TBH, I think the old games had way too many skills, especially concerning the weapons. I think Morrowind with its separate skills for Axe, Spear, Short Blade, Long Blade, and Blunt was really overdoing it. The same with Light, Medium, and Heavy Armor skills (and Unarmored).

It forces the player to sit down and investigate what they are going to wear and use before they even create their character. As a modder it also forces you to create two or three separate versions of every armor mod you create, one for each armor skill. And if the modder doesn't do that, then the users of the mod have to go in the CK and mod their mod to add said versions of it if your character leveled up the wrong skill. It just creates a huge pain the rear. I think one melee weapon skill is all we really need, and one armor skill. It's all part of the KISS principle: Keep It Simple, Stupid.

I am going slowly through the final (I hope) dungeon in Arena. It really is a crawl. And it's packed with enemies; it has lots of places to rest, yet resting is impossible because it seems the game is programmed to introduce new baddies the moment some are gotten rid of.

Most of these "baddies" are the toughest too. Lichs, vampires, wraiths. All of which can see my Renee Gade at all times. Invisibility does little good down here.

None of those baddies really pose a threat to my character, but then again I´ve spent hours leveling him up and make sure he has the proper spell protections and attacks. He almost doesn´t even need to use weapons at all if he doesn´t want to.


Cool you seem to be on the final leg of the game, Renee! Hopefully the ending will be epic

I did it! I did it!

I B34T @r3n4 !!!!

Wow. The end was not really that hard at all. I didn't even know the game HAD ended, matter of fact. I am not gonna say what I just did (it would be way too much of a spoiler) but we didn't have to fight Jagar Tharn at all. All you have to do is ... well I don't wanna say.

I almost want to go back to my last save, just to see how tough Tharn is. Because I didn't know it was Tharn, I thought he was a vampire.

There is a very primitive cut-scene at the end, and then the game's opening music plays. So here are some pics I just took of the final, 1994 technological feat.

Firstly, we found this gem, after running right by the guy I thought was a vampire. RG1 had a special key by this point, which she literally found by luck in some locked cell, without too much exploration.

After grabbing the red gem, this is how the cut-scene started.

Then this

Woo woo psychadelic


And then Jagar Tharn shows up at the end of the cut-scene, but it never that he's just been defeated. I can't be the only gamer out here who was confused by this.

EDIT: Never mind. The first cut-scene must have glitched. I tried it again, and here are some more pix. Tried fighting Tharn by the way, but the guy is way too tough, as he should be. But that's okay. I just beat TES 1: Arena for the second time with my little trick.

Another psychedelic pic

Jagar Tharn DIES

And then this guy shows up (don't know who it is, but he mentions my characters' name).

And then Burger King shows up. I mean Uriel Septim VII shows up to greet my character. Fun stuff.

I almost feel like jumping into Daggerfall right now, but I need to unwind with some Oblivion. I'll definitely get to Daggerfall this weekend though.

This post has been edited by Renee: Sep 29 2016, 11:02 PM

W00t! Congrats on B34T1N6 T3H G8M3!!!

Congrats to you and your RG1 toon!

Congrats, Renee! It's interesting that you can defeat Tharn by actually not fighting him at all.

Fabulous screenies!

Congrats Renee! Funny, I recall nothing of the concluding cut scene. But then it's been an awfully long time.

Look forward to reports of your upcoming Iliac Bay adventures.

Awesomely done, Renee!!


And thank you very much for the screenies! Glad you got the real ending with your second attempt



Now, go forth! There are more t00ns and more g4m3z to be b34t!

Thanks y'all.

I also wanted to add: like a true Bethesda game, finishing the Main Quest doesn't just end the game. After the cut-scene ended, the game put my character back outside the Imperial City palace (which is just a 2D graphic), meaning if I wanted to, I could head out of Cyrodiil and go back to other provinces, do random quests, etc. It's interesting Bethesda had this philosophy back then, which is one of the things which has continued on in later Beth games.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT !!!!! Awesome, Renee the Eternal Champion !!!!!! WOOOOOOOT !!!!!!

w00t yrself, mALX.

I did roll a new t00n in Daggerfall a few days ago, he is a Nord Warrior from Skyrim (real creative, I know). His name is Mann Buubz, ha ha, and he'll pretty much be my test guy.

I have had some technical problems with getting my PC-style Xbox controller to work in this game, specifically with weapon swings. But I'm working with Turija over at Beth's forums, because he's telling me he's gotten one to work in the past. Otherwise, I'd be stuck with trying to use my controller and mouse for combat, which would get pretty awkward since I game while sitting up in bed, rather than at a desk like most of y'all.

You could get that Khajiit mod with the 6 breasts and play one called "Manny Buubz"

Alright, alright, girls. Behave yourselves


Nice to see your progression, Renee. I hope you´ll enjoy Daggerfall

If there's anybody else out there like me, who prefers (or requires) a controller for Daggerfall instead of pure mouse + keys, and you've been having trouble getting weapon swings to work, Turija over at Beth's forums can help. He can help all three of the gamers out there (out of millions, ha ha) who have hit a wall here.

With his X-padder profile?, all you'll need to do is download the file, and then unzip the archive, and then put the profile he's provided into X-padder. You'll need to hold down the left trigger while moving the right analog stick around, but otherwise it works just like moving the mouse around, in regards to weapon swings.

Well, Maan Buubz just got out of Privateer's Hold ... Daggerfall's opening dungeon is much easier than Arena's, I must say. I can still visualize the entire thing, which is good because in the future when I make new people I won't spend hours getting stuck.

But Maan just traveled to Daggerfall City. Problem is, it's night time, and this means you can't get in the city unless you sneak in somehow. Maan began walking around the exterior of the city walls, but he got attacked by some sort of specter-looking undead. So of course he ran. He ran until he found a corner he could cut (the specter would probably just keep following in a straight line, if DF is like newer Beth games) and then he found one of the city gates. He crouched in front of this gate. I don't know if crouching is the same as sneaking in later games, but I'll try this, rather than have that specter show up again! Began waiting in real-time, but time moves slower in this game (and in Arena) than in vanilla Oblivion or Skyrim. So I tried to have him loiter here for 3 hours.

Guards do not like loiterers though, so he's now been arrested. Holy crap, he's now standing TRIAL for his "crime". He doesn't really care that he's been arrested though, it's safer in jail than it is outside the city, with that weird specter thing flying around.

He chose "guilty". I assume they took some gold from him, but he found a lot of gold in Privateer, so no worries.

This post has been edited by Renee: Oct 9 2016, 03:55 PM

So you can actually choose to "loiter" instead of "waiting" in Daggerfall?

Arrested and in jail before even getting in the city? Are you sure you are not playing Khareem of Wheet?

PWWWNED!!!