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SubRosa |
Feb 8 2013, 07:35 PM
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Ancient

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The entire thing seems like such a blatant cash grab that I have serious reservations. While Lucas was a bad writer who hired a bad actor to be his leading man for Anakin, not to mention spawned the horror that is Jar Jar Binks, he at least loved the series. I do not believe that anyone at Disney gives a rat's behind about Star Wars, except in terms of how much money they can milk from it before tossing it in the waste bin.
Seeing JJ Abrams name on the first of the new movies does not fill me with confidence either. His version of Star Trek left me feeling meh. Red matter? Whose british boat did he pull that out of? Black holes that alternately act as portals through time, or destroy planets, depending what he wants for the plot at that particular moment? Oi! What sort of idiocy is he going to foist upon us with Star Wars?
Do not get me wrong. I think the Star Wars Expanded Universe has a lot to offer in terms of films and or a tv. show. It is a rich setting, with plenty of fascinating characters, places, and stories in it. I love The Clone Wars. It is just that my concern is the execution of it. Lucas did a poor job giving us the second trilogy of films, and it was his baby. I fear that Disney, who have no attachment to the series except for dollar signs, is going to make Lucas' second trilogy look like a masterpiece in comparison. OTOH take the Clone Wars, which I adore. Lucas oversees the entire thing from a high level, and folks who do the nuts and bolts making of the show like David Filoni are genuine Star Wars fans. These are people working on a labor of love, and the result has been pure excellence.
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mirocu |
Feb 8 2013, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE(McBadgere @ Feb 8 2013, 07:34 PM)  Ummm...Yeah...I kinda get where you're coming from...But...My kids love the newer ones...They'll sit there for the older ones, 'cause they're good...But they (espescially the boy) love the new ones as much as we love the older ones...
The new ones to them are like the old ones to us, I totally get that. But the new ones have in my eyes completely lost all mystery and charm and all thatīs left is tons of action and scientific explanation to everything. Btw I have all three original Star Wars in a sweet little box set 
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McBadgere |
Feb 8 2013, 11:08 PM
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Yes!...I got into his stuff from the Star Wars novels, but his other stuff is very excellent too!!...There's this one called Angelmass which is about a sentient Black Hole if I remember rightly; and then there's this other series called Conquerors summatorother...I think there was three of them...Pride, Heratige and Legacy?... Either way...Excellent stuff!... Most of my fave authors come from SW...Aaron Allston...Greg Keyes... Just watched NCIS...Excellent series...  ... Ziiiiiva...ZiiiIIIIIiivaah?!!...
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SubRosa |
Feb 8 2013, 11:15 PM
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Ancient

Joined: 14-March 10
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QUOTE(McBadgere @ Feb 8 2013, 03:11 PM)  Actually, I liked Abrams' Star Trek more than many of the original ones...Like he said in an interview, he wanted to make Trek like Wars...I really enjoyed it...Much more fun...
As for Filoni...Sorry, I was really enjoying Karen Traviss' version of the Mandalorians...Then Filoni starts on his ba$tarding where they come from and Traviss gets booted off all that work that she'd already put in...Oh, not much...Only NINE novels worth of background development...Language, culture etc...
And then...Then...He starts pissing about with Darth Maul?...He's a Zabrak...Like Eeth Koth...Says so in the DK visual dictionary...All official like...Oh nooooo, he's a male Dathomir witch!!...No...Go away...And take James Luceno with you...Ruined the EU between the pair of you...
I don't have a clue who Karen Traviss is, so I cannot comment on her version of Mandalorians. I did like how the Clone Wars portrayed Mandalore as a barren wasteland, that got that way from their war with the Jedi. I also liked how they showed Mandalorian society as being split between people striving for peace like the Duchess, and those who yearned for the good old days of slaughter like the Death Watch. To me that felt like a real society, with differing factions each possessing wildly different ideas of what was best of their world. I can also say that Darth Maul is a Zabrak in the Clone Wars. They stressed that in show. All the so called 'male witches' were Zabraks who just happened to live on Dathomir rather than their race's homeworld. This post has been edited by SubRosa: Feb 8 2013, 11:21 PM
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Darkness Eternal |
Feb 8 2013, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE(McBadgere @ Feb 8 2013, 07:18 PM)  While I'm massively up for some new Star Wars films...I was there the first time...Back when the damned film was called Star Wars...None of this A New Hope business...Star Wars, Empire, Jedi...Easy...It's all they'll ever be to me... Ummm... Yeah...While I'm up for new SW, I really think the stand alone ones'll be pushing the brand down somewhat...Yes, the new trilogy...Do that and then do the stand alone ones... And while I'm a fan of Temuera meself, methinks he's past his...Best years for it...May as well bring Jeremy Bullock back...  ... Wouldn't the one that played the young Boba be about the right age now?... Nah. It wouldn't make sense to add another Boba who is not Temuera. Because Temuera IS the face of Boba and Boba is a clone of Jango, who was played by Temuera. And of course all of the games that he helped in his voice acting is just too great to pass around to another actor. I do feel bad that Disney is making it. I would feel much better if, um, Christopher Nolan would make it . . .yes. . .that would be amazing. But they just might make it way too kid friendly.
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Darkness Eternal |
Feb 8 2013, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE(McBadgere @ Feb 8 2013, 09:11 PM)  Actually, I liked Abrams' Star Trek more than many of the original ones...Like he said in an interview, he wanted to make Trek like Wars...I really enjoyed it...Much more fun...
As for Filoni...Sorry, I was really enjoying Karen Traviss' version of the Mandalorians...Then Filoni starts on his ba$tarding where they come from and Traviss gets booted off all that work that she'd already put in...Oh, not much...Only NINE novels worth of background development...Language, culture etc...
And then...Then...He starts pissing about with Darth Maul?...He's a Zabrak...Like Eeth Koth...Says so in the DK visual dictionary...All official like...Oh nooooo, he's a male Dathomir witch!!...No...Go away...And take James Luceno with you...Ruined the EU between the pair of you...
Yep! I love Karin Traviss works! She villanized the Jedi and made Mandalorians heroes! WOOT! But Filoni doesn't honor EU. He never did do it that much. He killed off Master Pell in the series when he was was supposed to die years later after Order 66 came down. Adi Gallia was suppose to die at the hands of General Grievous, yet she was killed by Savage Oppress. Darth Maul is easily my favorite character next to Darth Tyranus, Darth Sidious and Darth Vader . . .and Darth Zannah and Darth Bane. Dasrth Maul IS a zabrak, that's his species though. He was supposed to be born in Iridonia. Yet it was retconned to Dathomir night brother. QUOTE(SubRosa @ Feb 8 2013, 11:15 PM)  QUOTE(McBadgere @ Feb 8 2013, 03:11 PM)  Actually, I liked Abrams' Star Trek more than many of the original ones...Like he said in an interview, he wanted to make Trek like Wars...I really enjoyed it...Much more fun...
As for Filoni...Sorry, I was really enjoying Karen Traviss' version of the Mandalorians...Then Filoni starts on his ba$tarding where they come from and Traviss gets booted off all that work that she'd already put in...Oh, not much...Only NINE novels worth of background development...Language, culture etc...
And then...Then...He starts pissing about with Darth Maul?...He's a Zabrak...Like Eeth Koth...Says so in the DK visual dictionary...All official like...Oh nooooo, he's a male Dathomir witch!!...No...Go away...And take James Luceno with you...Ruined the EU between the pair of you...
I don't have a clue who Karen Traviss is, so I cannot comment on her version of Mandalorians. I did like how the Clone Wars portrayed Mandalore as a barren wasteland, that got that way from their war with the Jedi. I also liked how they showed Mandalorian society as being split between people striving for peace like the Duchess, and those who yearned for the good old days of slaughter like the Death Watch. To me that felt like a real society, with differing factions each possessing wildly different ideas of what was best of their world. I can also say that Darth Maul is a Zabrak in the Clone Wars. They stressed that in show. All the so called 'male witches' were Zabraks who just happened to live on Dathomir rather than their race's homeworld. Death Watch is a terrorist group. You want real Mandalorians? Jango Fett was one who fought Death Watch before he became a bounty hunter. Karen stopped writing books because the Clone Wars television series contradicted her works, and of course, The Bearded One(George Lucas') word is law. Yep, agreed. Now anyone read Darth Plagueis? Amazing booK!
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McBadgere |
Feb 9 2013, 05:02 AM
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QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Feb 8 2013, 10:25 PM)  Nah. It wouldn't make sense to add another Boba who is not Temuera. Because Temuera IS the face of Boba and Boba is a clone of Jango, who was played by Temuera. And of course all of the games that he helped in his voice acting is just too great to pass around to another actor.
I do feel bad that Disney is making it. I would feel much better if, um, Christopher Nolan would make it . . .yes. . .that would be amazing. But they just might make it way too kid friendly.
Well, maybe if they used the voice at some point...But the man is 52 now...Give them a bit to start filming...I absolutley (and this is a shocker  ) agree with where you are on that, but I think they're gonna have to if the Boba Fett film - at least - rumour is true... And again, I can see the appeal of a Christopher Nolan film for him...The dark and gritty stuff would probably be a good thing...For once...  ... But, again...George made the films for kids in the first place...I'm not sure why everyone assumes differently... QUOTE Yep! I love Karin Traviss works! Good man!!... QUOTE She villanized the Jedi and made Mandalorians heroes! Yes, from a certain point of view, of course...  ... I also thought she did an amazing job with the clones series...I thought Skirata and those slightly insane Mega-clones were absolutely brilliant characters...I loved that whole series, and then the word came down that Lucasbooks had pulled the penultimate novel in the series because of what Filoni had done...  ...There was supposed to be two more novels... QUOTE WOOT! But Filoni doesn't honor EU. He never did do it that much. He killed off Master Pell in the series when he was was supposed to die years later after Order 66 came down. Adi Gallia was suppose to die at the hands of General Grievous, yet she was killed by Savage Oppress. Then what is he doing playing with Star Wars fiction in the first place? Lucasfilm had a department that used to go through all the fiction making sure that there were no glaring contradictions...They would alter anything that chimed with what was already published... QUOTE Darth Maul is easily my favorite character next to Darth Tyranus, Darth Sidious and Darth Vader . . .and Darth Zannah and Darth Bane... This, is not a great shocker old mate... QUOTE Darth Maul IS a zabrak, that's his species though. He was supposed to be born in Iridonia. Yet it was retconned to Dathomir night brother. This is just stupid...It's just Filoni and Hayden Blackmon (or whatever his surname is) going "Nooo, the EU will be ours!! OURS!! BWAHAHAHAAA!"... QUOTE(The Subrosa of excellence) I can also say that Darth Maul is a Zabrak in the Clone Wars. They stressed that in show. All the so called 'male witches' were Zabraks who just happened to live on Dathomir rather than their race's homeworld. I apologise, I do sometimes forget that even with three people watching it here (I'm usually in work when it's on) that they do manage to miss that entire bit of info...*Shakes head*...I was just greeted with "Darth Maul is back and they've made him a male Dathomir witch!!"...And I'm like, *shaking head*...So, fair enough...It's not right, but at least they've not gone where I believed... QUOTE(Subrosa the cool) I don't have a clue who Karen Traviss is, so I cannot comment on her version of Mandalorians. I did like how the Clone Wars portrayed Mandalore as a barren wasteland, that got that way from their war with the Jedi. I also liked how they showed Mandalorian society as being split between people striving for peace like the Duchess, and those who yearned for the good old days of slaughter like the Death Watch. To me that felt like a real society, with differing factions each possessing wildly different ideas of what was best of their world. I genuinely believe that out of all of the SW writers, Karen Traviss gives the most heart into a book...The emotional depth is amazing...I genuinely believe she deserves a hell of a lot more attention than she gets... There was this amazing sequence of books where one of Han and Leia's twins went to the dark side and proclaimed himself Emperor - steady DE!! - it was a triple hander written by Aaron Allston, Traviss and Troy Denning...Nine books (not the ones I was on about) written in the order I wrote the authors...Allston and Traviss' novels were amazing...Denning's first was...Alright, his second was pretty good...I've never bought the last book in the series...He utterly destroys all that Traviss had built up with the Mandalorians up to that point...And I think that's utterly rude...And, between the fact that they keep hiring him and James Luceno to write is the entire reason I've given up on Star Wars novels...At one point, I would buy a new novel pretty much without knowing the title, though knowing I would enjoy it... Um...I did have a point once...Oh yes, I'm 100% convinced that you'd enjoy Traviss' version more...Simply because it's far better...The novelisation of The Clone Wars film is amazing, manages to flesh the film out until it has a proper story!... This post has been edited by McBadgere: Feb 9 2013, 06:22 AM
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McBadgere |
Feb 9 2013, 06:03 PM
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We all went to see Wreck It Ralph this morning... Excellent film!!...Seeing all the game cameos was fun... I love Q-bert!!...  ...Awwwww...
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SubRosa |
Feb 9 2013, 07:14 PM
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Ancient

Joined: 14-March 10
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QUOTE(McBadgere @ Feb 8 2013, 11:02 PM)  But, again...George made the films for kids in the first place...I'm not sure why everyone assumes differently...
This is true, not just of the second trilogy, but the first as well (does anyone remember Ewoks?). QUOTE(McBadgere @ Feb 8 2013, 11:02 PM)  There was this amazing sequence of books where one of Han and Leia's twins went to the dark side and proclaimed himself Emperor - steady DE!! - it was a triple hander written by Aaron Allston, Traviss and Troy Denning...Nine books (not the ones I was on about) written in the order I wrote the authors...Allston and Traviss' novels were amazing...Denning's first was...Alright, his second was pretty good...I've never bought the last book in the series...He utterly destroys all that Traviss had built up with the Mandalorians up to that point...And I think that's utterly rude...And, between the fact that they keep hiring him and James Luceno to write is the entire reason I've given up on Star Wars novels...At one point, I would buy a new novel pretty much without knowing the title, though knowing I would enjoy it...
Um...I did have a point once...Oh yes, I'm 100% convinced that you'd enjoy Traviss' version more...Simply because it's far better...The novelisation of The Clone Wars film is amazing, manages to flesh the film out until it has a proper story!...
It does sound interesting, and quite a massive undertaking! I stopped reading the Star Wars books a long time ago though. I think my last one was the X-Wing Squadron series with Wedge and Corran Harn.Eventually I just got tired of it, and wanted to read something else. I never have time for much reading anymore, between work and trying to write and trying (and failing) to keep up with the things others write here. I am still trying to finish Thomas Fleming's Liberty, about the American Revolution, which I started two or three months ago.
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McBadgere |
Feb 9 2013, 10:35 PM
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Personally speaking, while I will admit that it's as unlikely as a Jar Jar solo film (  ), my vague hope is for an X-Wing film with Wedge/Corran etc...Hell, if everyone else can dream etc...  ... Aaaamywho... We just watched Captain America...Damned fine film...I loved it!!...Possibly my fave of the pre-Avengers films...*Applauds*...
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Kiln |
Feb 9 2013, 11:06 PM
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Star Wars should never have been handed over to Disney. They plan to release one every few years now more or less indefinitely.
Basically, they're going to make Star Wars movies until they quit selling. Which means expect the Star Wars saga to be saturated with ridiculous half baked sequels to the point that nobody wants to watch them anymore.
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Elisabeth Hollow |
Feb 10 2013, 07:53 AM
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QUOTE(McBadgere @ Feb 9 2013, 03:35 PM)  Personally speaking, while I will admit that it's as unlikely as a Jar Jar solo film (  ), my vague hope is for an X-Wing film with Wedge/Corran etc...Hell, if everyone else can dream etc...  ... Aaaamywho... We just watched Captain America...Damned fine film...I loved it!!...Possibly my fave of the pre-Avengers films...*Applauds*... UNF, Captain America... Whew. Lemma calm down for a sec... XD -fans self- I've always been a huge fan of underdogs. Someone who has stood up for himself and others even when they know they can't win. it's just...amazing. And I find it extremely attractive. It helps that Chris Evans played CA though lol
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McBadgere |
Feb 10 2013, 07:23 PM
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It's a busy weekend for films this one...Robert's eyes may be a little squarer... Today we went to see the zombie romance flick, Warm Bodies...Which was a lot better than I was expecting...I actually really enjoyed it... Not overly one thing or the other, but was funny enough, scary enough (the Bonies are pretty menacing)...Sweet enough...Nah, pretty good film really...  ...
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McBadgere |
Feb 17 2013, 05:45 AM
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We went to see "This Is 40" which I wasn't entirely sold on, but then turned out to be one of the funniest things I've seen...For many reasons... Not least because that's my next one up...  ...
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