This is needed advice. I actually forgot about removing my antivirus (with all going on in RL lately); so first:

Thank you for the reminder that I need to get another antivirus on here; going with no antivirus since November could very well be why my laptop is dragging badly lately on opening pictures or watching vids!

Second: Thank you so much for taking the time to get me those links; I have used AVG Free in the past and it wasn't bad; though I think I removed it for using too many resources - can't remember now why I stopped using it, but you are right that it is better than nothing.

And I'll get my son to run that Malwarebytes; he usually runs it for me about once per 90 days or so (between semesters); but he missed me this last break.

Thank you both for your help!

I used AVG free some years ago but switched to Avast free. The only thing I dislike about Avast is that it pesters you to upgrade to the paid version. I can put up with that for what it does offer, and how few resources it eats.

Maybe I'll have another look at Avast. I ditched it a few years ago because it started nagging me every 10 minutes or so. Then it started asking me to answer a survey question. Now I wouldn't have minded that once, even though it was deeply inane (something like: 'We are introducing secure browsing. Are you excited about this?' Yeah right.), but it never managed to register my answer (guess what that was), so it would come up with the same request on and off all day. Was like living with a deeply insecure small child.

This post has been edited by tegeus-Cromis: Feb 7 2016, 12:42 PM

I am using Avast, and it used to nag me like that too. But it stopped. I cannot remember what I did. I think it was when I bought a new hard drive recently and reinstalled Windows (7 of course), on it. The version of Avast I have now looks different than the one I had before. It is clearly made to look better on a phone, with less colors, simple blocky shapes, and so on. Like the bad old days of Windows 3.1. It says it is version 11.1.2245. So maybe if you delete Avast, then download it brand new from their site, you will get a version that doesn't nag as much.

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Feb 7 2016, 06:02 PM

Oops, slight embarrassment. Just realised the one I meant was Avanti (Avanti, Avast, AVG, a lot of imagination in the naming...). This used to be highly recommended a while back (over AVG) but now seems to have mostly died off, probably for the reasons I've given. Likely they put some pointy-headed person from the sales dept in charge of development. So, sorry, Avast...



It's all going that way. And it's exactly why I'm not going beyond Windows 7. Not going back to a toy operating system. (Well, to be fair, Win10's 'kernel' is likely pretty sound, whereas 3.1 hardly had anything at all under the bonnet. I just don't want big clunky crayon drawings all over my desktop...)

Well, Avast Free does pester you too. My Win XP box still has the old version of Avast, and it still pops up with "Buy the Full Version!" at least once every time I use that computer.

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Feb 7 2016, 10:33 PM

It's just a search for a little bit of extra pocket money. Paid-for versions have little extra to offer the consumer market. Worse, people forget to renew and are often unaware that they have no protection (AVG, I think, defaults back to the free service, at least). However, the firms (and I don't begrudge them this at all, keeps them going) likely make their main income from organisations. Sysadmins have to fret about servers, which the free versions do not cover, and network updates. When you have to constantly download security updates for a cluster of 50 workstations (with the usual slovenly users...) you can find all those licences worth every penny.

So I really wish they'd back off a bit on home users...

I have an issue that I had once before and it´s regarding the quote function both at Bethsoft and Nexus forums.


I recently upgraded to IE 11 and in this process something happened and when I click on quote now I only come to the reply box, with no quote. I fixed this last time by ticking the following boxes:


use SSL 2.0
Use SSL 3.0
Use TSL 1.0
Use TSL 1.1
Use TSL 1.2


But these are all ticked now and it still doesn´t work. Anyone have any idea? And please refrain from asking why I took IE. I just did, ok?

Er...why are you using IE? (JUST KIDDING!) I don't know, but I'll bet SubRosa or Ghastley does, both are flat out geniuses at these thingls.

What I can tell you is that those settings are related to https (i.e. the use of encrypted transmission) and this site uses http (unencrypted) so they have no effect here.

You probably want to tun SSL 2.0 and SSL 3.0 OFF, as they're obsolete and insecure methods, but that's nothing to do with the quote issue.

I can't get quoting to work in IE11 either, but it's probably a case of the php script seeing IE11 as not a version it knows about, so it fails "safe". There's probably a "look like older release" setting* somewhere that will bypass the problem. The issue is not in your browser, but the way the script sees the incoming request. The header will have a bunch of info about what browser it's coming from, and the script will take a different path sometimes for a different browser.

*Found it: For IE 11, add chorrol.com to the "compatibility view" list, and it will work.

Edit: To add further confusion: I'm using IE 11 at home, and this site works. When I use it at work, it fails until I enable Compatibility View. However, I suspect that work uses a proxy outbound, which may affect things.


This post has been edited by ghastley: Jun 23 2016, 12:04 AM

When I add Bethsoft to the compatibility view, then I can quote. But the page gets otherwise messed up and I can no longer access my content etc because the window sort of disappears. Well, guess I can go back and forth when I need to quote. Too bad though the shortcut is now gone.

Thanks, ghastley!


And just to clarify, I´ve never had a problem quoting here at chorrol

I'm happily running Windows 7. Windows has politely asked several times if I would like to upgrade for free to Windows 10. Their latest reminder said the offer to do so for free expires the end of this month.

Anybody using Windows 10 and, if so, are you happy with it? For those staying with 7, I'd be happy to hear your thoughts and reasoning as well.

Thanks for any input.

I got a laptop as a service anniversary award from work, and it came with Window 8. I've upgraded(?) that to 10, as I didn't much like 8 or 8.1. 10 is better than 8, but not much. The mobile style does not suit desktops, no matter how much they play with it, and they've taken away so many UI things that helped, such as contrast between adjacent areas that react differently to mouse-clicks. E.g. many buttons have no outline, menu bars blend with the window below them. A lot of web sites have the same problem of being designed for mobile users only, so it's perhaps not surprising that MS can't recruit people who understand the difference.


My main machine is staying on Windows 7 Pro (64-bit), and the Windows 10 laptop has Classic Shell installed, to make it look as much like Win 7 as possible.

Bah humbug! and get off my virtual lawn!

I've been using Win 10 for a little while now. It's good, but took a little getting used to. As ghastley said, it has a mobile style which just feels a little odd and makes navigation more complicated than it needs to be.

I only upgraded to 10 because my xbox and phone both use Win10 resources too so it's easier for them to all connect, and the controller support on Win10 is invaluable for the rare occasions when I actually play PC games. Upcoming cross-platform gaming between Xbox LIVE and Win10 was also a factor in my choice to upgrade.

Of course it was also free, which helped a great deal.

When something is free; buyer beware


I wouldn´t touch Win 10 with any kind of pole, even if someone else was holding the pole in question. Too much spyware sending info back to Microsoft about which pages I visit, for how long and how frequent. Don´t like that stuff. Also, if you have a webcam I think it can be remotely turned on as well, but don´t quote me on that.

Even a guy who has worked with Microsoft and praises Win 10 for its features has big issues with the spyware implemented and how hard it is to turn it off. If you want his opinion, go check out Barnacules on youtube.


Can´t tell you what to do here, Acadian. If you want it then go get it. I´ll stay away for as long as possible though, and then it´s off to Linux

I too am holding off, on my current primary computer, as long as possible. All I've read about Win10 shows it to be more intrusive than I prefer. Funny thing is, I wouldn't mind experimenting with it on my secondary computer, which I no longer use for gaming, or much else. (I let my brother putz around the internet on it when he visits. Otherwise it is rarely switched on.) But...that machine runs Vista, which doesn't qualify for the free update. Go figure. Also, if and when I assemble my next computer I might bite the bullet and install Win10 on it, since I can fine tune the OS to my heart's content before installing games and other 'useful' software. The only unquestionable positive benefit I see with Win10 is its ability to run games in DX12 mode if they are so programmed. (ARK is, or will be, coded for DX12 with a supposed 20% performance improvement.)

By all means, if you want to update, and know you run no 'mission critical' software or hardware that is incompatible, go for it. Lots of folks seem to like it, or at least be able to tolerate it.

This post has been edited by Decrepit: Jul 7 2016, 03:54 PM

One consideration: I believe the update to 10 can be backed out if you don't like it.

It never fails. Whenever something is free there is always an agenda behind it. I can bet my head they will charge the average consumer monthly at some stage.



*starts flirting with Linux*

I'm telling Bestie!