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Lena Wolf
post Jun 23 2023, 06:25 PM
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I have been busy this morning trying to do as much research as possible on transferring my almost full SSD boot drive to a bigger SSD. So far I’ve learned how to reset my 250gb SSD to factory, and have seen some things on cloning drives, but apparently this has to be done through the use of certain third party software. Anyone here familiar with this process?

My ‘C’ drive is 250gb and it was getting full. Cloning the drive was to a partition on a larger SSD was tempting. However since I now had two drives what I decided on doing was to add the second larger SSD drive ‘E’ and then copy and reassign the Windows folders Documents and Pictures folders to it. While I was at it I added another large SSD ‘F’ and reassigned all my game files to it. After ensuring all files copied correctly I then deleted the ‘C’ drive folders and pointed Windows to look for the folders on the new drive. Doing that cut the ‘C’ drive usage in half.

I hope that makes sense.

Hmmm, interesting. So you basically just copy and paste all of the windows folders into a new drive? If that is correct, how do you tell windows to start using the new drive?

Yes, I've done the same thing! To redirect it, open Explorer, go This PC, then right-click Downloads, Documents or whatever you want to redirect, select Properties. In the dialogue box that opens, select Location tab and choose the new location. It really helps not to have your pictures and stuff on your C: drive!


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post Jun 23 2023, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE(Lena Wolf @ Jun 23 2023, 12:25 PM) *

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I have been busy this morning trying to do as much research as possible on transferring my almost full SSD boot drive to a bigger SSD. So far I’ve learned how to reset my 250gb SSD to factory, and have seen some things on cloning drives, but apparently this has to be done through the use of certain third party software. Anyone here familiar with this process?

My ‘C’ drive is 250gb and it was getting full. Cloning the drive was to a partition on a larger SSD was tempting. However since I now had two drives what I decided on doing was to add the second larger SSD drive ‘E’ and then copy and reassign the Windows folders Documents and Pictures folders to it. While I was at it I added another large SSD ‘F’ and reassigned all my game files to it. After ensuring all files copied correctly I then deleted the ‘C’ drive folders and pointed Windows to look for the folders on the new drive. Doing that cut the ‘C’ drive usage in half.

I hope that makes sense.

Hmmm, interesting. So you basically just copy and paste all of the windows folders into a new drive? If that is correct, how do you tell windows to start using the new drive?

Yes, I've done the same thing! To redirect it, open Explorer, go This PC, then right-click Downloads, Documents or whatever you want to redirect, select Properties. In the dialogue box that opens, select Location tab and choose the new location. It really helps not to have your pictures and stuff on your C: drive!

Oh ok! So then you can just delete it off your c:drive?


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post Jun 23 2023, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jun 23 2023, 06:53 PM) *

Oh ok! So then you can just delete it off your c:drive?

That's the idea! biggrin.gif


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post Jun 23 2023, 07:12 PM
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Oh ok! So then you can just delete it off your c:drive?

That's the idea! biggrin.gif

And you could do this with all the major windows folders?


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post Jun 23 2023, 07:42 PM
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Oh ok! So then you can just delete it off your c:drive?

That's the idea! biggrin.gif

And you could do this with all the major windows folders?

Yes, I moved Documents, Downloads, Pictures, Videos and Music. I think it's probably better not to touch Desktop, but maybe I'm just paranoid. smile.gif

My C: drive is only 118GB, and it still has 77GB free. My E: drive is 465GB and it has only 83GB free... uh-oh.

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post Jun 23 2023, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE(Lena Wolf @ Jun 23 2023, 01:42 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jun 23 2023, 07:12 PM) *

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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jun 23 2023, 06:53 PM) *

Oh ok! So then you can just delete it off your c:drive?

That's the idea! biggrin.gif

And you could do this with all the major windows folders?

Yes, I moved Documents, Downloads, Pictures, Videos and Music. I think it's probably better not to touch Desktop, but maybe I'm just paranoid. smile.gif

My C: drive is only 118GB, and it still has 77GB free. My E: drive is 465GB and it has only 83GB free... uh-oh.

Uh oh indeed! laugh.gif

You and Macole have given me a lot to think about. I appreciate the info y’all have provided.

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post Jun 23 2023, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE(Lena Wolf @ Jun 23 2023, 01:42 PM) *

[My C: drive is only 118GB, and it still has 77GB free. My E: drive is 465GB and it has only 83GB free... uh-oh.

Time to get a 2T SSD for all those TWMP mods, me thinks.


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post Jun 25 2023, 05:32 PM
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Khajiit unboxed his new pc case (Phanteks Enthoo Pro) this morning. I knew it would be roomier than the current pc case (Cooler Master HAF 912), but really underestimated how much of a difference those extra few inches would make. The thing looks massive compared to the HAF 912! Spent most of the morning getting acquainted with how the interior is laid out and tinkering with the frame to see what can be easily removed and what can’t. I’m very pleased with it, and can hardly wait to start transferring my components into it. That will be a project for maybe next weekend.

I’m trying to decide if I want to bother installing the optical drive. I haven’t used it in fairly long while.


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post Jun 25 2023, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jun 25 2023, 05:32 PM) *

I’m trying to decide if I want to bother installing the optical drive. I haven’t used it in fairly long while.

If you have room, install it. Because if you don't, the moment you finish putting together your PC and hang up your antistatic gloves, your glance will fall onto an old DVD labeled "Wedding photos" or something equally important. And imagine the repercussions if you can't view those again! ohmy.gif


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post Jun 25 2023, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jun 25 2023, 11:32 AM) *

Khajiit unboxed his new pc case (Phanteks Enthoo Pro) this morning. I knew it would be roomier than the current pc case (Cooler Master HAF 912), but really underestimated how much of a difference those extra few inches would make. The thing looks massive compared to the HAF 912! Spent most of the morning getting acquainted with how the interior is laid out and tinkering with the frame to see what can be easily removed and what can’t. I’m very pleased with it, and can hardly wait to start transferring my components into it. That will be a project for maybe next weekend.

I’m trying to decide if I want to bother installing the optical drive. I haven’t used it in fairly long while.

I love my Enthoo Pro. It's easily the best case I've used. Mine too replaced a HAF, only mine was/is a full-tower HAF. It's larger than my Enthoo. Yet the Enthoo is "roomier" and allows much better cable management.

As to the optical drive, I too am in favor of installing it from the get go.

(My HAF still houses the secondary PC. I'll at some point need to swap out much of its current innards for parts removed from my primary PC during its recent semi-upgrade. I'm not looking forward to working inside it.)


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post Jun 25 2023, 11:21 PM
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Yes, I agree on keeping the opti-drive. I have two installed and use them both. I'll not give them up until I can no longer get Lightscribe disks, love that little label maker.

I've been thinking of getting a new case and the Ethnoo Pro is high on my list.

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post Jun 26 2023, 03:56 AM
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QUOTE(Lena Wolf @ Jun 25 2023, 01:28 PM) *

QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jun 25 2023, 05:32 PM) *

I’m trying to decide if I want to bother installing the optical drive. I haven’t used it in fairly long while.

If you have room, install it. Because if you don't, the moment you finish putting together your PC and hang up your antistatic gloves, your glance will fall onto an old DVD labeled "Wedding photos" or something equally important. And imagine the repercussions if you can't view those again! ohmy.gif



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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jun 25 2023, 11:32 AM) *

Khajiit unboxed his new pc case (Phanteks Enthoo Pro) this morning. I knew it would be roomier than the current pc case (Cooler Master HAF 912), but really underestimated how much of a difference those extra few inches would make. The thing looks massive compared to the HAF 912! Spent most of the morning getting acquainted with how the interior is laid out and tinkering with the frame to see what can be easily removed and what can’t. I’m very pleased with it, and can hardly wait to start transferring my components into it. That will be a project for maybe next weekend.

I’m trying to decide if I want to bother installing the optical drive. I haven’t used it in fairly long while.

I love my Enthoo Pro. It's easily the best case I've used. Mine too replaced a HAF, only mine was/is a full-tower HAF. It's larger than my Enthoo. Yet the Enthoo is "roomier" and allows much better cable management.

As to the optical drive, I too am in favor of installing it from the get go.

(My HAF still houses the secondary PC. I'll at some point need to swap out much of its current innards for parts removed from my primary PC during its recent semi-upgrade. I'm not looking forward to working inside it.)

Mrs. Khajiit talked us into installing the optical drive after all. laugh.gif

So, I just couldn’t stand it. I went ahead and moved all of the components over to the new case. Got everything screwed in and plugged up, hit the power button and… nothing. Went back and made sure everything was plugged in correctly (especially those godawful little case plugs for the power button and front panel leds). Everything was. Did the paper clip test thing to make sure the PSU was functioning. The fan started spinning. Tried the thing where you touch a screw driver to where the power button plug goes. Nothing. Now I’m afraid something happened that killed my motherboard. unsure.gif

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post Jun 26 2023, 04:10 AM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jun 25 2023, 09:56 PM) *

So, I just couldn’t stand it. I went ahead and moved all of the components over to the new case. Got everything screwed in and plugged up, hit the power button and… nothing. Went back and made sure everything was plugged in correctly (especially those godawful little case plugs for the power button and front panel leds). Everything was. Did the paper clip test thing to make sure the PSU was functioning. The fan started spinning. Tried the thing where you touch a screw driver to where the power button plug goes. Nothing. Now I’m afraid something happened that killed my motherboard. unsure.gif

Ouch! Is there any way to test the cable from psu to motherboard?


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post Jun 26 2023, 09:29 AM
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Now I’m afraid something happened that killed my motherboard. unsure.gif

Ouch! sad.gif Were you wearing antistatic gloves or at least a grounded wristband? Static discharge can be deadly to computers.

Don't panic. Check the connectors again. Try disconnecting a few things to see if it boots up then. But if it is really your old computer in a new housing, you should not be having issues like that... unsure.gif

Come to think of it: does the power supply unit come with the case? Could it be that it's defective?

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post Jun 26 2023, 12:27 PM
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The PSU is fine. You can test them by sticking a paper clip in certain holes in the connector that hooks into the motherboard. First you turn off the PSU and unplug it from the surge protector. Next you unhook the connector from the motherboard and with the clip that secures it to the motherboard facing up, you put a paper clip in the 4th and 5th holes on the top row of holes. Next you plug the PSU back into the surge protector and flip the switch to “on”. If the PSU is working like it should, its fan will start to spin. If nothing happens, then you know you have a bad PSU.

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Now I’m afraid something happened that killed my motherboard. unsure.gif

Ouch! sad.gif Were you wearing antistatic gloves or at least a grounded wristband? Static discharge can be deadly to computers.

Come to think of it: does the power supply unit come with the case? Could it be that it's defective?

I… was not wearing anitistatic items, but I didn’t when building the thing either and it was fine for years. I suppose it’s possible that there was a static discharge, but would I have noticed that? Also, the power supply was the same one I had in my old build. Purchased separately from any case.


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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jun 26 2023, 12:27 PM) *

I… was not wearing anitistatic items, but I didn’t when building the thing either and it was fine for years. I suppose it’s possible that there was a static discharge, but would I have noticed that? Also, the power supply was the same one I had in my old build. Purchased separately from any case.

You would not necessarily notice a discharge. Not wearing antistatic gear is like playing Russian roulette. You get lucky, or not.

But it is besides the point now, other than please get some wristbands at least for your next computer surgery. Just read up on it.

The question with PSU is not whether it can power up the fan but whether it can power up the entire computer. It is not a yes/no answer. Does it have enough capacity? That was the background of my question. But again, since the power supply is your old one, it should be fine indeed.

So, did any of the internal components change at all? Because if the answer is no, it becomes difficult to trace the problem. Are there any fuses that could have blown? Any obvious burned smell or black parts? I'm guessing not... Perhaps you have to start unplugging things until the PC boots, then start adding the components back in.

And please wear an antistatic wristband!


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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jun 26 2023, 12:27 PM) *

I… was not wearing anitistatic items, but I didn’t when building the thing either and it was fine for years. I suppose it’s possible that there was a static discharge, but would I have noticed that? Also, the power supply was the same one I had in my old build. Purchased separately from any case.

You would not necessarily notice a discharge. Not wearing antistatic gear is like playing Russian roulette. You get lucky, or not.

But it is besides the point now, other than please get some wristbands at least for your next computer surgery. Just read up on it.

The question with PSU is not whether it can power up the fan but whether it can power up the entire computer. It is not a yes/no answer. Does it have enough capacity? That was the background of my question. But again, since the power supply is your old one, it should be fine indeed.

So, did any of the internal components change at all? Because if the answer is no, it becomes difficult to trace the problem. Are there any fuses that could have blown? Any obvious burned smell or black parts? I'm guessing not... Perhaps you have to start unplugging things until the PC boots, then start adding the components back in.

And please wear an antistatic wristband!

Oh yes, I’ve learned a valuable lesson about the anti static thing. Anyway, the only thing that changed was the case. Of course, the front panel plugs are a little bit different from the other case, and it has a USB-C connector that my mobo does not support so I couldn’t plug that in. The components are exactly the same, well, except for a 1tb SSD that I did add. Would that keep the whole system from turning on? No obvious burn smells. I think when I get home I may try the 24 pin cable from my old PSU, just to make sure it’s not that cable. I don’t know. I’m just really upset with myself for messing with it when it wasn’t necessary to.

EDIT: No I won’t try the 24 pin from my old PSU because I just read that could fry the components.

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Oh yes, I’ve learned a valuable lesson about the anti static thing. Anyway, the only thing that changed was the case. Of course, the front panel plugs are a little bit different from the other case, and it has a USB-C connector that my mobo does not support so I couldn’t plug that in. The components are exactly the same, well, except for a 1tb SSD that I did add. Would that keep the whole system from turning on? No obvious burn smells.

It would if your PSU is not powerful enough to provide juice for the whole PC, and the requirement has now been increased with whatever that hard drive requires. So the first thing to do would be to disconnect the new component and to get your PC to work in its old configuration but in the new housing. You know that should work, and if it doesn't then something is either not connected right or is broken, so fix that first. Then when your PC is booting again, add the new hard drive.

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That is indeed very upsetting, Khajiit! But hang in there, you'll sort it out, and will know better next time. smile.gif If it ain't broken... you know. Works every time. And we keep falling for it over and over and over again. Such is life.


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Oh yes, I’ve learned a valuable lesson about the anti static thing. Anyway, the only thing that changed was the case. Of course, the front panel plugs are a little bit different from the other case, and it has a USB-C connector that my mobo does not support so I couldn’t plug that in. The components are exactly the same, well, except for a 1tb SSD that I did add. Would that keep the whole system from turning on? No obvious burn smells.

It would if your PSU is not powerful enough to provide juice for the whole PC, and the requirement has now been increased with whatever that hard drive requires. So the first thing to do would be to disconnect the new component and to get your PC to work in its old configuration but in the new housing. You know that should work, and if it doesn't then something is either not connected right or is broken, so fix that first. Then when your PC is booting again, add the new hard drive.

I’ll try that, for sure.


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I'm late to the party, and in any case can think of no new insights to put forward. It's possible that the motherboard battery died, but they generally last ages before expiring, and it seems highly unlikely that it would choose to die at the same exact time as the components move. For what it's worth (nothing), my primary PC's month's-long shimmering/flickering-graphics issue solved itself. I turned it on one day to attempt to run more tests before my eyes fried, to boot into a rock-solid screen. No idea what happened, but I'm not looking a gift-house in the mouth.


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