Back to the olypics, Canada got the 2012 (either that or 2010) winter olympics! I hope we can get another gold in hockey, las winter olympics we got one in womans and one in mens.

Yea I know im supposed to be gone but... the sound of a thread calling for help was heard! I have come to the resuce with the news that we should only use this thread for discussions about... political dicisions and all that other junk. Please take some time and look through the thread to see the diffrences of past discussions and the one we seem to be undertaking right now. You'll see what I mean.

If you would like to post somthing like the one above me please do so in the Coffee shop.

I take my leave now. *dissapears back into the shadows... after saying hello to Rane*

This post has been edited by jonajosa: Jul 13 2005, 04:40 PM

Hoah..

Anyways, it seems all is quiet on the political front right now.. (That or I haven't seen the news in like 10 days...)

Awww.....no hello for me????????

Anywho....we´ll behave..I promise....cross my heart..

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/po...itics-headlines

Strangely, it makes me laugh.

What are your views?

If it doesn't represent the views of the Chinese govt., then silly general. If it does, then silly China.

Nuclear war is more irresponsible than anything else, particularly over something as trivial as Taiwan. Clearly China is the aggressor, yet it would resort to using nuclear weapons to further its aggression because it thinks the USA is out of place. Stupidity that.

I'm thinking the general is wrong. China is not ignorant or uninformed. Such a policy would destroy earth.

`Of particular concern to the United States, she said, was the pace of China's military buildup.` Condoleezza Rice

I find it funny that a country that has declared war on two countries for questionable reasons can be concerned of "Military buildup".

You won't be laughing when I drag your butt out of some rubble when the chinese army decided they want to capture your town. I say bring it on. Theres to much pressure on china that they wouldn't use nukes unless they wanted every europeon nation(and russia, south korea and japan) sending in forces to shut them down.

For now... Ill just sit here planting mines on the california coast waiting for those commie #@$%@^&*. *shakes fist in western direction*

Whoa! Calm down Jona!

I agree with Red on this. I always feel slightly confused when the US condemns any country which starts a nuclear program, when the US itself has a very large nuclear capability. Just because a country develops nukes doesn't necessarily develop them for offense - they are more of a safeguard against other countries with nuclear capability. The US themselves developed nukes to counter germany's imminent nuclear capability in WW2, but now other countries build nukes to counter the US, it's suddenly wrong. In my opinion, the US needs to change it's outlook on international policy - the US is just another country, like all the other countries in the world, including it's political enemies. The US needs to understand that it is not automatically right when it comes to foreign policy.

I am completely calm.

WE don't have a problem with some countries making nukes. Its when dictators or unstable countries start to make them. South Korea needs to stop because their tension with neighboring countries is strung to tight. All it would take is one bullet to come flying across the DM zone and boom! Suddenly everything within 1000miles of Seoul is "ashland". Same with Iraq. We needed to shut thwm down early before we had a war between Iran and Iraq that could cause millions of deaths.

Civies also need to understand that policy is flushed down the drain when you have a country threatening you with war.

When they say "reinvent yourself every day", did they mean "reinvent your reason for going to war every day" as well? Sorry for being so direct, but everyone knows what this war was fought for and that it had nothing whatsoever to do with bringing democracy to anyone, or eliminating a threat.

As far I remember, the only country that has been threating (and actually carrying out) large scale war recently has been the US, dragging various members of the EU with it (stupid Blair, he should learn to say "no" to Bush). I mean, 2 recent wars declared, both with questionable motives and both failling the initial objectives - bin Laden was not found, and neither were Iraq's WMDs. 2 wars, no results, lots of people dead for no reason.

So we have another anti Bush here too. I suggest that untill you or anyone knows exactly whats going on here or in Afganistan should keep their mouths shut and at least try and get a full picture.

Trust me. I don't sit here on my butt all day telling over 3000 men when to kill and when to not to for a false reason. We all know what were here for and that were doing what were supposed to do. It doesn't matter what you foreign civies may think about our country or our people. Im gonna tell you right now that im here to kick terrorist butt and restore peace. And if any of you euro or asian people wanna try and stop us why don't you drag your sorry butt down here and bring it on.

Overall point. Take a walk in my shoes for a few days and then tell me what you think. Untill then, Think about what your saying.




You must have short term memory or you don't watch the news because apparently youre to wrapped up in what you think our are countrys own problems to take a short look out into the world and see what the other "bad guys" are doing.(Stupid French, need to learn how to conduct and win a war. )

ARE YOU SAYING THE WAR WITH AFGANISTAN WAS QUESTIONABLE???? I can't belive what im hearing. Let the terrorist get away with killing over ten thousand people? So what if Osama hasn't been caught. He will be soon though. No one can run forever.

Iraq WMDs are in syria and everyone here knows it. LET ME TELL YOU SOMTHGING. MY men DID NOT die for no reason. I suggest you go into deep thought about what you have just said.

This post has been edited by jonajosa: Jul 20 2005, 08:25 PM

You're not even trying to argue, are you? You're just evoking stereotypes and blurting random patriotism. And if I say I don't agree with your country's foreign policy, I'm an anti-Bush ranter and generally anti-american, huh?

You're naive if you think the geostrategic importance of Iraq had nothing to do with the war. The reasons given by your country's goverment were poor, but all in all - from a purely geostrategic and capitalistic stance - there were a lot of arguments for and few against this war.

If you can't see that or don't agree with me, ok. I can respect that. But please spare me the "try walking in my shoes" sermon.

Tell you what, I'm going to edit this comment to include this. Jona, you have every right to your opinion, and I'm not going to try and change it. I do not like it though, when you challenge the right of other people to post theirs. I've never jumped on one of your posts before when you were expressing your beliefs. Please don't jump on anybody elses that don't agree with yours, ok?

You have a right. But when your not presenting your facts rght or "rambling" about things you've had no experiance in what were talking about then... I would want you to shut up and listen to someone who has.



I would tell you to get a real picture of whats going on.



And what are your reasons for not going to war here. Are you willing to put the lives of millions of pepole on the line because you wanted to wait untill a nuke popped out of a silo to go to war.



I see and understand more than you on this subject from experiance. Yes I respect your thoughts also. But as i have told Burntsierra, I don't like it when people begin to talk like their experts on others situations. Sometimes wothers need to walk in anothers shoes to finally understand what their talking about is right or wrong.

For me? I have been a civie and a soldier. I have been both and seen both. So when you tell me i don't understand whats going on and that im wrong I get mad.

you might have missed this part, but guess what, it turns out Iraq had no nuclear weapons whatsoever.



not having seen all of this first hand, does not mean someone's opinion is less valid I think.



well again, people tend to have different opinions you having one that's different from the opinions of others, doesn't mean you're wrong and doesn't mean they're wrong.
an opinion can hardly ever be wrong.

and it might be me, but I saw no one besides you, accusing someone else of not understanding what's going on.

And you think because you're a gear in an enormous machinery, you understand it all? A soldier may be better at understanding the the workings of war, but does he better understand the reasons? I doubt it.

I can see why you think you do, though. Reflecting on such matters is not good for a solider, as it may lead to understandings in direct contradiction with the soldier's existance.

I don't think this is going anywhere though, so let's not dwell on it.

First let me say the same to both of you. You have deeply insulted me just now. Just because I fight for whats right(or wrong in yalls opinion) mean I am oblivious to what goes on around me. Is that how both of you think of soldiers? Stupid little mindless droids who only carry out whats told of them? Am i not supposed to reflect on these matter? Am I supposed to just ignore whats going on around me?

This is what im talking about. No understanding from my point of view.





This post has been edited by jonajosa: Jul 20 2005, 08:53 PM

now you're just putting words into our mouths,

can't speak for star, but I don't think that's the best way to have a discussion.