Have to second this, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is a bloody good show. Shame there's no more episodes until the New Year. You'd think they'd finish making it before they go putting it on TV, but apparently not.

Anyway, just been watching some Firefly.

*Sings badly*

The hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne!

Percy Jackson and the Sea of Monsters. Not bad. I need to reread the books.

We're on series (! ) 6 of Magnum now...We saw the first of the two parter with Francesca Annis and Peter "5th Doctor" Davison in...Much better than the last few of the previous series...Urgh...

We also saw that little Hobbit film over the weekend...It was really rather good... ...

Love it! Magneto is my favorite superhero next to the Punisher(not super, but a marvel hero)

Magneto is a bad guy in my World.... and in the X-men World....

On the topic of superhero/antihero thingies in movies, my personal fav is Spawn. Can´t really beat what he can do

Fights for Mutants rights is heroic! Killing Nazi's is heroic

I never understood much about Spawn, but I did watch that movie with him and that funny fat clown.

Martin Sheen is awesome, right!??

Well, Spawn is pretty much unkillable, save from severing his head. He can teleport, fly and conjure up weapons (blades, chainsaw chains etc) from his own body. That is some serious stuff!

I am into Season Six of Magnum PI. Just finished up the Hotel Dick last night. I am glad to say that the quality of episodes has improved once more.



Maggie's a good guy or bad guy depending very much upon your point of view. From his point of view he is fighting a war to save his race from enslavement and genocide at the hands of humans. That is what I like about his character. While humans (and some mutants), see him as a villain, he certainly does not. The biggest difference between him and Prof X is that Magneto has survived one genocide, and Xavier did not. Having experienced the darkest side of human behavior, Magneto is no longer able to imagine them capable of anything else. Where Xavier sees humanity's potential for goodness, and still hopes that humans can overcome their bigotry.

That was one of the things I liked about X-Men First Class; that dynamic between two different sides of the spectra, and ones that were almost too extreme for either end. Professor X seems too trusting and hopeful for the human raise, while Magneto seems too cynical; they're both kind of right and wrong at the same time, and it what makes the two of them work so well in a story.

This is how I see it too

I always saw Magneto as fighting more for mutant supremacy than anything else. For instance in the first X-Men film, when at the start he says to Xavier "We are the future Charles, not them. They no longer matter." I have a hard time seeing Magneto as anything but the villain, albeit a highly principled one.



Ugh, I despised everything about First Class, from the continuity cluster**** that it was to the screwup with Magneto. With the first X-Men film Magneto's motivation makes sense; he's seen what humanity could do through prejudice over genetic variation. So his response, while extreme, does at least make sense.

With First Class however, that goes out the window. Sure, there's still the Nazi side, but pretty much everything bad that happened to Magneto was done by a fellow mutant. Shaw killed his mother right in front of him, to force him to demonstrate his ability. Magneto then dedicated his life to hunting down Shaw and getting revenge, not against Nazi's in general, but against Shaw. So it's personal for him, not opposition to the general ideology of the Nazis, but Shaw specifically.

So how does it make any sense that at the end of the film he takes up the very philosophy of mutant supremacy that drove Shaw? If anything the fact of what Shaw did should have pushed Magneto to work with Xavier, rather than what, inspiring him?

Ugh, abominable film.

Found this on youtube.

Now, if a man ever did what she did, he´d get lawsuits up the [censored] and beyond!

This post has been edited by mirocu: Dec 19 2013, 11:50 PM

Mutant Supremacy and Mutant Survival are one in the same to Magneto. He cannot imagine a world in which humans will allow mutants to exist. Hence mutants must destroy humans. It's the old "you are either one of us or one of them" mind set. One which was created by watching how it was impossible for anyone to just get along with the Nazis. You either destroyed them or they destroyed you. What I find really ironic (and brilliant writing) is that in his quest to save his people from a new form of Nazis - homo sapiens - he has become a Nazi himself.

It would be very easy to paint Maggie as a simple bad guy. He started out that way in the comic books. He was as one-dimensional a villain as you could get in X-Men #1. Though back then nobody really had much depth. Like the rest of the Mutant-verse in Marvel, he got more depth as they explored anti-mutant prejudice. Then we began to see that unlike the Nazis - who had no real reason to fear that the Jews were going to wipe them from existence - mutants do have good reason to fear humans. If you ever read the Days of Future Past storyline in the X-men comics you saw what is coming - mutants being hunted down by Sentinels and put in concentration camps. Whether that future was actually averted in the comics, or simply delayed, has never been confirmed. Then the comics gave us Genosha, an island nation where it did happen. In that light Magneto can be seen as a soldier fighting a war. And just like soldiers fighting in wars that are considered justified, such as that against the Nazis or Japanese, Maggie is willing to do some nasty things. Like firebombing cities and slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people in one night, just as the Allies did time and time again to win.

What I think that makes him most interesting, is what if Magneto is right? Is he still a villain when he was the one who tried to stop that future? Wouldn't that make Xavier the bad guy, because with all of his ideals he helped humanity survive, so that they could go on to repress and destroy mutants? Just as Neville Chamberlin promised peace for our time? Or is the final irony that Magneto's anti-human crusade is what ultimately creates the future he so desperately is trying to prevent? We will just never know, and that ambiguity is what makes him so interesting.

So I don't think Magneto is a simple anything. He's powerful and he's got an ideology he's willing to kill for. Just like a lot of people who can be called heroes and villains in the real world. I am not saying he isn't a villain. But I am not saying he is either. Like a lot of real people just like him, those labels all depend upon one's point of view.

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Dec 20 2013, 04:31 AM

Wow...Fair dues...*Applauds heartily*...

Also, you were right about Magnum...The second part of the Deja Vu story was excellent, and the part of the T.C. story I caught at break last night, that they'll repeat this morning for us to watch tonight...Keeping up?... ...Anyways, it looks like it'll be a good 'un too...

I've never read the comics, but I did watch the old cartoons from the early nineties, back before they started screwing with them to make more and more series of them. They covered Genosha and The Sentinels, so I'm not just going on the films. So I could be a little off on this:

Personally I don't think the whole Nazi side works too well with Magneto. In the old cartoons it was just a war, albeit a particularly bad one where the losing side didn't quit. Which was what set him off on the "war is inevitable" side. Without the whole genetics angle the Nazi's add Magneto makes more sense, in my opinion. Without the Nazi's he's not repeating mistakes of the past. I just think it works better.

I get his mindset, and I think that's what makes him a villain for me. There's no tolerance, no room for anything save his vision. If changes were made and mutants were accepted, so in other words if Xavier was right, I think Magneto would still keep going with his crusade. For him it can only end in war, and only victory will accomplish anything. It does make him a somewhat tragic figure though, if he's right he'll prove to be the salvation of all mutants. If he's wrong he'll lead them to their destruction.

And if the future does unfold as Magneto predicts, I wouldn't really say that makes Xavier the bad guy for championing peaceful co-existence. It just means he failed, and considering the number of times Magneto and Xavier clash, it seems likely that Magneto would be responsible for that failure, in part at least.

I definitely wouldn't call him a simple villain though. And there's nothing better than a villain who could easily be right.

Roll on Days of Future Past. hopefully we'll get some proper Magneto, not the overgrown moody teen from First Class.

I think Proper Awesomeness is one of the DC superheros!

I am slipping behind on Magnum. The last one I saw was the Hotel Dick. I have not gotten to the Deja Vu one yet. I think that might be next. Nope, I did see it! That was the season opener. That one was nice in that we got to see London and some of the English countryside (though it would have been better to see Cardiff and the Welsh countryside ). But it just felt wrong not being in Hawaii. The Islands really are a character in Magnum PI. The mountains, the beaches, the ocean sunsets. Their absence really struck me.

I did see The Colony last night. It was a decent post-apocalyptic cannibal movie. Nothing dramatic though. It was reassuring to know that even after a world-wide apocalypse there will be plenty of makeup and hair care products for us to use though, as the main characters all looked really nice.

I also finally saw The Wolverine. Like the first Wolverine movie, it was nothing special. I guess the only way to get a truly outstanding X-Men universe movie you have to hire Bryan Singer to direct. I did like that they made Logan vulnerable for much of the movie. Bullets actually hurt him. You would think he would learn to get out of their way after a while though. Also, in a lot of the fight scenes he looked like a clumsy oaf compared to the Japanese folks around him. Maybe that was on purpose. I am sure it was meant to be that way in the fight with Shingen, who just completely owned Logan in that sword fight. Logan only lived, and won, because of his healing power. I think that is why he originally let Shingen go.

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Dec 20 2013, 05:34 PM

Oh, Wolverine...we just couldn't get past the continuity glitches in the dinner scene at the cabin...Magic Chopsticks™ anyone?...

Amywho...ITV4 are on a break, it seems...After tonight's T.C. episode they've gone back to the pilot episode...And the plot info stuff on the tele says all the ones next week are early first seas series ones...Mind you, we didn't see all of them when they were on the first time, so we may do them...

Hopefully it's back to normal after this festive period...

I enjoyed the Deja Vu ones because it was Magnum in proper clothes for once...Mind you, the Higgins and Peter Davison scenes were also a joy...We love Peter Davison...Technically he's my Doctor...As he was Tennant's...

It was also a bit cliché England™ too...But we'll forgive you colonials that... ...

Although, Rick and T.C. were completely wasted in it...I'd sooner not see them at all than have them being wasted the way they are...

Watching Dead in Tombstone. Danny Trejo is Proper Awesome™!

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Dec 24 2013, 01:46 AM

ITV4 are showing some Magnum episodes out of order...So we got the one where a Mau-Mau was hunting all the former soldiers who massacred a village in Kenya...Not the worst episode ever...

Also, we watched the Patrick Stewart version of A Christmas Carol the other day...Christmas tradition ahoy!!...I do love watching that version...Always makes me laugh....

Anyways...We watched Scrooged yesterday!!...(Seeing a theme here?)...That's proper funny that is... ...Carol Kane... ...Yes please!!...It's one of the few films where we always leave the credits to the end, just 'cause of the extended version of the song!!...(Put A Little Love In Your Heart - Annie Lennox and Al Green...)...Fantastic film!!...

Today we've got the '70s musical version to do!!...Oh, and Splash is on too!!!...Ooooh...Daryl Hannah... ...