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Callidus Thorn |
Jan 3 2014, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 05:49 PM) Don't question my beliefs And don't go all science guy on me Okay then, I'll give you a non-science reason whi a zombie apocalypse is impossible: There have been far too many movies, books, and videogames about them for anyone to be dumb enough to try fiddling around with that sort of thing
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Jan 3 2014, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 3 2014, 05:52 PM) QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 05:49 PM) Don't question my beliefs And don't go all science guy on me Okay then, I'll give you a non-science reason whi a zombie apocalypse is impossible: There have been far too many movies, books, and videogames about them for anyone to be dumb enough to try fiddling around with that sort of thing Hehe, it's true. I'm beginning to hope for a zombie movie about an outbreak that gets stamped out because everyone is too genre savvy for the end of the world.
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King Of Beasts |
Jan 3 2014, 06:55 PM
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Ahem. Read This. I can give you plenty of more proof it's a POSSIBILITY.
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Callidus Thorn |
Jan 3 2014, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(Colonel Mustard @ Jan 3 2014, 05:54 PM) QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 3 2014, 05:52 PM) QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 05:49 PM) Don't question my beliefs And don't go all science guy on me Okay then, I'll give you a non-science reason whi a zombie apocalypse is impossible: There have been far too many movies, books, and videogames about them for anyone to be dumb enough to try fiddling around with that sort of thing Hehe, it's true. I'm beginning to hope for a zombie movie about an outbreak that gets stamped out because everyone is too genre savvy for the end of the world. Now that would be hilarious. It'd have to be an action comedy of course, but still... QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 05:55 PM) Ahem. Read This. I can give you plenty of more proof it's a POSSIBILITY. Ahem, from that article, when they're talking about rabies: "Now if only it kept the corpse walking around" This is the big hurdle that you can't really cross. You've got to fundamentally rewrite biology to allow dead cells to continue to function, without anything to sustain them. It just can't happen.
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Vital |
Jan 3 2014, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 4 2014, 05:00 AM) QUOTE(Colonel Mustard @ Jan 3 2014, 05:54 PM) QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 3 2014, 05:52 PM) QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 05:49 PM) Don't question my beliefs And don't go all science guy on me Okay then, I'll give you a non-science reason whi a zombie apocalypse is impossible: There have been far too many movies, books, and videogames about them for anyone to be dumb enough to try fiddling around with that sort of thing Hehe, it's true. I'm beginning to hope for a zombie movie about an outbreak that gets stamped out because everyone is too genre savvy for the end of the world. Now that would be hilarious. It'd have to be an action comedy of course, but still... QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 05:55 PM) Ahem. Read This. I can give you plenty of more proof it's a POSSIBILITY. Ahem, from that article, when they're talking about rabies: "Now if only it kept the corpse walking around" This is the big hurdle that you can't really cross. You've got to fundamentally rewrite biology to allow dead cells to continue to function, without anything to sustain them. It just can't happen. I guess that's the danger of it. If we thought it were possible then we'd take much more precaution and constantly be looking out for it. As it seems completely illogical we don't expect it, therefore it would catch us off guard if some super bug developed. Off course crazy flesh eating humans are scary, undead or not. The world can stay zombie free for me
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King Of Beasts |
Jan 3 2014, 07:10 PM
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Joined: 15-November 12
From: Imperial City,Cyrodiil
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QUOTE Ahem, from that article, when they're talking about rabies:
"Now if only it kept the corpse walking around"
This is the big hurdle that you can't really cross. You've got to fundamentally rewrite biology to allow dead cells to continue to function, without anything to sustain them. It just can't happen. I don't believe in corpses walking around. That's just not possible, a deteriorating body wouldn't be any use, or danger. I do believe in a virus outbreak that could cause zombie-like behavior in humans and animals. Id Imgine a zombie outbreak happening more like what happened in I Am Legend. There's also a rumor of a virus called LQP-79. It's supposedly government created. Remember, the government lives to hide things from us. For all we know they could have a real "zombie" or a person infected with a similar disease that causes zombie-like behavior. Look at This . Not sure if you've heard of that incident. This guy supposedly was on a drug called bath salts. And they supposedly have found out he was actually infected by a government created virus that causes deterioration of brain tissue and induces cannibalistic behavior in the infected.
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Callidus Thorn |
Jan 3 2014, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE(Vital @ Jan 3 2014, 06:06 PM) I guess that's the danger of it. If we thought it were possible then we'd take much more precaution and constantly be looking out for it. As it seems completely illogical we don't expect it, therefore it would catch us off guard if some super bug developed. Off course crazy flesh eating humans are scary, undead or not. The world can stay zombie free for me QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 06:10 PM) QUOTE Ahem, from that article, when they're talking about rabies:
"Now if only it kept the corpse walking around"
This is the big hurdle that you can't really cross. You've got to fundamentally rewrite biology to allow dead cells to continue to function, without anything to sustain them. It just can't happen. I don't believe in corpses walking around. That's just not possible, a deteriorating body wouldn't be any use, or danger. I do believe in a virus outbreak that could cause zombie-like behavior in humans and animals. Id Imgine a zombie outbreak happening more like what happened in I Am Legend. There's also a rumor of a virus called LQP-79. It's supposedly government created. Remember, the government lives to hide things from us. For all we know they could have a real "zombie" or a person infected with a similar disease that causes zombie-like behavior. Look at This . Not sure if you've heard of that incident. This guy supposedly was on a drug called bath salts. And they supposedly have found out he was actually infected by a government created virus that causes deterioration of brain tissue and induces cannibalistic behavior in the infected. The problem with the whole zombie apocalypse caused by experimentation idea is that, anything that could do it would never make it past the testing phase. They'd test it on mice or something, get zombie mice, and the plug gets pulled on the whole project. As for the article and the virus, the key word there is "supposedly". There's a good deal of it in that article. The biggest question of course is "why would anyone actually try to create a virus that does that?" That virus thing there has all the hallmarks of a conspiracy theory, and just as much credibility.
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King Of Beasts |
Jan 3 2014, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE The problem with the whole zombie apocalypse caused by experimentation idea is that, anything that could do it would never make it past the testing phase. They'd test it on mice or something, get zombie mice, and the plug gets pulled on the whole project.
As for the article and the virus, the key word there is "supposedly". There's a good deal of it in that article. The biggest question of course is "why would anyone actually try to create a virus that does that?" That virus thing there has all the hallmarks of a conspiracy theory, and just as much credibility. Who knows why the government would do that. The government keeps stuff from us all the time. Possible alien sightings, possible zombie creations. And remember, even if they were to experiment on an animal, and it were to create a zombie like virus, things can go wrong. The tested animal could have infected someone or a group of people, and the government is keeping it quiet so nobody panicked. The experiment could've gone well at first, like in I am legend, but turned out with bad side effects after it was too late to do anything about it. I'm not staying there's a solid 100 percent chance a zombie apocalypse will happen, I'm saying it's possible. Other viruses could mutate, something could go wrong in a government lab. Nature is a natural killer, and we tamper with it too much. We could create untreatable diseases and viruses, if it doesn't occur naturally. I mean, just look at This fungus infecting ants. All natural. Nature could create a virus, or possibly fungus, that causes cannibalistic behavior, and has has the urge to spread. If the government doesn't create it, nature might. You can't truly rule out the possibility of a deadly virus outbreak like that.
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Vital |
Jan 3 2014, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 4 2014, 05:31 AM) QUOTE The problem with the whole zombie apocalypse caused by experimentation idea is that, anything that could do it would never make it past the testing phase. They'd test it on mice or something, get zombie mice, and the plug gets pulled on the whole project.
As for the article and the virus, the key word there is "supposedly". There's a good deal of it in that article. The biggest question of course is "why would anyone actually try to create a virus that does that?" That virus thing there has all the hallmarks of a conspiracy theory, and just as much credibility. Who knows why the government would do that. The government keeps stuff from us all the time. Possible alien sightings, possible zombie creations. And remember, even if they were to experiment on an animal, and it were to create a zombie like virus, things can go wrong. The tested animal could have infected someone or a group of people, and the government is keeping it quiet so nobody panicked. The experiment could've gone well at first, like in I am legend, but turned out with bad side effects after it was too late to do anything about it. I'm not staying there's a solid 100 percent chance a zombie apocalypse will happen, I'm saying it's possible. Other viruses could mutate, something could go wrong in a government lab. Nature is a natural killer, and we tamper with it too much. We could create untreatable diseases and viruses, if it doesn't occur naturally. I mean, just look at This fungus infecting ants. All natural. Nature could create a virus, or possibly fungus, that causes cannibalistic behavior, and has has the urge to spread. If the government doesn't create it, nature might. You can't truly rule out the possibility of a deadly virus outbreak like that. I think the ps3 game "The Last of Us" was based on the fungus. It had mutated to grow on humans and turn them into zombie-like creatures. The spores were highly contagious which made it really dangerous
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Callidus Thorn |
Jan 3 2014, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 06:31 PM) Who knows why the government would do that. The government keeps stuff from us all the time. Possible alien sightings, possible zombie creations.
They always have a reason for it, but creating a virus that turns people into cannibals? What exactly is that supposed to accomplish? QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 06:31 PM) And remember, even if they were to experiment on an animal, and it were to create a zombie like virus, things can go wrong.
The tested animal could have infected someone or a group of people, and the government is keeping it quiet so nobody panicked.
The experiment could've gone well at first, like in I am legend, but turned out with bad side effects after it was too late to do anything about it.
I'm not staying there's a solid 100 percent chance a zombie apocalypse will happen, I'm saying it's possible. Other viruses could mutate, something could go wrong in a government lab.
Except said lab would have at least a dozen safeguards preventing it from getting out. And this is the standard protocols used since they were creating biological weapons and fiddling with smallpox, likely beefed up and refined. So how exactly is it supposed to get out? Because that's something that's always glossed over: Resident Evil (the movie) for some reason the AI was completely unable to get a message outside of the facility? Thus forcing them to go in to find out what happened? or I Am Legend; I don't think they explained how it got out either, but I only saw that film once years ago. For it to get out "something" does not have to go wrong. EVERYTHING has to go wrong. Every safeguard and security measure needs to fail, right down to failing to lock down the facility in question. QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 06:31 PM) Nature is a natural killer, and we tamper with it too much. We could create untreatable diseases and viruses, if it doesn't occur naturally. I mean, just look at This fungus infecting ants. All natural. Nature could create a virus, or possibly fungus, that causes cannibalistic behavior, and has has the urge to spread. If the government doesn't create it, nature might. You can't truly rule out the possibility of a deadly virus outbreak like that. It's not just a question of could it spread, but whether or not it could be stopped. And frankly, I don't see anything to suggest it couldn't be. For it to be able to be unstoppable it would have to be both highly contagious among humans and become airborne, either of which would require vast amounts of mutation, the most likely outcome of which is the virus simply breaking down because of all that mutation.
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King Of Beasts |
Jan 3 2014, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE I think the ps3 game "The Last of Us" was based on the fungus. It had mutated to grow on humans and turn them into zombie-like creatures. The spores were highly contagious which made it really dangerous I wanna play that game so bad but I don't have a ps3 lol I definitely think it is possible for a fungus or virus like that one to mutate to the point where it affects humans. We shouldn't COMPLETELY rule out the possibility of it. This post has been edited by King Of Beasts: Jan 3 2014, 08:34 PM
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Callidus Thorn |
Jan 3 2014, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 06:48 PM) I definitely think it is possible for a fungus or virus like that one to mutate to the point where it affects humans. We shouldn't COMPLETELY rule out the possibility of it.
It might be able to, but I don't see how it could do it quickly enough for it to become a serious problem. It couldn't mutate that drastically, or that rapidly. Here's a human parallel: It'd be like a child being born with an immune system so strong it's immune to disease, is three times as strong and smart as average, and has an additional pair of arms, as well as wings. And that's a child with two normal human parents. Maybe over the course of a century or so it could become possible, but without constant exposure to humans? Forget about it. And if it has constant exposure to humans, it wouldn't take people by surprise, because it would be found, investigated, or simply quarantined. QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 06:48 PM) Oh, in I am legend some lady created the cure for cancer, and the cure ended up turning people into blood thirsty monsters
See, that's the sort if thing I was talking about when I said it wouldn't get past the test phase.
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Vital |
Jan 3 2014, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 4 2014, 05:48 AM) QUOTE I think the ps3 game "The Last of Us" was based on the fungus. It had mutated to grow on humans and turn them into zombie-like creatures. The spores were highly contagious which made it really dangerous I wanna play that game so bad but I don't have a ps3 lol I definitely think it is possible for a fungus or virus like that one to mutate to the point where it affects humans. We shouldn't COMPLETELY rule out the possibility of it. Oh, in I am legend some lady created the cure for cancer, and the cure ended up turning people into blood thirsty monsters Me too lol, ive only got an xbox I agree, it seems like one of the more likely causes. Off course it isn't likely that it would evolve straight from affecting ants to affecting humans, other animals would probably become susceptible to it first.
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King Of Beasts |
Jan 3 2014, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE It might be able to, but I don't see how it could do it quickly enough for it to become a serious problem. It couldn't mutate that drastically, or that rapidly. Here's a human parallel: It'd be like a child being born with an immune system so strong it's immune to disease, is three times as strong and smart as average, and has an additional pair of arms, as well as wings. And that's a child with two normal human parents. Maybe over the course of a century or so it could become possible, but without constant exposure to humans? Forget about it. And if it has constant exposure to humans, it wouldn't take people by surprise, because it would be found, investigated, or simply quarantined. If there has been viruses that have killed thousands of people in a matter of months, there's a chance there could be a virus or fungus break-out that induces cannibalistic behavior in humans, and spreads rapidly. This post has been edited by King Of Beasts: Jan 3 2014, 08:06 PM
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SubRosa |
Jan 3 2014, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 01:48 PM) Oh, in I am legend some lady created the cure for cancer, and the cure ended up turning people into blood thirsty monsters
No, they were using sharks to find a cure for cancer (and IRL, sharks appear to be immune to cancer). But the sharks got smart, and killed everyone. Here is actual footage QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 02:05 PM) QUOTE It might be able to, but I don't see how it could do it quickly enough for it to become a serious problem. It couldn't mutate that drastically, or that rapidly. Here's a human parallel: It'd be like a child being born with an immune system so strong it's immune to disease, is three times as strong and smart as average, and has an additional pair of arms, as well as wings. And that's a child with two normal human parents. Maybe over the course of a century or so it could become possible, but without constant exposure to humans? Forget about it. And if it has constant exposure to humans, it wouldn't take people by surprise, because it would be found, investigated, or simply quarantined. If there has been viruses that have killed thousands of people in a matter of months, there's a chance there could be a virus or fungus break-out that induces cannibalistic behavior in humans, and spreads rapidly. The influenza pandemic of 1918 killed more people than all of World War I. It spread across the globe, and killed from 50 - 100 million people. The main problem with zombie like diseases is that nothing in nature works as fast as they do in the movies. Typically in a matter of seconds to minutes someone who is bitten becomes a zombie. It takes a lot longer for RL viruses to propagate and destroy a victim's immune system. However, there are parasites IRL that control the behavior of their hosts. But even they do not do it the speed you see in a zombie movie. TBH, I think the real zombie scenario is not from a zombie disease but rather from technology. Sooner or later nanotechnology is going to become a reality. When it does everyone will have millions of tiny machines roaming around inside their bodies, healing injuries, fixing birth defects, etc... It would not be a big step until those little machines would also be able to physically manipulate a person's body. Either by entering the brain and literally creating new neural connections, or by simply sending out the right electrical/chemical impulses to control muscle movements. Whoever controlled those machines, would control every living person on the world. Instant zombies. Chemical weapons are another contender. All it takes is a chemical that prevents the human brain from creating serotonin and people will become rage monsters. It has already been done on mice. There is really very little difference between mice and humans - apparently there are only 300 genes different between the two species. That is why mice are used as test subjects. I am sure lots of people are working on ways to do it to humans. This post has been edited by SubRosa: Jan 3 2014, 08:35 PM
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mirocu |
Jan 3 2014, 09:31 PM
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Zombies? *brings out Winchester shotgun* -clack-clack-Lock and load QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 3 2014, 08:30 PM) I am sure lots of people are working on ways to do it to humans.
Im sure they already have that weapon. Only question is when theyre gonna release it and what silly excuse for the outbreak theyll have on the news. This post has been edited by mirocu: Jan 3 2014, 09:35 PM
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Callidus Thorn |
Jan 3 2014, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 08:31 PM) Zombies? *brings out Winchester shotgun* -clack-clack-Lock and load Loki's Twisted Scrotum! (Nope, I never get tired of saying that :lol) You too?
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Callidus Thorn |
Jan 3 2014, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 08:37 PM) Me too? The whole zombie apocalypse thing. Don't tell me you think it could happen too:O
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