That's not living in the past. Thats not having ownership of the very things you purchase. "Licensing agreements" has got to be the biggest racket from corporations since the railroads used too pay their workers in 'scrip' that they exchanged for food and basic ammenities, resulting in these workers actually ending up in debt to theiremployers.

I can mod my car, but I can't mod my XBox?

Steam is just another form of control that the Matrix has put you under NeoSnob. You can play offline, but you can't play it without online registration. Amd like the Matrix people will die to defend their masters wihout ever knowing they were slaves.

This post has been edited by Black Hand: Jul 12 2013, 03:44 PM

Quit livin in a world that controls your gaming, youngster!

-mirocu goes back the past, but not to play the shi**y games that suck a**-

OMG YOUR ALL SO PARANOID!

"OH VALVE ARE GONNA TAKE AWAY MY GAMES"

"OH THE GOVERMENT IS SPYING ON ME"

"OH THE ILLUMINATI ARE GONNA BRAINWASH MY CHILDREN"

If Valve don't make enough money, they'll go out of business, and the games will stop working, because the servers won't be running to give out permission. It's the fact that the games are built that way that annoys us, especially the way we're considered guilty of piracy until we can prove our innocence.

I'll never buy a game that requires Steam, either. Or an always-online console, or anything like that.

This post has been edited by ghastley: Jul 12 2013, 04:41 PM

Valve......not making enough money.....ha.....haha.....HAHAHAHAAMUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

THIS! 100% agreement with you.

And in many cases follow the shepherd down any trail he leads because they don't realize the power they hold as a united front to change these trends. If a big enough bite comes out of sales, companies will listen.

(Case in point = Microsoft XBox division trying to say that people would not be allowed to play used games on their products anymore. By the end of E3 AND before the product was even available for sale they realized what a huge mistake they were making and reneged on all their statements about that).

I wouldn't be able to play games at all if it weren't for used games.

Oh yes Impy, large corporations never make horrendous choices that cause their bidnezzez to crumble :-P

You are young still. I shall remain silent and hold my 'I told you so.'

EDITED, sorry on phone. It gets reaaalllyyy slow when I type...

This post has been edited by Black Hand: Jul 13 2013, 12:53 AM

And let's not forget - Valve may be making big money now. But what about in ten years? Twenty? Thirty? IDK about you, but I'd like to be able to play my games long after they come out. (I still play some classics every now and then - thank god for DOSbox, I say) And the market in *anything* related to computers changes sooo quickly that even without horrendous decisions I'm not sure I'd bet on Valve still being around in a few decades' time.

This post has been edited by Kazaera: Jul 12 2013, 08:32 PM

And the problem with Steam/Always online console isn't just from the side of the company. Internet is not a stable and sure thing, no matter how much people want to believe it is. I had a powercable break and needed to wait a week or so for a replacement. (Which was also broken, so yeah I wasn't happy with my provider.)


This left me completely out of luck. No internet, no tv, no phone. I've got a few Steam games, even though I don't like Steam. It's got offline mode, so I should be fine, right? Well no I wasn't. After a few days Steam decided to erase my 'login information' and just whine that I have to access internet to unlock it. Of course, when I got internet back, it just logged in automatically and proved that the lack of information was a grand lie.


So yeah, long story short. Valve goes down, you're screwed. Internet goes down, you're screwed. Got one of them fancy 'have to log in on our server every x days or we perma-lock your game and call you a dirty pirate' drm, you're totally screwed.




Back on topic. I'm not playing much at the moment. Mostly waiting for Starbound/Dragon's Crown I suppose.

You can laugh all you want, but the truth is that companies do go under, and if those companies are hosting games that cannot be played by people unless they can get onto servers which have become defunct, then people will not be able to play those games.
If I buy a game I want to be able to play it even if the company that made it has long since disappeared into the ocean. Increasingly it seems, or at least the perception is, that that paradigm is no longer cogent.
You can put as many capital letters in your post as you like, but it is a truth...

I just think always online is a ripoff because the company retains control over your game. You don't actually own your own game, you just get the priviledge of playing the game that you have to be connected to their service to even enjoy.

Companies come and go. If STEAM is out of business in 20 years your game will be a worthless piece of plastic because you can't connect to their server.

I'm sorry but if I fork over $60-70, I want complete control over that game. It is my property that I should be able to play on my terms. If the phone lines go down I still would like to be able to use the product I paid for.

+1
Sorry for the double entry here but this makes a lot if sense.

This is what I don't like about it.

I tolerate Steam because it's that or no Skyrim.

Respectfully, that does not mean that they are *not* out to get you.



Respectfully, they do hold the right to do as such, in the fine print.



Respectfully, they are. Every text you send, every character you type, every call you make, every time you use skype, no matter what country you live in, it is being stored and can be retrieved at any time. Snowden revealed it. Nobody denied it. Because they could not.



WHAT?! WHO TOLD YOU THAT?! Oh...I mean, haha! Of cooouurrsse they don't! Because we,...they, do not exist. (Prepare the Sedative/Laxative Tranquilizer Dart!!)

Buy an Xbox360. It is the only real benefit to consoles. So far my $60 plastic disks belong to me and not another company.

Yes, that is the one good thing about a current console. Still, I do not want to play on a 360. I can't give up the mods! They make it worth tolerating Steam.


Anyways I started playing League of Legends again after a long absence from the game.

This post has been edited by King Coin: Jul 13 2013, 01:07 AM

THIS! Absolutely, and excellently put too.






Love the way you put this, agreed agreed!

WALKING DEAD GAME IS AMAZING GET IT NOW.

EXPECT DON'T GET THE ACTIVISION FPS THAT IS FULL OF WASTED POTENTIAL!

p.s.Valve will always have enough money.

p.p.s Gaben is the man bubba.

p.p.p.s Haters to da left,Lovers to da right,coz son you don't wanna fight,naw you don't wanna fight.

This post has been edited by ImperialSnob: Jul 13 2013, 02:21 PM