1.Yeah it did, and it was cool when it did when it expanded upon the Galactic Committee stuff..

2.Fixed That For You(he's in his 20's), and well I can't disagree with that, if he was "Will kill children, he's that evil" Anikin instead of Whining Anikin it would of been even better.

1. Considering he had 4,000 years of events to play with, events new to those who'd only seen the original films, rehashing what we already knew really wasn't necessary.

2. Chronologically, he might have been in his twenties. Emotionally he was still an ugly ball of teen angst. His fall to the dark side was basically him brooding on his anger issues, coupled with Palpatine filling in for the missing father figure.

He was actually a far better character in the books set during the clone wars than in the films they were spawned from...


Edit: And on that note, I think it's time for me to call it a night.

Later.

This post has been edited by Callidus Thorn: Apr 5 2014, 10:52 PM

1. Yes, because everyone knew about that stuff, because everyone has read all the books and everyone went in-depth into the lore...oh...wait.

Okay, one last post, then I'm outta here.



Kind of my point. Provide those who haven't read all the books with something actually new to them, rather than a rehash of what was already known. There was so much that he could have based the films on, without needing anymore explanation than accompanied the original Star Wars films.

But that would have forced Lucas to acknowledge something other than his own work. Hence the prequels.

But it wasn't already know.

Is this a Star Wars argument??

Yeah.

This post has been edited by ImperialSnob: Apr 5 2014, 11:51 PM

Thanks for the puns, y'all XD

Anakin's rise to the Dark Side wasn't just because of his angst with his love issues alone thought that was the primary factor that instigating him becoming the Sith Lord. It was because of a number of things happening to the Jedi Order and the Council specifically, who showed themselves to be a bunch of hypocrites. Having already flirted with the Dark Side of the Force, he was more prone to turning to the other side.

You have a young man who's been away from all that he knew for years. He's been far away from his mother ever since he was taken at the age of eight. He comes back, on his own free will I must add due to a vision of her dying, to see her. He only finds her broken body and her in her last moments. She was a slave her entire life before she was freed, and now she's dead. At least she saw Anakin. But how did that make him feel? Well, he butchered a bunch of men, women and children responsible for it. Still . . . his dream was to see his mother freed, and that was taken away from him. Being fatherless, his mother was the best thing that happened to him and now she's gone.

Padme comes along, and Anakin falls in love. When visions of her dying begin to surface, he does what needs to be done. He wants nothing more than to save her. Mind you during before that he's already planning on leaving the Jedi Order as a result of his secret marriage that we all know was forbidden. But when he gets the visions, he wants to fix it. He wants to turn things around and not allow his nightmares to come to pass like it did with his mother, because all that he has now in his life is Padme. So after all he's done with for Jedi and all he's done for the Republic, he expects to be granted mastery, as it would give him access to the holocrons that only a Jedi Master has access to.

We know he's not given the rank of master, and that is what drives him into the path of anger. He already dislikes Mace Windu due to his coldness and attitude towards him. He doesn't like Yoda because Yoda wasn't always in favor of his training. The entire Jedi Council was against it. And that denial of mastery was plainly like a slap in the face. So the only person helping Anakin up onto this point was Palpatine and Obi-Wan.

Palpatine tells the story of Darth Plagueis, the Sith Lord who could cheat death. Palpatine temps Anakin, and Anakin becomes Darth Vader after Mace Windu tried to assassinate Palpatine for being a Sith Lord. He goes on a killing spree after he became a full-fledged Sith. He serves his new master by killing the new enemies of the Republic, which are the Jedi. Both men, women and even the children(who could grow to become a threat for the newborn Empire) were executed. Darth Vader then goes and slaughters the Seperatists leaders to mark an end to the war. He believes he's a Hero. And he is, to the side of the Sith.

"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil."

"There are heroes on both sides."- Episode III opening crawl.

Basically, Darth Vader lost faith in the people he served. And when transforming into a Sith, an individual consumed by the Dark Side that accepts no mercy, shows no pity and has a no-nonsense attitude to peace, he goes onto believing what he is doing is right . . . to save the woman he love. But in the end, because of that rage and anger, he killed her. Its ironic. Just like the story of Darth Plagueis. He could save others from death but not himself. Anakin feared his wife's death so much that he did everything in his power to try and prevent that vision from coming to pass, when in fact it was because of his efforts and his turn to the Dark Side that she died. Its a great story, and an epic tragic tale. The reason the movie wasn't good because it didn't capture the entire feel of it. Thankfully the EU did.

Speaking of Clone Wars, this is the best thing that's happened to that cartoon. Hands down. Always was a fan of Darth Maul. I squealed like a fanboy.

What I liked about the expanded story of Star Wars was that it changed the conflict of the Jedi and Sith from a fairy-tale 'Good vs. Evil' black and white thing, to becoming almost entirely grey.

Now, it's been *years* since I've read up on a lot of of this, so I can't quote sources; per se, and I *will* get a few things wrong.

But, basically, after the whole discovery of Ashala and the discussion and organization on Tython, a sect of force-users came out that incorporated negative feelings into the training. The 'good' guys disagreed and said that they had to stop.

They said no.

The 'good guys' said, okay...let's fight about it. A bloody conflict ensued and the survivors were exiled.

Then after the exile they were rediscovered a couple ages later, (not Freedon Nad, or the Planet with the Sith Academy Ruins in KOTOR) and yep...the good guys went into a full-on war of what really was a genocidal manuever.

So...the early sect that weren't the Jedi...yet, forced the other sect who weren't Sith...yet, to *fully* embrace the Dark Side for the most basic of motivations: Survival. Casted a whole new light on the whole Jedi/Sith thing for me.

Tangent over.

Yep. I could quote Darth Vader, Sidious, Maul, Bane, Yuthura Ban and countless others and get into a huge epic wall of text of information supporting the fictional Sith belief . . . but I'll add one quote to sum it all up.

"Evil is a word used by the ignorant. The dark side is about survival. It glorifies the strength of the individual."-Darth Zannah.

Not that you don't tend to lean one way rather than the other or anything... ...

Personally, I think Anakin was a victim of George's inability to write...And the novel makes a hell of a lot more sense than the film...

And on that, the novel series went downhill when they repeatedly hired cheap George-Yes-Men type novelists to write a succession of boring novels...And repeatedly gave them the last novel of the sequence to ruin, what had been to that point, decent stories...

And James Luceno is now in charge of them...Crap...Just crap...Aaaand now Aaron Allston is dead there's very little chance I'll be bothering again...

Until J.J. Abrams film comes out, of course... ...

Still talking about Star Wars?

Oh dear whateveryouchoosetobelieveinsinceIdon´twannasayanynamebecauseIsupposeI´llgetshot
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Let's just agree to disagree because I've just gotten out of bed, but I still disagree about that being the best thing to happen to the Clone Wars.

The Magnificent Seven episode was AWESOME!

You wanna talk NES instead, Impy?

I dunno, 'pose.

Well I´m waiting for the game that´s gonna finish off my big collecting spree I got myself into I will get a few more I played as a kid but not until I get a job, and I won´t get more rare games just because they´re rare.

I´m expecting it next week and hopefully it´ll all be ok

Cool.

Not sure I´m getting the sleeve for the game, but I get the box, manual and the comic book which is awesome!

I´m gonna go all AVGN on that cart...

Interestingly enough the Sith, the actual Sith species, came to the Dark Side entirely apart from the Dark Jedi who later conquered Korriban after being exiled from the Republic. They had an encounter with the Rakata, and found their own way to the Dark Side. Ironically the Sith had the opposite problem to what would in time become the Jedi Order: a civil war with those who rejected the Dark Side. And this was before the Dark Jedi turned up

After the Great Hyperspace War, started by the Sith in what was essentially a power-play 5,000 years before the Battle of Yavin, the Republic virtually annihilated the Sith.

The way I see it, the Jedi might be more grey than white, but the Sith are a stark black.

All this based off recollection and this Wookiepedia page: Sith Empire

Also worth checking out: First Great Schism(really not pro-jedi), and Hundred-Year Darkness The latter expands on what you mentioned above, the First Great Schism, but it's when those exiles came back to annihilate those who exiled them three years later. It's worth noting that even at the end of the conflict, the jedi had them exiled rather than executed.