric's Story * Darnandex * Screenshot: Cyrodiil Meadow |
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| Diamandis |
Jan 31 2013, 03:54 PM
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Finder Joined: 27-December 12 From: England |
QUOTE(Grits @ Jan 31 2013, 02:43 PM) The big deal to me is the elaborate and deliberate deception you created by posting as two people. Im talking about replying to yourself and referring to yourself in posts as if you are two people. Thats a lie to me, plain and simple. You can go back and edit as many posts as you like in an effort to cover your tracks, but that still doesnt make it less of a deception. Oh wait, I didn't understand at first that this is what was being done? It really doesn't bother me because i haven't been around long enough to garner an opinion, but I can understand where you're all coming from now. It's kind of abusing trust IMO, as now anyone could be anyone. Like (just an example) I could also have Grits as a profile and nobody would know apart from me. Obviously i'm not Grits (or am I?? ;-) haha) but I finally understand the whole deception thing. Just have the one profile dude. Saves on the confusion. -------------------- Fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a vrey srtnage mnid, wchih si good bceasue I od ot :D
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| Acadian |
Jan 31 2013, 05:15 PM
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Since this concern seems to be festering rather than fading, perhaps the airing of views may actually help to move beyond it. My humble two septims:
There are those here who quickly recognized the deception, since the writing of both profiles is with the same style, voice and distinctive pattern of errors. We are, after all, a community with many writers. . . . I suspect that this group rolled their eyes with annoyance and treated both profiles with some distance due to the deceit. Then there are those here who, due to wonderfully trusting natures, were in fact, deceived. I imagine they are quite unhappy and feel rather like their trust has been rewarded by being treated like pawns. This can be a warm and caring community, but the path to undo any damage here begins with an admission that this was indeed an elaborate, sustained deception and that people do not appreciate being deceived. Humility and a heartfelt apology, free of excuses or qualifiers, could then go a long way toward softening hearts. Discontinuing use of the second profile would be positive and concrete evidence that perhaps the valuable lessons that can be gleaned here have been learned. It is ironic that good judgment and wisdom can come from exercising bad judgment - if we learn from the experience. Who here has not made mistakes or poor choices on occasion? -------------------- |
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| Darkness Eternal |
Jan 31 2013, 06:54 PM
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 Master Joined: 10-June 11 From: Coldharbour |
QUOTE(McBadgere @ Jan 31 2013, 02:09 PM) QUOTE In Colonel's story I posted two different reviews. I don't think there is a problem with that. But most of them are when he posts two chapters. I read one as DE, and the other as LL. Not an issue at all. Really?...Seriously?...You can't see how that's more than a little odd?... Well, I believe odd is a matter of perspective. One person's odd is another person's normal  Plus, Colonel comments and read LL(my) story, so why shouldn't LL go ahead and comment on his own? It's only fair dues. QUOTE I never lied to anyone. I didn't go out and say that I am not LL. But neither did I deny any comments people made about me. It's just not that big of an issue for me to try and write it all in a huge paragraph. I mentioned it once and if a person didn't read it, well, that's unfortunate. I for one am not going to be expecting everyone to know about it. No, I just forgot to quote the thing you initially put at the top, where you tried to wriggle out of it... QUOTE Sorry, again, I don't understand it...Yes, writing under a nom-de-plume for some things, but commenting under the other, making it look like a completely different person?... If someone perceived it as a different profile, then it is not entirely my fault if they missed some of the facts that linked both profiles. QUOTE There is no internet/forum law that dictates each profile must be replied to in a certain way due to it being one person. It is not a big of a deal at all. No, that's right...But one person masquerading as another in certain places tends to get called fraud...And surely it's just polite to stick to interacting as just the one profile, in order that confusion by people who are happy to be your aquaintace be avoided?... And maybe it isn't to you...But it's a bit odd wherever you go... Masquerading is such a strong word. But there are other members here with two profiles, and you and they even mentioned it, yet to issue was raised. I simply didn't want to make a big fuss about it. To me, I didn't insult anyone, hurt anyone or did anything bad. All I did was create a second profile. QUOTE(Grits @ Jan 31 2013, 03:43 PM) The big deal to me is the elaborate and deliberate deception you created by posting as two people. Im talking about replying to yourself and referring to yourself in posts as if you are two people. Thats a lie to me, plain and simple. You can go back and edit as many posts as you like in an effort to cover your tracks, but that still doesnt make it less of a deception. The other issue is credibility. Some of us here post genuine replies as if the other people here are in fact real people as opposed to personas. You are of course free to treat the whole forum as your personal RP if it suits you. Just as I have the option to be thoroughly disgusted when someone treats me, the person, like a toy in their private game. Well, I do apologize if it seemed that way to you. You've seen my comment on King Coin's Aravi video thread with two profiles, but I didn't see much of an issue there. Since he reads both of my stories in different profiles, it wouldn't be fair if I commented on his with a single profile, would it? One of the reasons I created the second profile. Not to deliberately lie or deceive anyone, but create my own story on a seperate account. I wouldn't even have done it knowing it would create such a tumultous. QUOTE(Acadian @ Jan 31 2013, 05:15 PM) Since this concern seems to be festering rather than fading, perhaps the airing of views may actually help to move beyond it. My humble two septims: There are those here who quickly recognized the deception, since the writing of both profiles is with the same style, voice and distinctive pattern of errors. We are, after all, a community with many writers. . . . I suspect that this group rolled their eyes with annoyance and treated both profiles with some distance due to the deceit.[/quote[ Ah, well, you quickly knew my error patterns. But I did PM you once stating that all of the stories(including one on the seperate account) was mine. So no deception was there. QUOTE Then there are those here who, due to wonderfully trusting natures, were in fact, deceived. I imagine they are quite unhappy and feel rather like their trust has been rewarded by being treated like pawns. I believe they are, after what I've seen happen. Everyone is different. If I found out someoone with two profiles, it wouldn't bother me. I would shrug it off since it is no concern of mine if he's running around with two accounts. Unless he deliberately did something, as create a he-said and she-said scenario to cause chaos for other members, then it would be a problem. But I did it for the sake of having two accounts for safety issues and since I didn't want to overload one account with three different stories at once. People might overlook one for the other, etc. Again, I apologize. QUOTE This can be a warm and caring community, but the path to undo any damage here begins with an admission that this was indeed an elaborate, sustained deception and that people do not appreciate being deceived. Humility and a heartfelt apology, free of excuses or qualifiers, could then go a long way toward softening hearts. Discontinuing use of the second profile would be positive and concrete evidence that perhaps the valuable lessons that can be gleaned here have been learned. It is ironic that good judgment and wisdom can come from exercising bad judgment - if we learn from the experience. Who here has not made mistakes or poor choices on occasion? You are right. From the point of views of others, I truly have done wrong, so I take full responsibility for my actions. So I apologize gain and I admit that there was deception since the individuals in this matter were deceived, no doubt about it, and that none appreciate the lie. I will discontinue the second profile, and post all my stories in a single account only for the sake of avoiding further deception. You guys are friends, and none of you deserved this, so once again, I do apologize. It won't happen again. It is done. This fight is over. It would be wise for us not to continue this, since this is a community of friends instead of enemies. I would not want it to be worse than it already is. My reputation has been tarnished enough. This post has been edited by Darkness Eternal: Jan 31 2013, 07:03 PM -------------------- And yet I am, and live—like vapours tossed.
I long for scenes where man hath never trod A place where woman never smiled or wept There to abide with my Creator, God, And sleep as I in childhood sweetly slept, Untroubling and untroubled where I lie The grass below—above the vaulted sky.” |
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| McBadgere |
Jan 31 2013, 07:55 PM
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Councilor Joined: 21-October 11 |
*Nods*...Fair dues...
Done, my end of things... |
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| Darkness Eternal |
Jan 31 2013, 07:56 PM
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Master Joined: 10-June 11 From: Coldharbour |
Good. Now lets begin fresh, shall we?
Anything interesting going on people's lives right now? -------------------- And yet I am, and live—like vapours tossed.
I long for scenes where man hath never trod A place where woman never smiled or wept There to abide with my Creator, God, And sleep as I in childhood sweetly slept, Untroubling and untroubled where I lie The grass below—above the vaulted sky.” |
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| King Coin |
Jan 31 2013, 09:06 PM
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 Master Joined: 6-January 11 |
QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Jan 31 2013, 12:56 PM) Anything interesting going on people's lives right now? Just mucking around with various mods right now. Tried to get some unique werewolf textures, however the unique player path mod is buggy as hell and will not use other textures for some reason. -------------------- |
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| Elisabeth Hollow |
Jan 31 2013, 09:15 PM
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 Ancient  Joined: 15-November 12 From: Texas |
I wrestled a bear once.'
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| mALX |
Jan 31 2013, 09:25 PM
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 Ancient Joined: 14-March 10 From: Cyrodiil, the Wastelands, and BFE TN |
I saw a mud crab the other day. Nasty creatures!
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| King Of Beasts |
Jan 31 2013, 09:43 PM
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 Ancient Joined: 15-November 12 From: Imperial City,Cyrodiil |
Have you heard? That big galleon down at the Waterfront? Someone killed the captain! Right there on the ship!
My power went out!  HELP! This post has been edited by King Of Beasts: Jan 31 2013, 09:49 PM -------------------- Bruh ☠️
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| King Coin |
Jan 31 2013, 10:11 PM
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Master Joined: 6-January 11 |
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 31 2013, 02:43 PM) My power went out! HELP! It's all part of my master plan. :evilgrin: -------------------- |
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| McBadgere |
Jan 31 2013, 10:25 PM
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Councilor Joined: 21-October 11 |
QUOTE(mALX @ Jan 31 2013, 08:25 PM) I saw a mud crab the other day. Nasty creatures! As did I!!...But then I took an arrow in the knee...  ... |
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| PhonAntiPhon |
Jan 31 2013, 10:37 PM
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 Mouth  Joined: 27-August 12 From: Whiterun, central Skyrim. |
Interesting?
Well I work away all week but now I am home for a 4 day weekend with my wife, my bunny rabbit, and my parents. That's all good, in my book. -------------------- Settled in Breezehome - (Mostly)
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| King Of Beasts |
Jan 31 2013, 10:43 PM
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Ancient Joined: 15-November 12 From: Imperial City,Cyrodiil |
My power is back on
I hope it's stays in now.... -------------------- Bruh ☠️
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| Destri Melarg |
Jan 31 2013, 11:26 PM
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 Mouth Joined: 16-March 10 From: Rihad, Hammerfell |
Wow, busy in the Coffee Shop today!
QUOTE(McBadgere @ Jan 28 2013, 09:09 PM) QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Jan 26 2013, 01:58 AM) Ugh, I had four wisdom teeth pulled out yesterday. Gotta take out three more. I can't eat solid food, my face looks exactly like this guy. Which is funny because whenevr I get a text message, the ringtone is "giggitygiggitygiggitygiggitygiggitygiggitygoo! Hey pickup your phone, I'm all giggity-out over here." LMAO. But yeah, it sucks. Can't open my mouth all the way, my face is so swollen and it's friday. Friday! I can't go out and do SimplePickup when my face is bloated  /sigh. Well, I purchased my new PS3 so I guess I'll play Assassins Creed 3,, Farcry 3 and QUOTE(Lycanthropic Legend in mALX's story thread) AH!!! So I had my back teeth smashed into four pieces and ripped out of my gums. All four of them! And I got three more to go, so I haven't been able to truly dedicate my time in the forums, since I've been sleeping and playing video-games like a bum. Anyways, I am here and let the reading begin. Awww hell, there's an epidemic brewing!!!... QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Jan 29 2013, 09:30 AM) We are one in the same. I feel the pain QUOTE(McBadgere @ Jan 29 2013, 11:00 AM)  ...I'll bet you do... I was wondering what this was all about.  QUOTE(McBadgere @ Jan 30 2013, 08:11 PM) I merely enquire as to your prediction for that there Superbowl that the previous thread about Ray Lewis was alluding to... ...As a dyed-in-the-womb Cleveland Browns fan it pains me to say this but ... Ravens. QUOTE(mALX @ Jan 30 2013, 08:36 PM) Stephan got voted off Top Chef again tonight, lost it on a "Surf and Turf" this time. We TeeVoed Top Chef last night, but we havent seen it yet. Im still bummed that they booted Kristin before they booted Josie! The lovely Mrs. Melarg wont like the fact that Stefan is gone... hes her favorite (something about egotistic, acerbic men... go figure!  ).QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 30 2013, 08:55 PM) Well.....let's keep it at: I don't like him, he doesn't like me, and family meetings are a disaster when we bump heads  I feel your pain, KoB. I have an idiot brother-in-law too. QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jan 30 2013, 09:44 PM) Once I get the kinks worked out on the setting (Do I want it to be about me or a character, the age, etc etc) then I'll start. Glad to hear that your boss finally touched base. Must have made for an interesting shift, what with the not knowing. If you want a little advice on your proposed book then I would say that you should definitely come at it from the point of view of a character. Make her like you without being you. That way you can step outside of the first person to see the macro... instead of writing in the cocoon of your own head. Dont get me wrong, I dont mean that you shouldnt write the story in first person. The needs of the story will dictate the point of view. What Im saying is that, if you are the main character, then the tendency is to short change the other characters. The jerk eyeballing your chest probably has an interesting backstory too. Or not. _____ @ Darkness/Lycanthropic, McB, Eva, Grits, & Acadian - Um, interesting debate. Im glad that all views were aired and that the thing got resolved. -------------------- |
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| PhonAntiPhon |
Jan 31 2013, 11:40 PM
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Mouth Joined: 27-August 12 From: Whiterun, central Skyrim. |
Mind you trying to work out the tricky chapter 4 is proving interesting. I have to match it to the start of chapter 1.
Almost there... -------------------- Settled in Breezehome - (Mostly)
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| mALX |
Feb 1 2013, 12:51 AM
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Ancient Joined: 14-March 10 From: Cyrodiil, the Wastelands, and BFE TN |
QUOTE(Destri Melarg @ Jan 31 2013, 05:26 PM) QUOTE(mALX @ Jan 30 2013, 08:36 PM) Stephan got voted off Top Chef again tonight, lost it on a "Surf and Turf" this time. We TeeVoed Top Chef last night, but we havent seen it yet. Im still bummed that they booted Kristin before they booted Josie! The lovely Mrs. Melarg wont like the fact that Stefan is gone... hes her favorite (something about egotistic, acerbic men... go figure! ).Stephan is romantic, alway falls in love with at least one woman (per show, not per episode). He has an ego, yes - but in a German accent even ego sounds good. He is only acerbic with men, with women he is a kitty cat. Literally. I've heard him purr. And don't forget ... he can cook. This post has been edited by mALX: Feb 1 2013, 12:53 AM -------------------- |
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