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Callidus Thorn
post Jan 11 2017, 11:21 AM
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Stop trying to derail this Star Wars discussion nono.gif

As for The Clone Wars I never saw much of a reason to be interested. It's meat droids versus metal droids, with Jedi/Sith handlers. I've read some of the books set in the Clone Wars, and it's never the war itself that's interesting. The only ones I really liked are the Republic Commando ones, because they go so far outside the films to properly justify making real characters out of the clone commandos.

There's more to it than just the battles between the Clones and Battledroids. There's bounty hunters, pirates, and deeper exploration into the nature of The Force and its Dark and Light sides. Not to mention an Anakin Skywalker that is a lot more interesting than the one we got in the films.


Okay, but none of that is new to the Star Wars universe. The only thing it adds is the setting, and it's one that's of no real interest to me.

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I think that can be explained with two words: George Lucas. Contrast that with The Clone Wars, where he was not the writer. He had final say over the series, but he was not the one doing the actual writing, or day to day direction or production.

That's a very good point.

This one felt literally nothing for Anakin in the prequel films but thinks we should be feeling like his fall was very tragic. He was supposed to be this big Jedi hero whose fatal flaw was that he was afraid to let go of his loved ones, but throughout the PT he doesn't really come off as very heroic. He's brash, and arrogant, which honestly aren't strikes against him, but the incessant moodiness and whining we get from him just makes Khajiit very unsympathetic to his character. The most heartbreaking things about Anakin's fall in the PT were the deaths of the Younglings and Obi Wan's pain when he confronted Anakin on Mustafar, but this one feels nothing for Anakin himself. Just seems like a grave disservice was done to the character of Anakin Skywalker in the PT. When Khajiit saw season 1 of The Clone Wars he thought "Finally! This is the Anakin Skywalker we've been missing all these years!".


Lucas can't do characters. That's the main reason for the whole "Han shot first" debacle. And anyone who's watched Star Wars on dvd can see just how much he vandalised that scene in making Greedo shoot first. Lucas is one of the few people who actually likes jar jar binks. Let me say that once more, so it can properly sink in: George Lucas likes jar jar binks. Clearly, he doesn't even know what a good character looks like.


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post Jan 11 2017, 02:56 PM
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Jar-Jar Binks is the character everyone talks about, even if it's just to hate him. There is no such thing as bad publicity. Characters you can easily hate are just as important to a franchise, as they make everyone else look good.

Lucas sees the money side of Jar-Jar, not the idiotic side.


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post Jan 11 2017, 06:06 PM
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Okay, but none of that is new to the Star Wars universe. The only thing it adds is the setting, and it's one that's of no real interest to me.

Well, one could say that it actually adds an Anakin Skywalker that people could care about, lol.

Anyway, it's a 30 minute an episode show spread over several seasons. Easy watching. The characters are well done for the most part (looking at you Ziro the Hutt!) and there are some interesting storylines. Also keep in mind, the new canon is coming directly from these TV shows too. That said, Khajiit want try to convince you anymore. He respects your decision either way!


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post Jan 11 2017, 11:51 PM
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Eh. I have mixed feelings about the Clone Wars. Especially with Dave Feloni running it. I absolutely
Hate Rebels. It's all so one-sided that it's ridiculous but hell its the name of the show so I can't complain.

The Clone Wars retconned a lot of stuff even before the Disney wipe.


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post Jan 12 2017, 04:45 AM
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Breh.

I'm being eaten alive by the new Star Wars game on iOS.


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post Jan 12 2017, 04:45 AM
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QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 11 2017, 09:45 PM) *

Breh.

I'm being eaten alive by the new Star Wars game on iOS.

Oh? Which game is this?


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post Jan 12 2017, 05:00 AM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 12 2017, 12:45 PM) *

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Breh.

I'm being eaten alive by the new Star Wars game on iOS.

Oh? Which game is this?

Force Arena. It's basically the clunky love child between DotA/LoL/Vainglory and that Clash Royale shindig.


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post Jan 12 2017, 05:21 AM
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QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 11 2017, 10:00 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 12 2017, 12:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 11 2017, 09:45 PM) *

Breh.

I'm being eaten alive by the new Star Wars game on iOS.

Oh? Which game is this?

Force Arena. It's basically the clunky love child between DotA/LoL/Vainglory and that Clash Royale shindig.

Lol, Khajiit doesn't know what those initials are for tongue.gif


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post Jan 23 2017, 06:19 PM
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So apparently the title name for Episode 8 would be 'The Last Jedi.'



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post Jan 23 2017, 06:30 PM
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QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 23 2017, 11:19 AM) *

So apparently the title name for Episode 8 would be 'The Last Jedi.'

Like, do they mean the last of the Jedi or like the Jedi from the last generation of Jedi?

On a serious note, this one is getting kind of tired of the last Jedi routine. Khajiit was really hoping that 7,8, and 9 would be about the rebirth of the Jedi Order, revolving around Anakin Skywalker's children and grand children. Instead we are basically getting a rehash of the OT. Really hoping episode 8 isn't just a slightly altered The Empire Strikes Back.


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post Jan 23 2017, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 24 2017, 02:30 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 23 2017, 11:19 AM) *

So apparently the title name for Episode 8 would be 'The Last Jedi.'

Like, do they mean the last of the Jedi or like the Jedi from the last generation of Jedi?

On a serious note, this one is getting kind of tired of the last Jedi routine. Khajiit was really hoping that 7,8, and 9 would be about the rebirth of the Jedi Order, revolving around Anakin Skywalker's children and grand children. Instead we are basically getting a rehash of the OT. Really hoping episode 8 isn't just a slightly altered The Empire Strikes Back.


Probably the latter. With the way things were from Episode 7, I wouldn't be surprised if they offed Luke (Rey, I'm NOT your fatheeeeerrrghhhhhh...) and instigate Rey as the first Last and all that jazz. I also agree with you on being just sick and tired of this whole Last of his Jedi Kind shindig; but instead of the Skywalkers, I'm hoping for a different .... Legacy, shall we say, this time around. Let the other Jedi take the spotlight for once; loke a descendant of Kenobi or Windu or Generic Jedi #1283939272282638. Or quite possibly even a descendant of Revan.

Did you know that Revan and Bane actually had a scene with The Son during the Mortis Arc, but got deleted? Hooo boy.


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post Jan 23 2017, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 23 2017, 11:47 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 24 2017, 02:30 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 23 2017, 11:19 AM) *

So apparently the title name for Episode 8 would be 'The Last Jedi.'

Like, do they mean the last of the Jedi or like the Jedi from the last generation of Jedi?

On a serious note, this one is getting kind of tired of the last Jedi routine. Khajiit was really hoping that 7,8, and 9 would be about the rebirth of the Jedi Order, revolving around Anakin Skywalker's children and grand children. Instead we are basically getting a rehash of the OT. Really hoping episode 8 isn't just a slightly altered The Empire Strikes Back.


Probably the latter. With the way things were from Episode 7, I wouldn't be surprised if they offed Luke (Rey, I'm NOT your fatheeeeerrrghhhhhh...) and instigate Rey as the first Last and all that jazz. I also agree with you on being just sick and tired of this whole Last of his Jedi Kind shindig; but instead of the Skywalkers, I'm hoping for a different .... Legacy, shall we say, this time around. Let the other Jedi take the spotlight for once; loke a descendant of Kenobi or Windu or Generic Jedi #1283939272282638. Or quite possibly even a descendant of Revan.

Did you know that Revan and Bane actually had a scene with The Son during the Mortis Arc, but got deleted? Hooo boy.
Yes, Khajiit was indeed aware of this. Unfortunate, that.


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post Jan 23 2017, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jan 23 2017, 11:19 AM) *

So apparently the title name for Episode 8 would be 'The Last Jedi.'


Name sounds familiar.

Sounds like Luke's going to be the main center piece in this episode, I really hope Captain Phasma plays a Bigger role in this film and hold a somewhat hostile grudge towards Fynn. In all I want this movie to rival Rogue One, sure R1 had a clunky start but man did the second half of the movie kick so much ass. I want Episode 8 to pull no punches, don't copy anymore of the original trilogy, no super weapons or at least no more Death Stars. I want balls to the walls excitement and Star Wars goodness.


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post Jan 23 2017, 09:59 PM
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I'm cynical, so I'm gonna guess that they're going to continue playing it safe, and this one'll be a mix of Empire Strikes Back and KotOR. They've already set up enough to support the latter. I'm gonna guess at Rey being captured by what's-his-mask, tortured, turned to dark side. Luke dragged out of hiding to free her. And we're gonna learn that he's been doing what Revan was supposedly doing; out looking for the mysterious enemy behind the threat.


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post Jan 23 2017, 11:32 PM
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They already set up that Luke was off looking for the first Jedi temple. This part is pure speculation, but I imagine his failure with Kylo/Ben made him distrust his teaching ability, so perhaps he went looking for some old school info on how to be a better teacher there. So we know that is what he has been up too. Perhaps the temple is on Ahch-To (the island at the end of Force Awakens). Or maybe it is somewhere else.

In any case, Luke needs to die. Otherwise the new characters cannot go forward in their own story arcs. Just as Kenobi and Yoda had to die so that Luke would have to be the one to step up in the original films. If Kenobi had lived through A New Hope, he would have been the main character, and Luke just his sidekick/Padawan. That is why even though Han is in Force Awakens, they keep his role to that of the same kind of mentor that Obi-Wan was. Otherwise it would have just been a Han Solo movie.

It is clear that they want the new characters of Rey, Finn, and Poe to be the stars of the new trilogy. The original characters are there to provide an anchor to the past films. But they are the heroes of the past.

Plus, that is what happened in the old movies, and JJ Abrams is incapable of doing anything original. All he can do is copy what better writers have already done before. Force Awakens is proof of that.

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post Jan 23 2017, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 23 2017, 02:59 PM) *

I'm cynical, so I'm gonna guess that they're going to continue playing it safe, and this one'll be a mix of Empire Strikes Back and KotOR. They've already set up enough to support the latter. I'm gonna guess at Rey being captured by what's-his-mask, tortured, turned to dark side. Luke dragged out of hiding to free her. And we're gonna learn that he's been doing what Revan was supposedly doing; out looking for the mysterious enemy behind the threat.

Oh gawd. Khajiit will be pretty upset if Kyle gets a Sith name and it's Darth Revan.


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post Jan 23 2017, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 23 2017, 05:43 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 23 2017, 02:59 PM) *

I'm cynical, so I'm gonna guess that they're going to continue playing it safe, and this one'll be a mix of Empire Strikes Back and KotOR. They've already set up enough to support the latter. I'm gonna guess at Rey being captured by what's-his-mask, tortured, turned to dark side. Luke dragged out of hiding to free her. And we're gonna learn that he's been doing what Revan was supposedly doing; out looking for the mysterious enemy behind the threat.

Oh gawd. Khajiit will be pretty upset if Kyle gets a Sith name and it's Darth Revan.

Well, his real name is Ben Solo. Kylo Ren is his Sith name. Or is Dark-Sider name. Snoke does not appear to be a Sith (and I hope he is not), but rather some other stripe of evil force user.


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post Jan 24 2017, 03:09 AM
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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 23 2017, 04:51 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 23 2017, 05:43 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 23 2017, 02:59 PM) *

I'm cynical, so I'm gonna guess that they're going to continue playing it safe, and this one'll be a mix of Empire Strikes Back and KotOR. They've already set up enough to support the latter. I'm gonna guess at Rey being captured by what's-his-mask, tortured, turned to dark side. Luke dragged out of hiding to free her. And we're gonna learn that he's been doing what Revan was supposedly doing; out looking for the mysterious enemy behind the threat.

Oh gawd. Khajiit will be pretty upset if Kyle gets a Sith name and it's Darth Revan.

Well, his real name is Ben Solo. Kylo Ren is his Sith name. Or is Dark-Sider name. Snoke does not appear to be a Sith (and I hope he is not), but rather some other stripe of evil force user.

Oh yeah this one totally agrees with hoping Snoke (still don't really like this name) isn't a Sith but rather a part of some other Darkside organization. The Sith need to chill for a while.

So, with Sidious dead and Vader redeemed to the light and dead, who would be left to carry on Sith traditions?


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post Jan 26 2017, 01:55 AM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 23 2017, 09:09 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 23 2017, 04:51 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 23 2017, 05:43 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 23 2017, 02:59 PM) *

I'm cynical, so I'm gonna guess that they're going to continue playing it safe, and this one'll be a mix of Empire Strikes Back and KotOR. They've already set up enough to support the latter. I'm gonna guess at Rey being captured by what's-his-mask, tortured, turned to dark side. Luke dragged out of hiding to free her. And we're gonna learn that he's been doing what Revan was supposedly doing; out looking for the mysterious enemy behind the threat.

Oh gawd. Khajiit will be pretty upset if Kyle gets a Sith name and it's Darth Revan.

Well, his real name is Ben Solo. Kylo Ren is his Sith name. Or is Dark-Sider name. Snoke does not appear to be a Sith (and I hope he is not), but rather some other stripe of evil force user.

Oh yeah this one totally agrees with hoping Snoke (still don't really like this name) isn't a Sith but rather a part of some other Darkside organization. The Sith need to chill for a while.

So, with Sidious dead and Vader redeemed to the light and dead, who would be left to carry on Sith traditions?

Do'h! I completely missed your post!

You think Snooki is a bad name for the big bad guy? But the Jersey Shore is so menacing and spine chilling! laugh.gif I am not sure which is worse, that or Sheev. Who ever is naming Star Wars people these days needs to be fired.

I suppose Ben/Kylo would be the person to carry on the Sith legacy, in tribute to Vader. After all, he obviously admires Vader, and appears to be trying to pattern himself off Vader. But he would still need a Sith to teach him the specifics of Sith philosophy. Otherwise he's just an angry guy using the force. That would mean Snooki would have to be a Sith as well. I hope not, because I think they are a dead horse that has been beaten far too many times already. The same goes for the Jedi. It is high time for something new. But with JJ Abrams in charge, I am sure that will never happen.


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post Jan 26 2017, 04:14 AM
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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 25 2017, 06:55 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jan 23 2017, 09:09 PM) *

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QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 23 2017, 02:59 PM) *

I'm cynical, so I'm gonna guess that they're going to continue playing it safe, and this one'll be a mix of Empire Strikes Back and KotOR. They've already set up enough to support the latter. I'm gonna guess at Rey being captured by what's-his-mask, tortured, turned to dark side. Luke dragged out of hiding to free her. And we're gonna learn that he's been doing what Revan was supposedly doing; out looking for the mysterious enemy behind the threat.

Oh gawd. Khajiit will be pretty upset if Kyle gets a Sith name and it's Darth Revan.

Well, his real name is Ben Solo. Kylo Ren is his Sith name. Or is Dark-Sider name. Snoke does not appear to be a Sith (and I hope he is not), but rather some other stripe of evil force user.

Oh yeah this one totally agrees with hoping Snoke (still don't really like this name) isn't a Sith but rather a part of some other Darkside organization. The Sith need to chill for a while.

So, with Sidious dead and Vader redeemed to the light and dead, who would be left to carry on Sith traditions?

Do'h! I completely missed your post!

You think Snooki is a bad name for the big bad guy? But the Jersey Shore is so menacing and spine chilling! laugh.gif I am not sure which is worse, that or Sheev. Who ever is naming Star Wars people these days needs to be fired.

I suppose Ben/Kylo would be the person to carry on the Sith legacy, in tribute to Vader. After all, he obviously admires Vader, and appears to be trying to pattern himself off Vader. But he would still need a Sith to teach him the specifics of Sith philosophy. Otherwise he's just an angry guy using the force. That would mean Snooki would have to be a Sith as well. I hope not, because I think they are a dead horse that has been beaten far too many times already. The same goes for the Jedi. It is high time for something new. But with JJ Abrams in charge, I am sure that will never happen.

Yeah. Sheev. *cringe*
Lucky for him his last name (when combined with "Emperor") and his Sith name are pretty decent (imo).

Khajiit would definitely prefer Snoke and them to be a different brand of Darksider than Sith.


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