Lets be fair here though, the NSA does have a much larger budget. Paid for of course by the citizens of the United States.

Yes I am among the ones being gouged by my own government and having my money redistributed among non working members of the population and massive organizations that are used to spy on virtually everyone "for the good of the people".

Frankly, I subscribe to the old saying that those who would trade personal liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither. Unfortunately no single citizen can dictate what his government does with the money he is forced to pay for the privilege to be spied on.

I think Pop-Up Video back in '97 had a tidbit of info saying the Intelligence Community suspected 74% of the population was involved in 'clandestine' operations.




Benjamin Franklin, 177-something.

Full agreement.

The country was founded by progressive thinking probably some-form-of-autism, definitely philandering, philosophical, war-mongerin', self-startin', unashamedly agnostic, intellectual freethinkers.

John Hancock's signature was the middle finger of his day.

And what are we doing now?

The exact same thing King George was.

Taking away our civil rights under an increasingly despotic police state.

Hey, you're encouraging revolution!

No. I love this country and the principles it was founded under, but isn't acting on. I *AM* saying get your heads out of your butts and maybe things won't look so crappy. I *AM* saying that if you keep this up, it just might come to it, and suddenly we're all under martial law 'for our protection'.

I really don't want *any* of that to happen.

Speaking of people abusing another's privacy and noses poking into other people's business; has anyone seen Colonel Mustard? He disappeared the end of June, haven't seen him on here since.

I haven't. I've been wondering the same.

Nope. Haven't seen him. Hope he's okay....

He hasn't posted in even longer than that as well.

I think it was April or May he last posted.

I ate him.

All jokes aside, I've wondered this as well. Not normal for him to just poof out of nowhere.

I've never seen him take an extended break from here either, nor to drop off without a forewarning (unless he gave one and I missed it).

"We're worried about you, Mustard!" *hope he is okay.*

Almost all the jokes are aside, because I think we discussed this not too long ago. He's been charged with the murder of Mr. Body, with the lead pipe, in the ballroom...

Now, all jokes aside...I do hope that the military condiment is doing fine...vacationing somewhere on a nice warm beach...

The founding fathers were very intelligent. I'm sure that if they were to travel forward in time and see us now, they'd be ashamed. We've allowed ourselves to become cattle for the government, which is exactly what they sought to protect us from, having just fought a successful revolution at the time against a king that they considered tyrannical.

The founders set up a system of checks and balances that were supposed to keep the people in control and not allow them to be victims of a massive government. Unfortunately it seems that people in that very government have been hard at work finding loopholes or straight out ignoring parts of the constitution in order to basically do whatever they want.

People have been too wrapped up in their own lives to even notice, for the most part. There's always time for diplomacy. Things are not beyond repair, yet.

It´s never too late for a rebellion. Because if every citizen turns against the government, it´s really nothing they can do. But then everyone needs to wake up...

Well,yeah expect,guns and bombs.

If [censored] goes down,goverments are willing to make a point even by taking out a small number of "rebels".

Although everyone should just chillax,put on some tunes,open a window and just not care about the world man,take it easy broshif,broski,jabroski,and when someone says something bad just be all like "What eves man" and quote my main man Doug from The Walking Dead "Atleast we got our health."

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There isn´t enough guns in the world to hold back all of us.

Well there's 3 problems here.

1.NSA gonna get ya for planing this rebel uprising.

2.Not everyone would get together,some people either like/don't care about the goverment

3.There's enough bombs and nukes though.

The thing is that open rebellion or fighting would be really bad here in the USA. Imagine a giant war with millions of people shooting inside of cities all across America. Some would choose to fight for the government and some against. Civil wars are extremely destructive to the population and infrastructure. Look at Syria for a good example and their war is on a much smaller scale. Sure eventually the government would probably be overthrown but by that point there wouldn't be much left worth fighting over.

Even the founding fathers of this country tried to get things accomplished through diplomacy first. They used every legal facet open to them to try to resolve their issues with the crown peacefully. If only enough Americans would wake up, we could take back the country peacefully. The truth is that the government can only get away with what the citizens let them get away with. If enough people actually cared about the NSA's spying or the massive amount of military spending then things could get on track to repair, unfortunately it seems that too many people are completely and possibly willfully ignorant about what is going on in their own government.

Probably. Better to die standing, then live on my knees.



Unfortunately, very true. A trait that has been subtly encouraged and implemented over the years.




Yes. But what is the point? Heard of a pyrrhic victory. Government wins; no one left to govern. The Bad Luck Brian of the international community.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy is what it is. There's a few nutjobs here and there, but really nothing that would threaten the stability of the country.

But then, the country becomes so fearful of it's own stability, and afraid that the peasants are gonna revolt, that they repeat histories mistakes and become overbearing with this paranoia, and implement blanket surveillance, and becomes the very thing is was supposed to guard against.

Had there just been trust and clarity between what was once not intended to be seperate, 'Of the People, By the People, and For the People' this paranoia would not exist in the first place.

It's the classic case of the cheating lover accusing the partner of infidelity, when they've done nothing wrong.

Listen dude,just chillax,put your feet up and just take a big breath and chill dude.

And yet it's so very eloquent an argument in its presentation, I am genuinely in awe of the clever people here...

And indeed, the argument I've had down the years with the "I'm gonna kill everyone and RUUULE" stuff that goes on...Who exactly are you going to rule?...

Well they aren't gonna kill EVERYONE,just a bit of people then everyone will be all like,"Oh shoot let's not do that again".