You have to sacrifice one button in order to be able to use two layouts. But configuration is easy to change, and to start with you only need one layout, after all, that's what Xbox has. But after a while you'll be wanting more buttons, and then you'll change your mind.

You can also have "virtual buttons" - you can define combinations of buttons to be pressed together. And then also you can define multiple functions on one and the same button depending on how you are pressing it - for example, short versus long press, or "double click", "triple click", etc. You have it all there, you'll need to try and see what works for you.

I believe this is all pretty much the same also in Xpadder.

This all sounds really nice! Once I iron out the wrinkles and get it working the way I want, I’m sure I will experiment with adding buttons and what not.

Hey Wolfie, which lines in the config notepad dictate how the variable run/walk work? Or is that controlled purely by changing settings in the JoyToKey interface?

Everything can be done in the config, but I always use the interface. It is the first four lines under [Joystick 1] - marked with ##Move. The way it is set up, is that if you push the stick lightly, it does regular movement, but if you push it harder (all the way), it activates Shift which makes them run. It is easiest to change in the interface. The threshold is set to 95%, it looks like way too much, but I determined that experimentally. That's just how my controller responds. It may be that the threshold needs to be set differently for you.

If you want to put Shift under a separate button which you toggle, you can change the stick configuration from "Keyboard (multi)" to "Keyboard" and just assign a single letter to each direction. That's in the interface, I would not know which numbers it would translate to in the config file.

Look also in the Options tab in the interface. It has a number of fancy options such as "threshold for input analogue stick". For me it is set to 0, but if you are getting noise, then may be you need to set it to 5% or something. Also if you press "Configure" on that page, it takes you to further calibration and configuration of your controller, and that of course depends on your hardware.

This post has been edited by Lena Wolf: Sep 13 2024, 01:37 PM

Ok thank you for the info. I’ll look at it more either tonight or tomorrow.

Ok, so I have the Shivering Isles esp deactivated in Wrye Bash, so how come after a day in game passes I still get the “strange door” journal entry?

The Shivering Isles ESP is a dummy ESP without any content. Its only purpose is to load the resources. All Shivering Isles content has been merged into Oblivion.esm.

Ooooh so it’s going to load no matter what?

'fraid so. Unless you have a DLC delayer mod.

I could do a delayer mod. That’s probably what I’ll do.

Downloaded a mod that seems to have just stopped the pop up journal entry for the Shivering Isles from activating. The Strange Door will supposedly still manifest in Niben Bay at game start, but noting is supposed to update until my character actually swims/water walks to investigate it. I need to check this and make sure it’s working right.

Now I have another question about controls. Do you who use controller on PC run any mods that allow you to more easily navigate menus ala the console version?

Yes... err... I made that myself. Because I couldn't find anything that functioned correctly. I have my own "Basic Utilities" mod that has all such stuff in, and a few other things that I want in every game.

I started with Hotkeys Galore but it hardcodes everything and doesn't always work. So rework and debug that, and you'll have things the way you want them. Make it as if you were going to use the keyboard and mouse, then configure them for JoyToKey. I can post my scripts, if you like, but you need to review them.

I would very much like to see your work on this, if you don’t mind posting it.

Below is a quest script that handles hot keys. Make a quest and attach this script to it.

I'm not sure whether this covers everything you were thinking about. Some of the functionality is just in the JoyToKey configuration.

Oh yes - I use an OBSE plugin Use WASD in Menus (OBSE). This is what allows to use the controller to scroll through menus.

I use Hotkey Pro. Which (dangit) has been set to Hidden as of late. Combined with Xpadder, I'm able to do anything with a controller that I did on Xbox or PS3, even surfing menus.

ONLY thing I need to do with a mouse (or actually, one of the controller joysticks simulating a mouse) is the Take All button, in the sense that I can't just "one touch" the button, I need to hover the cursor over it first. Also the Disposition minigame. One of my joysticks functions as the mouse pointer, but sometimes I'll just use an actual mouse instead.

Lena has configured Take All, though.



This post has been edited by Renee: Sep 16 2024, 04:43 PM

Thank you both. What a process this controller config is!


Ok, so when you say “make a quest”, you mean go into the Construction Kit?

'fraid so.

Yes. In the Construction Set, open the Quest window, right-click the list of quests on the left and select "New...". This will make a new quest. You'll see a "script" button - click it and attach this script. Oh right, you will need to have created and saved that script first, and make sure it's a Quest Script (script type). Depending on whether you use the original CS or the CSE, the layout of windows will be different.

Alternatively, you can download the original Hotkeys Galore mod and replace the script in it. But you still need the Construction Set because you need to save the script.


Which probably explains why I didn't find it when I was looking!


Well, it's configured. It works on Tuesdays only though. Don't know why but sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. I usually just move the pointer to it and click - with the controller.

This post has been edited by Lena Wolf: Sep 16 2024, 05:27 PM

Yes, this. You need to start the quest, add the script as she says, MAKE SURE the Script Type scroll-bar is set to Quest and not Object (I repeated this because if you don't do this, your script will seem to disappear, and yes, I've overlooked this step countless times...).

After adding the script to the quest, and saving it successfully, close the script and press OK. This closes the quest window. Reopen the quest, find the script in the scroll-bar, and press OK a second time. That's so the script definitely gets attached to the quest IF you want to go that route. If the scroll-bar says NONE instead of your script's name, that's not good.

Khajiit, I don't know how extensive your latest foray into Oblivion is. But if it's gonna last a few months or more, don't be afraid of the CS! Either one of us has extensive experience. Heck, I use the Construction Set or GECK or Creation Kit way more often than console commands or TESEdit/FOEdit.

This post has been edited by Renee: Sep 16 2024, 05:50 PM

I’m somewhat familiar with the CS. A few years ago I made a few brand new custom items with modified Bethesda textures, and I have used it for other BGS games as well. What I haven’t ever done is messed with quests or scripting, lol

See, and that's something I've completely ignored during my years messing round in these editors: meshes and textures! I haven't got a clue how they're made. But it's mostly because so many modders are already excellent at those facets of our games.

Quests & scripting though, those are things I wanted to learn. Because I can make my character's stories actually happen.