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Star Wars Thread 1: The Phantom Post, Star Wars |
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SubRosa |
Sep 11 2017, 01:19 AM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Sep 10 2017, 07:10 PM)  QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Sep 10 2017, 06:09 PM)  QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Sep 11 2017, 08:05 AM)  QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Sep 10 2017, 06:03 PM)  I'm totally up for Tarkin surviving since it would be interesting to see how he deals with the new political scene post-Endor, but personally, this theory ends when you consider Snoke's force-sensitivity; something Tarkin lacks.
Is Snoke force sensitive though? Has he shown any sign of being force sensitive? The Star Wars Databank says he is strong in the dark side of the Force. As for showing signs of being force sensitive, well. His is subtle compared to the raw theatrics of Sidious but; "There has been an awakening in the Force. Have you felt it?" Added some to previous post. Khajiit is just playing devil's advocate. This one fully expects that Snoke is an entirely new character we've never seen before that just happens to share a similarity in appearance to Tarkin (and his love of planet killing super weapons, lol). At the end of TFA Snoke says he is going to complete Kylo's training. That right there implies that he is a Force-user, and Kylo's teacher.
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TheCheshireKhajiit |
Sep 11 2017, 01:32 AM
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QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Sep 10 2017, 07:05 PM)  *snip*
So, knowing what we know of Sheev Palpatine, do we take what he told Tarkin at face value or did he have some other agenda for seeking out Tarkin? QUOTE(SubRosa @ Sep 10 2017, 07:19 PM)  At the end of TFA Snoke says he is going to complete Kylo's training. That right there implies that he is a Force-user, and Kylo's teacher.
Well the actual interaction goes like this: General Hux: Supreme Leader. The fuel cells have ruptured. The collapse of the planet has begun. Supreme Leader Snoke: Leave the base at once and come to me with Kylo Ren. It is time... to complete his training Source: IMDB* *Now Khajiit doesn't know how accurate IMDB's quotes are but Khajiit remembers it being very close. He never says he will be the one to train him.
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Darkness Eternal |
Sep 11 2017, 01:42 AM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Sep 11 2017, 01:32 AM)  QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Sep 10 2017, 07:05 PM)  *snip*
So, knowing what we know of Sheev Palpatine, do we take what he told Tarkin at face value or did he have some other agenda for seeking out Tarkin? Probably both knowing Palpatine. I think Palpatine saw Tarkin's potential as well perhaps as a means of exploiting his past and his ambitious spirit to further improve the Empire. Same as he did with Vader.
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TheCheshireKhajiit |
Sep 11 2017, 01:48 AM
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QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Sep 10 2017, 07:42 PM)  QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Sep 11 2017, 01:32 AM)  QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Sep 10 2017, 07:05 PM)  *snip*
So, knowing what we know of Sheev Palpatine, do we take what he told Tarkin at face value or did he have some other agenda for seeking out Tarkin? Probably both knowing Palpatine. I think Palpatine saw Tarkin's potential as well perhaps as a means of exploiting his past and his ambitious spirit to further improve the Empire. Same as he did with Vader. Yes, Khajiit can see this. Palps knows that if he wants to spend his time digging up Sith secrets then he will need capable (and loyal) politicians to run the Empire's day to day business.
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SubRosa |
Sep 11 2017, 01:53 AM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Sep 10 2017, 08:32 PM)  QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Sep 10 2017, 07:05 PM)  *snip*
So, knowing what we know of Sheev Palpatine, do we take what he told Tarkin at face value or did he have some other agenda for seeking out Tarkin? QUOTE(SubRosa @ Sep 10 2017, 07:19 PM)  At the end of TFA Snoke says he is going to complete Kylo's training. That right there implies that he is a Force-user, and Kylo's teacher.
Well the actual interaction goes like this: General Hux: Supreme Leader. The fuel cells have ruptured. The collapse of the planet has begun. Supreme Leader Snoke: Leave the base at once and come to me with Kylo Ren. It is time... to complete his training Source: IMDB* *Now Khajiit doesn't know how accurate IMDB's quotes are but Khajiit remembers it being very close. He never says he will be the one to train him. I see what you are getting at. But I cannot see Kylo taking orders from Snoke, unless Snoke is a more powerful dark-side user. Only a Force user could control him. In the novels we have seen people try to control force users. But it always ends tragically for the would-be puppet master. The Force is the ultimate power in the Star Wars universe. Luke amply demonstrated that when he destroyed the Death Star.
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TheCheshireKhajiit |
Sep 11 2017, 02:04 AM
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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Sep 10 2017, 07:53 PM)  I see what you are getting at. But I cannot see Kylo taking orders from Snoke, unless Snoke is a more powerful dark-side user. Only a Force user could control him. In the novels we have seen people try to control force users. But it always ends tragically for the would-be puppet master. The Force is the ultimate power in the Star Wars universe. Luke amply demonstrated that when he destroyed the Death Star.
That's a good point. It could be like a "Vader doing as Tarkin asked and not choking the life out of the guy in the boardroom" kind of thing. Khajiit doesn't buy wholly into the "Snoke is Tarkin" theory for a couple of reasons: 1. If Snoke is not a force user and is instead a rehabilitated Tarkin, why bother hiding the fact that Tarkin survived the Death Star? 2. If Snoke is not a force user and is instead a rehabilitated Tarkin that a Sith or other Darksider is using as a buffer to hide their presence to the Galaxy at large, who is going to train Kylo? Maybe the big bad posing as a "servant" of Snoke? This post has been edited by TheCheshireKhajiit: Sep 11 2017, 02:05 AM
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TheCheshireKhajiit |
Sep 11 2017, 02:31 AM
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QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Sep 10 2017, 01:58 PM)  There's another theory getting some steam that Snoke could be Ezra: http://www.looper.com/23860/theoryloop-ezr...acebook_zergnet . Damn just saw this. Didn't look at it because of possible Rebels spoilers.
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Callidus Thorn |
Sep 11 2017, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Sep 10 2017, 11:46 PM)  QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Sep 10 2017, 01:57 PM)  QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Sep 9 2017, 03:03 AM)  QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Sep 8 2017, 08:34 PM)  QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Sep 8 2017, 07:59 PM)  Watching the The Force Awakens again and it suddenly struck Khajiit that .
Hmmm---interesting. And apparently Khajiit is not the only one who has thought this. Looked it up after the idea came to this one and sure enough, there is a fan theory about it. The resemblance between the two is quite strong. Considering the scale of the retcon that would be required to accomodate that fan theory(since we actually see Tarkin rubbish the idea of evacuating, and the Death star goes up in such spectacular fashion, pretty much ruling out the possibility of his surviving), I'd put that below even the level of the Darth Jar Jar theory. Khajiit is not so sure. If the Death Star had been completely disintegrated when it blew, then yeah definitely, no chance Tarkin survives. That said, Khajiit wouldn't think the Death Star would have been broken down that far. He proposes there would be pieces of it floating around after the explosion. At that point, it's basically a giant ship wreck. Its a long, long, long shot, and it's more than likely not true, but it's just weird that they made Snoke look so much like a severely disfigured Tarkin. Is it completely beyond the realm of possibility that Tarkin somehow survived? Khajiit is just not sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYF2_wQS61Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qniy8aDSFLAThat looks like disintegration to me. Certainly no sizable chunks of it floating around, hardly surprising considering the amount of power it would need to be generating. Bringing back Tarkin would directly contradict what we see in A New Hope. Not that I put it past them to do that mind, it would just be mind-numbingly stupid. This post has been edited by Callidus Thorn: Sep 11 2017, 10:45 AM
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TheCheshireKhajiit |
Sep 11 2017, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Sep 11 2017, 04:45 AM)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYF2_wQS61Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qniy8aDSFLAThat looks like disintegration to me. Certainly no sizable chunks of it floating around, hardly surprising considering the amount of power it would need to be generating. Bringing back Tarkin would directly contradict what we see in A New Hope. Not that I put it past them to do that mind, it would just be mind-numbingly stupid. Yes, it would be stupid if you look at it from the perspective that the Death Star was completely and absolutely disintegrated leaving not one single part of it intact. The problem for Khajiit with the scene of the Death Star exploding is distance from the point of view. This one would suggest that at that distance, against the black back ground of space, the only thing you would see is the light emitted by the explosion; it would look like disintegration because you can't see the pieces of it flying away from the explosion. Again, it's not something Khajiit wholly buys into, but not something he immediately dismisses either. This post has been edited by TheCheshireKhajiit: Sep 11 2017, 05:55 PM
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TheCheshireKhajiit |
Sep 14 2017, 08:09 PM
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QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Sep 14 2017, 02:02 PM)  I can't get this stupid song out of my head and even worse its been playing on the radio: https://youtu.be/U9t-slLl30E  . Check the link, Khajiit can't get anything when he clicks on it.
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Dark Reaper |
Sep 14 2017, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Sep 14 2017, 02:09 PM)  Check the link, Khajiit can't get anything when he clicks on it.
Works for me...unless you said that to make me click on my link and hear that song...Why would you play a mean trick like that  ?
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TheCheshireKhajiit |
Sep 14 2017, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Sep 14 2017, 02:29 PM)  QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Sep 14 2017, 02:09 PM)  Check the link, Khajiit can't get anything when he clicks on it.
Works for me...unless you said that to make me click on my link and hear that song...Why would you play a mean trick like that  ? Oh ok it's working now. Must've been Khajiit's connection. Sorry!
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Callidus Thorn |
Sep 14 2017, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Sep 14 2017, 08:02 PM)  I can't get this stupid song out of my head and even worse its been playing on the radio: https://youtu.be/U9t-slLl30E  . I feel your pain man, had it stuck in my head on and off for weeks
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TheCheshireKhajiit |
Sep 14 2017, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Sep 14 2017, 02:47 PM)  Remember it? Off the top of my head I can't tell you if I've ever heard it  Spoofs The Phantom Menace. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hEcjgJSqSRU
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Callidus Thorn |
Sep 14 2017, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Sep 14 2017, 08:55 PM)  QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Sep 14 2017, 02:47 PM)  Remember it? Off the top of my head I can't tell you if I've ever heard it  Spoofs The Phantom Menace. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hEcjgJSqSRUSo. Much. Cringe.  I'm not gonna lie, I didn't watch much of it.  Hadn't heard it before though.
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Dark Reaper |
Sep 14 2017, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Sep 14 2017, 03:00 PM)  So. Much. Cringe.  I'm not gonna lie, I didn't watch much of it.  Hadn't heard it before though. I've been hearing this song 24/7 since I've first heard it. Its that combination of dumb and catchy thing that always seems to get into my head and stay there  .
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SubRosa |
Sep 14 2017, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE(Dark Reaper @ Sep 14 2017, 04:12 PM)  QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Sep 14 2017, 03:00 PM)  So. Much. Cringe.  I'm not gonna lie, I didn't watch much of it.  Hadn't heard it before though. I've been hearing this song 24/7 since I've first heard it. Its that combination of dumb and catchy thing that always seems to get into my head and stay there  . And it's still a better romance than Twilight...
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