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TheCheshireKhajiit
post Dec 3 2017, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE(mirocu @ Dec 3 2017, 07:26 AM) *

This particular one is advertised as being as close to the original as it can get, and that's why I want it smile.gif

Was it forged on Japan?


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post Dec 3 2017, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 3 2017, 03:16 PM) *

QUOTE(mirocu @ Dec 3 2017, 07:26 AM) *

This particular one is advertised as being as close to the original as it can get, and that's why I want it smile.gif

Was it forged on Japan?

I don't think so, so I guess location and time are the things not authentic about it.


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post Dec 3 2017, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(mirocu @ Dec 3 2017, 08:19 AM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 3 2017, 03:16 PM) *

QUOTE(mirocu @ Dec 3 2017, 07:26 AM) *

This particular one is advertised as being as close to the original as it can get, and that's why I want it smile.gif

Was it forged on Japan?

I don't think so, so I guess location and time are the things not authentic about it.

Well the method can be done anywhere, it should be fine.


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post Sep 29 2018, 05:12 PM
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An interesting demonstration of spear vs sword, in which many variables do not come into play (as discussed during the conclusion).

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post Sep 29 2018, 05:27 PM
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I saw some links to that over the last few days too. I agree that the spear is an excellent weapon. It can be found everywhere. It is cheap and easy to produce. Perfect for arming mass levies of peasants. In the hands of someone who has trained in it, it is a very deadly weapon. Even in the hands of someone with very little training, it is still effective as long as they stand in a straight line with a few thousand other people and don't move.

But historically, when spear-based armies like the Macedonians met sword-based armies like the Romans, the spears always lose. Pydna, Cynoscephalae, etc... The spear is limited, and its very range advantage becomes a mortal disadvantage once an enemy gets past the point. Or gets around them. Swords on the other hand, have a lot more options in how to use them. They are much better at close quarters. Finally, they are ideal for armies that move and maneuver.


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post Sep 29 2018, 06:21 PM
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Spears are the “Kings of weapons” according to the Ancient Chinese, and Khajiit totally agrees. We need more games with spears as weapons.


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post Oct 28 2018, 11:47 AM
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I like to think of the spear as the melee equivalent of the Jab. Tools to both rain death from afar and to maintain distance. And while I don’t know much how well the Spear is regarded in its own community, most striking systems regard the Jab as *the* most important part of a striker’s arsenal. Just so versatile and important. Makes me tear up just thinking about it, tbh.

Funny you guys are talking about Spears tho. I’m on a Carthage/Greek binge rn, and I’ve been watching a whole lot of documentaries/reading stuff about them, particularly the former.

Anyway I’m just here to articulate my Appreciation for the melee weapon that is the Falcata. I posted about it earlier in this thread, but damn! That sword is one sexy fella!


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post Oct 28 2018, 01:53 PM
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Khajiit thinks it’s telling that just before firearms became the main weapon of soldiers, massed pikes made a comeback as the dominant force on European battlefields. Even after muskets became standard, what did they do? Put a frickin’ metal spike on the end of it!


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post Oct 28 2018, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Oct 28 2018, 01:53 PM) *

Khajiit thinks it’s telling that just before firearms became the main weapon of soldiers, massed pikes made a comeback as the dominant force on European battlefields. Even after muskets became standard, what did they do? Put a frickin’ metal spike on the end of it!

Old habits Die Hard™ biggrin.gif


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post Oct 28 2018, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Oct 28 2018, 08:53 AM) *

Khajiit thinks it’s telling that just before firearms became the main weapon of soldiers, massed pikes made a comeback as the dominant force on European battlefields. Even after muskets became standard, what did they do? Put a frickin’ metal spike on the end of it!

The pike, and the bayonet, became so prevalent because spears are an effective deterrent to cavalry. Unlike in movies, in real life horses will not impale themselves upon a row of spears. So to defend against cavalry, infantry would simply stand still and put out their spears. In the time of muskets they would fix bayonets and the do the same. They even developed circular formations like the schiltrom and later squares so the cavalry could not ride around them and charge them from behind. The British did this to great effect at Waterloo.

Though it should be noted that once you do this, you are entirely on the defensive. A schiltrom or bayonet square cannot move. The muskets could not even be fired, because the early bayonets were of the plug type. They literally plugged into the end of the barrel. So it basically becomes a standoff. The cavalry cannot get at you because of the spears/bayonets. But you cannot get at the cavalry because you are trapped in a static formation that cannot move (if it tries to move, then gaps will form in the spear hedge. The cavalry will exploit them, charge in, and literally kill everyone).


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post Oct 28 2018, 04:44 PM
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Related to all of this, here is an article for the Spanish infantry formation known as a Tercio.


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post Oct 28 2018, 05:15 PM
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Speaking of swords, the long held view that in RL it is impractical to carry them on the back is apparently beginning to be reassessed. Here's one of a number of recent videos discussing this.

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post Oct 28 2018, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE(Decrepit @ Oct 28 2018, 11:15 AM) *

Speaking of swords, the long held view that in RL it is impractical to carried them on the back is apparently beginning to be reassessed. Here's one of a number of recent videos discussing this.

It makes sense for weight distribution while traveling and maybe certain other situations, so depending on what a fighter would be doing while in the field, a back sheathe could be useful. This one definitely doesn’t see a common frontline soldier needing something like this, but a scout might find it useful. Khajiit figured for it to be viable that it would require a special “back sheathe” attached to the baldric. This one would like to point out that the guy still had a really hard time getting it back in maybe 50-75% of the time once he drew it, but the design does seem solid so Khajiit sees no reason why ancient-medieval craftsmen couldn’t have come up with a similar design.


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post Oct 28 2018, 06:56 PM
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I have seen some of these vids purporting back-sheathing to be viable, but have not taken the time to watch them yet. One thing that I do recall in an old vid of Skallgrim's was that he mentioned you could always take a sheathed sword and hang it (with the sheath and swordbelt) over one shoulder, the same way as rifle. It would not be ideal for any kind of quick draw, but it does strike me as a comfortable way to carry a greatsword over long distances.


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post Oct 28 2018, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Oct 28 2018, 12:56 PM) *

I have seen some of these vids purporting back-sheathing to be viable, but have not taken the time to watch them yet. One thing that I do recall in an old vid of Skallgrim's was that he mentioned you could always take a sheathed sword and hang it (with the sheath and swordbelt) over one shoulder, the same way as rifle. It would not be ideal for any kind of quick draw, but it does strike me as a comfortable way to carry a greatsword over long distances.

This.


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QUOTE(Decrepit @ Oct 28 2018, 12:15 PM) *

Speaking of swords, the long held view that in RL it is impractical to carried them on the back is apparently beginning to be reassessed. Here's one of a number of recent videos discussing this.

I finally did see it. Interesting, and very brilliant scabbard he invented in order to draw a longsword from his back. Of course the very fact that had to invent something new to make it possible does not invalidate the statement that in real life, people did not do this. Because no one had that custom scabbard of his in Medieval Europe, or the Roman Mediterranean, etc... But in his defense, he does point out that the ideal use for this is not in a historical setting, but rather in a fictional Fantasy setting. I agree that it is indeed ideal for adventurers, from Geralt to Aragorn.


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post Dec 11 2018, 12:41 AM
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Recently been watching videos from a TY channel focusing on various aspects of medieval soldiery I don't recall having come across before. Here's an episode titled Weapons: What Did Knights Use? I doubt anything seen here will be new to readers of this thread, but it is well made and entertaining.


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post Dec 11 2018, 12:52 AM
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The polite and friendly Denethor! Hahaha I watched his videos before, his series on medieval food, and that guy’s just jubilant! Glad to see a fellow Chorrolesterol enjoying him too.


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post Dec 11 2018, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Dec 10 2018, 05:52 PM) *

The polite and friendly Denethor! Hahaha I watched his videos before, his series on medieval food, and that guy’s just jubilant! Glad to see a fellow Chorrolesterol enjoying him too.

Well Khajiit would be jubilant too if he got to play around with swords and [censored] all day laugh.gif


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post Dec 11 2018, 05:50 AM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Dec 11 2018, 09:21 AM) *

QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Dec 10 2018, 05:52 PM) *

The polite and friendly Denethor! Hahaha I watched his videos before, his series on medieval food, and that guy’s just jubilant! Glad to see a fellow Chorrolesterol enjoying him too.

Well Khajiit would be jubilant too if he got to play around with swords and [censored] all day laugh.gif

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