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post Apr 19 2020, 02:58 PM
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That error is tied to the graphics performance- unfortunately. What happens is, the computer uses CPU resources to supplement whatever the graphics card is handling.

When the performance slows- it CAN be a sign of overheating... you can open up the side panel (on a standard upright tower model) to get more airflow...

And there are also some settings you can change to improve performance- turning off hardware acceleration comes to mind....

https://www.wikihow.com/Turn-Off-Hardware-Acceleration


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post Apr 19 2020, 03:33 PM
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Another possibility, especially if you're having to turn settings way down, is that you're not actually using the new card! Some of the GTX1650's don't have the connectors for VGA or DVI, only the later HDMI and Display port sockets. So you may have plugged the monitor in to the only place it would fit, and got the on-board graphics instead.

If that's the case, an adapter cable will fix it, and you'll get the performance you expect.

If that setting that Treydog pointed to is present, then you likely do have on-board low-power graphics.

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QUOTE(treydog @ Apr 19 2020, 09:58 AM) *

That error is tied to the graphics performance- unfortunately. What happens is, the computer uses CPU resources to supplement whatever the graphics card is handling.

When the performance slows- it CAN be a sign of overheating... you can open up the side panel (on a standard upright tower model) to get more airflow...

And there are also some settings you can change to improve performance- turning off hardware acceleration comes to mind....

https://www.wikihow.com/Turn-Off-Hardware-Acceleration


I couldn't find any thing that mentioned acceleration; it only shows choices for using "video player" or "Nvidia" settings = and I don't know which settings I should have that set to; but right now it is set for Video Player.







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Another possibility, especially if you're having to turn settings way down, is that you're not actually using the new card! Some of the GTX1650's don't have the connectors for VGA or DVI, only the later HDMI and Display port sockets. So you may have plugged the monitor in to the only place it would fit, and got the on-board graphics instead.

If that's the case, an adapter cable will fix it, and you'll get the performance you expect.

If that setting that Treydog pointed to is present, then you likely do have on-board low-power graphics.


Okay; I am not sure how to see if that is the problem = but I actually was wondering if they ever reverted the BIOS back to pulling just off the Nvidia; because I changed it to "use Integrated graphics" when my GPU crashed before just to get online and try and trouble shoot the problem. I probably should check that and see if the shop set it back right. If they didn't; do I need to bring it back to them to see what the problem is?

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post Apr 19 2020, 09:25 PM
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I looked at the BIOS; it is not only still set up for integrated graphics (64 mb allotted) = but it is also set up for multiple screens although I only use one.

The primary graphics slot doesn't mention the GPU itself; it says "activate connector," and If I turn off the multi-screen function it automatically shuts down the integrated graphics and shows no GPU at all. Urk. I backed out without saving the changes; didn't know what to do.

I checked the Device Manager display devices = it showed both the GTX 1650 and the built in Integrated graphics (Intel HD Graphics 4600).





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post Apr 19 2020, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 19 2020, 03:25 PM) *

I looked at the BIOS; it is not only still set up for integrated graphics (64 mb allotted) = but it is also set up for multiple screens although I only use one.

The primary graphics slot doesn't mention the GPU itself; it says "activate connector," and If I turn off the multi-screen function it automatically shuts down the integrated graphics and shows no GPU at all. Urk. I backed out without saving the changes; didn't know what to do.

I checked the Device Manager display devices = it showed both the GTX 1650 and the built in Integrated graphics (Intel HD Graphics 4600).

If your PC tells you it is running 'integrated graphics' and shows a picture on your monitor, it 'almost' certainly means your monitor is physically connected to the PC's integrated graphics socket. You need to switch the monitor cable to a socket on the Nvidia GPU. I recall that your monitor is quite old. If it lacks a proper receptacle to accept the output-socket cables provided by Nvidia, adapters are dirt-cheap and readily available.

Countering this is that if you need such an adapter surely whoever did 'repairs' would have provided, or at least mentioned, it. Then again, assuming you took in only the PC and didn't mention that your monitor uses only old-style connections, I can fully understand them not thinking to ask you about it, as such monitors are nowadays few and far between. This of course assumes I'm correct about a possible GPU-monitor cable mismatch, which might not be the case.

Hmmm...maybe... No, never mind. It's still entirely possible you simply need to move the existing cable connected to the Nvidia GPU input. Then again...

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post Apr 19 2020, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(Decrepit @ Apr 19 2020, 04:46 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 19 2020, 03:25 PM) *

I looked at the BIOS; it is not only still set up for integrated graphics (64 mb allotted) = but it is also set up for multiple screens although I only use one.

The primary graphics slot doesn't mention the GPU itself; it says "activate connector," and If I turn off the multi-screen function it automatically shuts down the integrated graphics and shows no GPU at all. Urk. I backed out without saving the changes; didn't know what to do.

I checked the Device Manager display devices = it showed both the GTX 1650 and the built in Integrated graphics (Intel HD Graphics 4600).

If your PC tells you it is running 'integrated graphics' and shows a picture on your monitor, it 'almost' certainly means your monitor is physically connected to the PC's integrated graphics socket. You need to switch the monitor cable to a socket on the Nvidia GPU. I recall that your monitor is quite old. If it lacks a proper receptacle to accept the output-socket cables provided by Nvidia, adapters are dirt-cheap and readily available.

Countering this is that if you need such an adapter surely whoever did 'repairs' would have provided, or at least mentioned, it. Then again, assuming you took in only the PC and didn't mention that your monitor uses only old-style connections, I can fully understand them not thinking to ask you about it, as such monitors are nowadays few and far between. This of course assumes I'm correct about a possible GPU-monitor cable mismatch, which might not be the case.

Hmmm...maybe... No, never mind. It's still entirely possible you simply need to move the existing cable connected to the Nvidia GPU input. Then again...


No, I brought both the PC and Monitor and all connectors in to the shop (to have them check the monitor just in case).

Would the BIOS automatically set itself up for an additional monitor and on Integrated or would the repair shop have to have done that?




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post Apr 19 2020, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 19 2020, 04:46 PM) *

QUOTE(Decrepit @ Apr 19 2020, 04:46 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 19 2020, 03:25 PM) *

I looked at the BIOS; it is not only still set up for integrated graphics (64 mb allotted) = but it is also set up for multiple screens although I only use one.

The primary graphics slot doesn't mention the GPU itself; it says "activate connector," and If I turn off the multi-screen function it automatically shuts down the integrated graphics and shows no GPU at all. Urk. I backed out without saving the changes; didn't know what to do.

I checked the Device Manager display devices = it showed both the GTX 1650 and the built in Integrated graphics (Intel HD Graphics 4600).

If your PC tells you it is running 'integrated graphics' and shows a picture on your monitor, it 'almost' certainly means your monitor is physically connected to the PC's integrated graphics socket. You need to switch the monitor cable to a socket on the Nvidia GPU. I recall that your monitor is quite old. If it lacks a proper receptacle to accept the output-socket cables provided by Nvidia, adapters are dirt-cheap and readily available.

Countering this is that if you need such an adapter surely whoever did 'repairs' would have provided, or at least mentioned, it. Then again, assuming you took in only the PC and didn't mention that your monitor uses only old-style connections, I can fully understand them not thinking to ask you about it, as such monitors are nowadays few and far between. This of course assumes I'm correct about a possible GPU-monitor cable mismatch, which might not be the case.

Hmmm...maybe... No, never mind. It's still entirely possible you simply need to move the existing cable connected to the Nvidia GPU input. Then again...


No, I brought both the PC and Monitor and all connectors in to the shop (to have them check the monitor just in case).

Would the BIOS automatically set itself up for an additional monitor and on Integrated or would the repair shop have to have done that?

BIOS settings can vary. Mine, for instance, offers three settings for its integrated graphics chip: 1) enabled/on, 2) disabled/off, 3) Automatic (switches between GPU and integrated as needed). Whether your BIOS offers those three options I can not say. It might offer only enabled/disabled. Or something different. I'll read back through your earlier posts about this and see if I missed something.

Here's a thought. Right-click your desktop. It should bring up a menu with the option "Nvidia Control Panel." Open it. At the Panel's lower left corner should be "System Information." Open that. The new Panel should show your GPU and which of its drivers is installed.

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post Apr 20 2020, 12:01 AM
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Can you take a picture of the back of your PC and show it to us?


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post Apr 20 2020, 12:03 AM
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I just made a mess. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 19 2020, 07:01 PM) *

Can you take a picture of the back of your PC and show it to us?

This. If we can see which connections are there- and which one is being used for the monitor- we will know if it just a matter of moving the monitor cable to a different port.


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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 19 2020, 07:03 PM) *

Wow, look at those old IDE ribbon cables. That must be an old computer.


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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 19 2020, 07:11 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Apr 19 2020, 07:03 PM) *

Wow, look at those old IDE ribbon cables. That must be an old computer.

Circa 2003, I guess. It was a Dell.


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post Apr 20 2020, 01:46 AM
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QUOTE(Decrepit @ Apr 19 2020, 06:31 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 19 2020, 04:46 PM) *

QUOTE(Decrepit @ Apr 19 2020, 04:46 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 19 2020, 03:25 PM) *

I looked at the BIOS; it is not only still set up for integrated graphics (64 mb allotted) = but it is also set up for multiple screens although I only use one.

The primary graphics slot doesn't mention the GPU itself; it says "activate connector," and If I turn off the multi-screen function it automatically shuts down the integrated graphics and shows no GPU at all. Urk. I backed out without saving the changes; didn't know what to do.

I checked the Device Manager display devices = it showed both the GTX 1650 and the built in Integrated graphics (Intel HD Graphics 4600).

If your PC tells you it is running 'integrated graphics' and shows a picture on your monitor, it 'almost' certainly means your monitor is physically connected to the PC's integrated graphics socket. You need to switch the monitor cable to a socket on the Nvidia GPU. I recall that your monitor is quite old. If it lacks a proper receptacle to accept the output-socket cables provided by Nvidia, adapters are dirt-cheap and readily available.

Countering this is that if you need such an adapter surely whoever did 'repairs' would have provided, or at least mentioned, it. Then again, assuming you took in only the PC and didn't mention that your monitor uses only old-style connections, I can fully understand them not thinking to ask you about it, as such monitors are nowadays few and far between. This of course assumes I'm correct about a possible GPU-monitor cable mismatch, which might not be the case.

Hmmm...maybe... No, never mind. It's still entirely possible you simply need to move the existing cable connected to the Nvidia GPU input. Then again...


No, I brought both the PC and Monitor and all connectors in to the shop (to have them check the monitor just in case).

Would the BIOS automatically set itself up for an additional monitor and on Integrated or would the repair shop have to have done that?

BIOS settings can vary. Mine, for instance, offers three settings for its integrated graphics chip: 1) enabled/on, 2) disabled/off, 3) Automatic (switches between GPU and integrated as needed). Whether your BIOS offers those three options I can not say. It might offer only enabled/disabled. Or something different. I'll read back through your earlier posts about this and see if I missed something.

Here's a thought. Right-click your desktop. It should bring up a menu with the option "Nvidia Control Panel." Open it. At the Panel's lower left corner should be "System Information." Open that. The new Panel should show your GPU and which of its drivers is installed.


Okay, here is what it said:


https://imgur.com/a/iXswFXp







QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 19 2020, 07:01 PM) *

Can you take a picture of the back of your PC and show it to us?



I don't have a way to take a pic of it; but it does look different back there since it came back from the shop than it did when I sent it there. It is missing one of those slot covers and the place where you hook up the monitor and HDMI cable seems to look different now. (and not just because it is cleaner since the shop worked on it).






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GAAAAAH!!! Not on that gorgeous carpet! Won't the rug get lint onto the computer parts?






QUOTE(treydog @ Apr 19 2020, 07:55 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Apr 19 2020, 07:01 PM) *

Can you take a picture of the back of your PC and show it to us?

This. If we can see which connections are there- and which one is being used for the monitor- we will know if it just a matter of moving the monitor cable to a different port.


There is only one place for THIS monitor to hook to it; this monitor has those really old connectors = sort of like the blue one on the left here; except older; flatter; wider:


https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/edecfe33-a...mp;odnBg=ffffff


and the back of the monitor only has one place for that hookup.



QUOTE(Decrepit @ Apr 19 2020, 06:31 PM) *

BIOS settings can vary. Mine, for instance, offers three settings for its integrated graphics chip: 1) enabled/on, 2) disabled/off, 3) Automatic (switches between GPU and integrated as needed). Whether your BIOS offers those three options I can not say. It might offer only enabled/disabled. Or something different. I'll read back through your earlier posts about this and see if I missed something.

Here's a thought. Right-click your desktop. It should bring up a menu with the option "Nvidia Control Panel." Open it. At the Panel's lower left corner should be "System Information." Open that. The new Panel should show your GPU and which of its drivers is installed.


My BIOS only offers the options to Enable or Disable; that is it.

But someone mentioned (and I can't seem to find it right now) = someone mentioned that if the Device Manager showed a picture of the monitor by the Integrated Graphics that it was being used =

It is showing a picture of the monitor in front of BOTH the GTX 1650 and the Intel HD 4600.




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post Apr 20 2020, 03:17 AM
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If you found Device Manager, then look at the Monitors entry. Double click on the device and it pops up a dialog that tells you its Location: I.e. which adapter it's plugged into.

E.g. on my system: it looks like this. (without the red box, ofcourse)

When I checked the images of all the GTX1650 cards on the nVidia site, none of them had VGA connectors (the blue ones), and half didn't have DVI (the white ones) either.

And yes, that's an older card then your defunct one. It probably is lasting well because it's on the liquid-cooling circuit. I have two of them, and even back then, it came with DVI/HDMI/Display Port sockets, but no VGA.

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QUOTE(ghastley @ Apr 19 2020, 10:17 PM) *

If you found Device Manager, then look at the Monitors entry. Double click on the device and it pops up a dialog that tells you its Location: I.e. which adapter it's plugged into.

E.g. on my system: it looks like this. (without the red box, ofcourse)

When I checked the images of all the GTX1650 cards on the nVidia site, none of them had VGA connectors (the blue ones), and half didn't have DVI (the white ones) either.

And yes, that's an older card then your defunct one. It probably is lasting well because it's on the liquid-cooling circuit. I have two of them, and even back then, it came with DVI/HDMI/Display Port sockets, but no VGA.


I don't know what it would have said before; because several hours ago I went into the BIOS advanced settings and disabled the integrated graphics and the "Multiple Monitors" setting = got back in game and instead of all the low settings I was able to put it on Medium = it played just fine and it looked A LOT better! So I think that was the problem. I don't know why he had it set up like that; but I don't think it was using everything the NVidia card had to offer the way it was set up = maybe that is why it was "slowing down" my computer and making me use just basic colors yesterday.



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Spent much of yesterday afternoon 'updating' my secondary PC's Win10 install to v1909 plus fixes. Did little with that computer afterward other than check to see if I needed to reset custom settings...I didn't. My main PC still runs v1903. I'll not force it to update.

Also uploaded a 21min 1440p YouTube video (via my primary PC). I knew it was gonna take extra time at that length, so started early, somewhere between 1815-1830. It didn't finish uploading until roughly 0630 this morning. Twelve whole hours for 21mins of viewing. With my internet worthless for anything else that whole time. Even now (roughly 0920), HD (high-definition) mode isn't processed. The video isn't scheduled to go public until tomorrow morning, so breathing room. To the plus, the internet portion of my AT&T monthly bill is around $35US, and allows me all the YouTube video watching, at 1080p, I can realistically consume within a given billing period without coming anywhere close to my data cap.

Almost forgot my original reason to post this. Installed a new (to me) Firefox add-on yesterday, on the secondary PC (before 'updating' it). It purports to de-mainstream YouTube, an aim greatly to my liking. Its goal is for mainstream news channels and etc. to no longer appear among search results. I gave it only a short audition (but left it installed). Results were underwhelming. However, the add-on is fairly recent. It'll hopefully improve.

ADDENDUM: the video's HD mode finished processing sometime before 1000.

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Spent much of yesterday afternoon 'updating' my secondary PC's Win10 install to v1909 plus fixes. Did little with that computer afterward other than check to see if I needed to reset custom settings...I didn't. My main PC still runs v1903. I'll not force it to update.

Glad to see you taking care of your backup too, Decrepit! Took mine out for a spin last Saturday and it feels great knowning it's up-to-date on browser, savegames, antivirus etc smile.gif


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QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 20 2020, 01:00 AM) *

QUOTE(ghastley @ Apr 19 2020, 10:17 PM) *

If you found Device Manager, then look at the Monitors entry. Double click on the device and it pops up a dialog that tells you its Location: I.e. which adapter it's plugged into.

E.g. on my system: it looks like this. (without the red box, ofcourse)

When I checked the images of all the GTX1650 cards on the nVidia site, none of them had VGA connectors (the blue ones), and half didn't have DVI (the white ones) either.

And yes, that's an older card then your defunct one. It probably is lasting well because it's on the liquid-cooling circuit. I have two of them, and even back then, it came with DVI/HDMI/Display Port sockets, but no VGA.


I don't know what it would have said before; because several hours ago I went into the BIOS advanced settings and disabled the integrated graphics and the "Multiple Monitors" setting = got back in game and instead of all the low settings I was able to put it on Medium = it played just fine and it looked A LOT better! So I think that was the problem. I don't know why he had it set up like that; but I don't think it was using everything the NVidia card had to offer the way it was set up = maybe that is why it was "slowing down" my computer and making me use just basic colors yesterday.


Well, this did not fix the issue; the computer continues having the problem/warning that the computer was "slowing down" and keeps having me shut down the color scheme to the lowest setting (even though I haven't changed it since the last warning). So far it only happens when I am playing ESO; but ...

Anyway; I called the shop yesterday. They want me to bring it back in. It is supposed to have 16 gig of RAM without even counting the dedicated memory that the new graphics card is supposed to have = it should not be doing this.

So it looks like I'm going to be without my PC again starting Monday. verysad.gif






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Aww, sorry, mALX. I hope your puter's visit to the shoppe is quick and productive.


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@mALX

I tried looking over old posts on this topic but didn't notice the one where you first mention getting "slowing down" messages. Refresh me. What program is telling you that?

I begin to wonder if you run a piece of misbehaving software, or have a virus or maleware. Something seems fishy with Firefox totally disappearing and Chrome not working. I can't think of any reason for that beyond foul play. Also, who or what is the 'repair shop' you take your PC to?


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