Uh oh. Guess that NFL subscription's going the way of the dinosaur.

This post has been edited by Renee Gade IV: Apr 24 2014, 03:21 PM

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Nah...It's just there are so many things that could be excellent, and stuff that I'd probably love...

But also...Too many reviewers going "Yeah, it's good...But...These are better..."...And I can't risk the money...

McWife pointed out the achievements problem...That she would be annoyed if she earned a trophy for something but it was all on my account... ...Plus, say McWife or McBoy is playing, but because somewhere it says "Robert is online" and Grits goes "Hell yeah!!" and jumps over to where "I" am...

Well, she might!... ...PS4 buddies and all that!...

McWife will possibly not want to play...McBoy may be all "Who the?!!"...Etc etc...

So we're back to the four subscription thing again...It's not going to happen until it's free forever...It's a shame, but I shan't lose sleep over it... ...

I dunno. NFL + Male = is a combination that No Man May Tear Asunder...



If I was into MMOs, I would be still thinking the same thing. The reviews are so ho-hum about it, that it squelches any excitement I have over it being an new Elder Scrolls game. Even if it was a single player game, I would hold off on buying it. I held off on Skyrim for many months, and kind of wish I had waited longer, just so that there would have fewer bugs to deal with when I started playing. Not to mention more mods to fix the things that Bethesda cannot be bothered to ever do anything about, like blocky face textures. But with ESO, there are no mods to fix most of the big bugs. The most you can do is mod the interface to make it more user-friendly. Tbh, I do not think I would ever want to buy an Elder Scrolls game I could not mod. They create wonderful, gigantic open worlds to play in, and give us the chance to play a character of any gender and a ton of different races. But their coding ability - and quality control - is very lacking.

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Apr 24 2014, 07:38 PM

MMO launches always come with a lot of bugs. I like to think of it as launch month being the real open beta test for an MMO.

ESO, however, had it worse than most other MMOs, being rife with progression-blocking bugs in quests primarily. And those are the kind of bugs you don't want, as the entire population is out there leveling. Some people enjoy this and level slowly, but others want to max out their level quickly and get to the endgame (which for ESO is when you achieve Vet level 10 and complete all the quests in all the faction zones). The latter tend to also be rather vocal when issues arise, of which ESO is filled with them, to the point where lots of well-published people are warning people off from the game. Not a good launch.

I don't think ZOS quite had a handle on how many problems were still left in the game when they launched the PC release. Either that or they wanted for the PC gamers to get most of the big stuff over with before they moved the game over to the consoles.

Either way, I refuse to play the game in the state it is in now, and will still be apprehensive about buying it even when most of the bugs are ironed out simply because they are charging so much for this game. Subscription games I am much more critical of because if I am going to be paying that kind of money, the developers had better make the time I am buying worth it. Anything that makes me want to play less I do not tolerate.

This post has been edited by Thomas Kaira: Apr 24 2014, 10:50 PM

What are Vet levels?

Wait... Complete all the quests in all the faction zones?

Eh... These MMOs are funny...

Once you hit player level 50, you will start gaining Veteran levels. There are 10 total, and once you have done that (pretty much requires you to do all the leveling quests in the entire game) your character is at max level.

Getting a character to max level pretty much means you have committed to the game and will be sticking around for a long time. Most quitters quit before they even reach endgame.

Endgame in an MMO is A: when you get at least 1 character to max level, and B: you have completed all the content designed to get him to that max level. At this point your interest will be to progress your character as far as possible based on how the game progression is designed and to experience all of the content designed for max level players. ESO is vertically progressing MMO right now, where your goal will be to make your character as powerful as possible in the particular role you want him to fill.

Currently there are three bits of content in ESO for max-level players, two already in, one planned and in development.

1. Veteran dungeons
2. AvA in Cyrodiil
3. Adventure Zones

This post has been edited by Thomas Kaira: Apr 24 2014, 11:55 PM

Ugh. This is simply to much for me to bother with..

Sounds a lot like Ubisoft's Prestige Levels for the Multiplayer....

And yet far more complicated...

Aaaand something that would likely have me spending all my time trying to achieve... ...

This post has been edited by McBadgere: Apr 25 2014, 12:55 PM

Welp.

Shady business practices all round for this game.

I'd say Zenimax doesn't trust ZOS and want to be able to make as much money as they can in case the game bombs. That's what the marketing tells me, they're really pushing that pay-gated content in the game.

At this point it looks like ESO has yet another huge problem to deal with: botters.

For the uninitiated: a botter is very simple, it is a player character with no human player at the controls. It is being controlled by a computer macro. This is a prohibited practice in MMOs as botters can cause major problems for the game's economy (they can grind nodes 24-7 without stopping).

Work is being done to ban all the bot accounts at this time, but it's going to be a bit of a process.

Wow, that sounds absolutely nuts.

Anyone being anything like positive vis a vis this colossal money sink at all?...

Just wondering is all...

Well then...Now that the thing is going Free To Play™ and finally coming out on console...Seemingly working like Destiny's sales model...ie, "everything is expensive but hey! We're not subscription, eh?... ..."...

Er...

Yeah, what I've read suggests you get the game to play as you want, but any DLC will need to be paid for...

McWife was asking earlier...Does anyone know of anywhere that says what you'll likely get in the game for your initial purchase, and what exactly is down as DLC?...

Or is this all still up in the air?...

Sorry, can't help, McB. I've always hoped well for ESO but continue to watch and listen to how things go. As you probably recall, I don't go near a game until it is well entrenched and fully patched, dissected, wiki'd etc. With this big change to their payment model, I imagine that represents a big change to the game and perhaps a shift in the type of player. So, I continue to watch with interest from the sidelines to hear what intrepid 'jump right in there' players think.

From what I've seen, the game looks nice. I would prefer to buy the game and DLC, then play for free - as long as not having the 'premium $$ content' is not frustrating. But what do I know? I've never touched an MMO or any sort of online play in my life.

Best I can find is this

Even the faq on the elder scrolls online site isn't much help.

This post has been edited by Callidus Thorn: Feb 2 2015, 02:56 PM

I'll wait until I don't have to buy the game. I just want to try it 'first' (I did play the beta for two days) to see where it is now, and if I'd like to play now. This is how I got into swtor, by trying it completely for free.

...I posted that first bit in the other thread... ...But thanks hugely...

The faq was pretty good, it did, at least, throw out the suggestion that we wait and see when everything comes out...The £50 is going to be bad enough, without the four of us having to spend tons of money to be able to get anywhere...

It does say elsewhere on the site that we need to be Level 50+ to walk freely between all the different territories...Though that does mean you still have three countries per dominion to play in before that, granted...