Where would be the worse place to live for an average person, 3rd Era Tamriel (Oblivion Invasion) or the Star Wars galaxy under the rule of the Empire?

This post has been edited by TheCheshireKhajiit: Nov 7 2017, 12:26 AM

Galaxy under the Rule of the Empire.

3rd era Tamriel dealt with the Oblivion Crisis for but a period. The galaxy dealt with the Empire for over twenty years. Plus, there are many different ways to becoming a “better” person in the ES universe. In Star Wars, only a handful are Jedi. In the Empire’s period, well, that gang of Space Monks are nearly gone.

You can always escape the Empire. . . By visiting the Outer Rim territories. In Tamriel, there are many ways to face the music!

Khajiit thinks both places would suck to live in. Even when there's not an Oblivion Invasion going on, bad crap is always happening in Tamriel regardless of era, and then in Star Wars you could get your planet destroyed at anytime. This one is thinking that Tamriel might be worse though. As you pointed out, you could potentially slide under the Empire's radar, but in Tamriel you've got to worry about a whole host of problems, from vampires and werewolves, to rogue spellcasters and evil spirits.

Tamriel. More specifically - somewhere in The Rift of Skyrim. So beautiful there.

You could always become a powerful spellcaster, witch, or werewolf or vampire. . . Except you’d have to worry about a host of problems like degenerate witch-hunters like the Vigilantes of Stendarr and other hunters. So it’s totally a dangerous place to live. They don’t call Tamriel the “Arena” for nothing.

http://www.starwars.com/news/rian-johnson-...mc%7C1147744441

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That is interesting. Not just that they are giving this guy an entire trilogy before the one movie he has already done has hit the theaters. But set in a corner of the galaxy Star Wars has not been before? Wonder if this means something focusing on The Chiss? Or Tython in the Dawn of the Je'daii era?

Great Hyperspace War?!

What was so great about it?

Schism between ancient Jedi and Dark Jedi might be cool too.

They must be incredibly stoked about The Last Jedi. The hype is building!!

So I played the campaign of Battlefront II in the pre-release
Thing EA was doing. It takes place after Return of the Jedi as you all know but the game does follow-up with canon. Sloane is mentioned for those who don’t know her and at the end we have a very nice prelude to Force Awakens!!

Thanks for the update DE! I am glad to hear they have not forgotten about Sloane. She was very prominent in the early new canon books, but after the Chuck Wendig's Aftermath trilogy it felt like they had forgotten about her. I am still really curious to learn what happened to her between then and The Force Awakens.

That was really surprising about Iden and Del. I did not see that coming. It seems an odd choice simply from a design perspective. We have had other games like Tie Fighter where we played from the Imp side, without ever doing something like that. It does not really seem like a good move to me. One reason people are going to buy this game is because it allows you to play Impie. But this sort of flies in the face of that.

In other news I finished reading Inferno Squad and Thrawn. Neither one really did a lot for me. The writing in each was top notch. They are written by Christie Golden and Tim Zahn after all, two writers who really know their craft.

But the problem for me is that both are written from the Imperial side, making their protagonists anti-heroes. Now I like a good anti-hero. I have always been a fan of the Punisher, Michael Moorcock's Elric, Karl Edward Wagner's Kane, etc... My favorite gaming character Persephone is an anti-hero herself.

Yet to make an anti-hero work, you have to make sure whomever they are pitted against is even worse than than the anti-hero is. The Punisher is taking on the mafia, Kingpin, and so on. Elric fought the gods of Chaos, Kane was pitted against a whole slew of chilling elder races, monsters, and bloodthristy zealots.

At first I thought Inferno Squad would work fine, because they were taking on the remnants of Saw Gerrera's partisans. While the partisans fought the Empire, they were definitely not good guys. Rebel Rising (the story of Jyn Erso pre-Rogue One), showed that very clearly.

But even being terrorists, the partisans still have the moral high ground over the Empire. This was made very clear by Iden after the destruction of Alderaan. She had a little regret, but remembered the words of her father - "The child of a rebel may be a child yet, but we must look to the future. It will grow up to be an enemy. And our enemies must be destroyed." Iden believed that, and ultimately had no moral issues with the murder of the millions of children on Alderaan.

This comes into sharp focus when later the partisans plan to bomb a factory opening celebration that included hundreds of Imperial children. The leader of the partisans justified it with the same words of Iden's father. Something she noted at the time. Ultimately one of her team members went sort of rogue and subverted the bombing of the children (I am trying to avoid too many spoilers with details). But in the end it came down to the numbers game of who was the killer of more children, and the winner is the Empire hands down (even not counting Alderaan).

The other scene that really jumped out at me was when the partisans were dancing and celebrating. Iden was amazed that people who could be such cold-blooded killers one day, could feel such joy in life. She thinks: "And it’s hard for me to know that these hearts that are so full this moment can turn so cruel."

Yet Iden's heart is empty. She has no friends. She does not love life. She does not feel joy or happiness. She hates her father. She serves an Empire that destroys entire worlds, and never truly stops to think why she serves it. She is one more cog in the lethal Imperial machine. By the end she has some character development, and I think she stands as a fully realized person, rather than just a black hat drone. But it is a long time getting there. Too long IMHO, because in the end the anti-heroes are the partisans, not Iden and her crew. They are the villains, and it is disappointing seeing the villains succeed.

Thrawn was much the same, except there is an almost complete lack of moral questions at all. The books starts with Thrawn's first meeting with the Empire, and his climb up the ladder to become Grand Admiral. His main antagonist is the bigotry of the Imperial machine. He triumphs because of his brilliance. But in the process he destroys the careers of many other Imperials who support him. Something which he does not seem to really care about. He is painted as being a military genius, but rather a babe in the woods when it comes to politics. Which I think is good, because otherwise he would be too perfect a character. He is already a Marty Stu. Seriously, his near-total perfection does get annoying at times. I think a picture of Thrawn is at the top of Zahn's spank-bank.

The book also follows the career of Arhinda Pryce (the governor of Lothal in Rebels season 3 & 4). In her we see the dark side of the Empire's politics. She gains her position by betraying her friends and stabbing her allies in the back. This makes Thrawn stand out as a the noble warrior in comparison, which I think was the point. But Zahn never truly has Thrawn face the ugly reality that all of Thrawn's victories come at the expense of the people his actions are helping murder and enslave.

It is not a bad read. Neither of them are. But I could not truly care for any of the protagonists. If they died, then the galaxy would be a better place. For me that keeps the books from being great.

A leaked scene from the new J.J.Abrams Special Special Edition of Star Wars Episode 6 .

Needs more lens flare.

Thinking about starting a KotOR game. Any recommended mods for this game?

Ask and ye shale receive .

There are a bunch linked to in the Kotor topic.

Awesome, found it. Thanks for the heads up!

Anyone following the EA/Battlefront II debacle? Truly spectacular how crappy of a company EA is.