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Burnt Sierra |
Nov 21 2024, 06:19 PM
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Joined: 27-March 05
From: UK

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QUOTE(mALX @ Nov 21 2024, 04:12 PM)  Okay; on the armor = are you saying to not use the Rage of Uresauk at all? Just use Tzogvins and an overland set?
Yes, that's exactly right. Easiest ways to improve damage are to combine a strong stat set (of which Tzogvins is one of the absolute strongest non-trial sets around) with either a proc set (Think Pillar of Nirn, the ones mentioned earlier, Aegis Caller etc) or a set that adds damage to abilities (so Templar and Arcanist get a huge boost from Deadly Strike.) Rage of the Ursauk gives an interesting 5 piece bonus, but doesn't really help your damage, it's more of a support set. But with only four pieces, just not worth it. QUOTE(mALX @ Nov 21 2024, 04:12 PM)  On the Tzogvin's I have one ring and 4 armor pieces. (Jack, Guards, Boots, and shoulder) I have the Mythic Velothi Ur necklace.
So I have to fill in the head, hands, waist, one ring, and weapons on both bars.
Yes, but leave the helmet for Slimecraw then, I'll come to that in a sec. So hands, waist, ring and weapons all from one set, and same set weapons for back bar (whether you choose the same type is up to you, you might fancy daggers front, staff back, staff both front and back etc) QUOTE(mALX @ Nov 21 2024, 04:12 PM)  If I can get the weapons, ring, hands, and waist of any one set; I can use one piece of any Monster set. I have a light Slimecraw; but when I tried it out yesterday my DPS dropped on the Combat Metrics.
Not surprised you saw a dps loss, but if you are running a second five piece set with one piece of Slimecraw, you won't. You want to run either a mythic or a monster set. And mythics are stronger generally. In Velothi's case, quite a bit stronger, which is why we want to add in proc damage or boost skill damage. QUOTE(mALX @ Nov 21 2024, 04:12 PM)  I will have to get screens of the Combat Metrics; I do know it showed my penetration at 12,000 with the Valkyn Skoria on (which also adds pen). I checked when I put that Valkyn Skoria helm on because I was worried about it reaching the 18K cap.
I may need to check where I have my CP points; maybe I am missing the pen on it?
You're putting waaaaay too much emphasis on penetration. There's two situations where going over 9100 pen can be useful - either a Veteran Arena (where you're solo), or a 4 man Dungeon boss (and again, only when you're solo.) World Bosses, delves, public dungeons, even minions in 4 man dungeons (in other words 99% of the enemies you face) only have 9100 resistances, anything over that is just wasted. When we drag you into a 4 man dungeon, and Ghastley's tanking on one of his characters, he's reducing that bosses armour by 9100, so you still don't need over that 9100 mark. Up to 9100, reducing the enemies armour is really strong, over 9100 is a total waste (unless veteran arenas or soloing 4 man dungeons.) edit: Think I've figured out the problem. You're testing your DPS on either a 3m or 6m dummy. Those do have 18200 resistances, but like stated above you won't ever need to reach 18200 in content. Test it on the 21m trial dummy, and you'll see the difference.
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ghastley |
Nov 24 2024, 02:09 AM
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Joined: 13-December 10

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Now we have the Master Crafting Tables filled for EU, I need to start playing the rest of the game again. A lot of my characters on both servers have very basic crafted/overland sets, so they'll be happy to accompany mALX's characters getting some better dungeon sets.
Oh, and we have an Iron Atronach trial dummy at EU Hunding's now, too, so sets can be tested when we have them.
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mALX |
Nov 24 2024, 11:38 PM
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Ancient

Joined: 14-March 10
From: Cyrodiil, the Wastelands, and BFE TN

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QUOTE(Burnt Sierra @ Nov 21 2024, 12:19 PM)  Yes, that's exactly right. Easiest ways to improve damage are to combine a strong stat set (of which Tzogvins is one of the absolute strongest non-trial sets around) with either a proc set (Think Pillar of Nirn, the ones mentioned earlier, Aegis Caller etc) or a set that adds damage to abilities (so Templar and Arcanist get a huge boost from Deadly Strike.) Rage of the Ursauk gives an interesting 5 piece bonus, but doesn't really help your damage, it's more of a support set. But with only four pieces, just not worth it. Oh, I LOVE Pillar of Nirn; but only have 3 pieces of it. I am pretty sure I have several pieces of Deadly Strike and on overland sets I have Spinner; War Maiden; Mad Tinkerer; and Mother's Sorrow. I have almost all the Monster sets. QUOTE(Burnt Sierra @ Nov 21 2024, 12:19 PM)  Yes, but leave the helmet for Slimecraw then, I'll come to that in a sec. So hands, waist, ring and weapons all from one set, and same set weapons for back bar (whether you choose the same type is up to you, you might fancy daggers front, staff back, staff both front and back etc) Well, she has no stamina; I sank every point into Magicka (so prefer staffs on both bars). I have several sets of Slimecraw in all different armor types (heavy, light, medium) (but my DPS went way down when I switched out the Rage of Uresauk for the Slimecraw helm (guise). QUOTE(Burnt Sierra @ Nov 21 2024, 12:19 PM)  Not surprised you saw a dps loss, but if you are running a second five piece set with one piece of Slimecraw, you won't. You want to run either a mythic or a monster set. And mythics are stronger generally. In Velothi's case, quite a bit stronger, which is why we want to add in proc damage or boost skill damage.
Ok, I don't/didn't know which sets would do that. QUOTE(Burnt Sierra @ Nov 21 2024, 12:19 PM)  You're putting waaaaay too much emphasis on penetration. There's two situations where going over 9100 pen can be useful - either a Veteran Arena (where you're solo), or a 4 man Dungeon boss (and again, only when you're solo.) World Bosses, delves, public dungeons, even minions in 4 man dungeons (in other words 99% of the enemies you face) only have 9100 resistances, anything over that is just wasted. When we drag you into a 4 man dungeon, and Ghastley's tanking on one of his characters, he's reducing that bosses armour by 9100, so you still don't need over that 9100 mark. Up to 9100, reducing the enemies armour is really strong, over 9100 is a total waste (unless veteran arenas or soloing 4 man dungeons.)
edit: Think I've figured out the problem. You're testing your DPS on either a 3m or 6m dummy. Those do have 18200 resistances, but like stated above you won't ever need to reach 18200 in content. Test it on the 21m trial dummy, and you'll see the difference.
Actually, I was testing them by going out in the field and killing stuff and then looking at Combat Metrics. I still have to get a screenshot of that and post it, will do it when it isn't a weekend so I have more time. Thank you so very much for this help!!!!! QUOTE(ghastley @ Nov 23 2024, 08:09 PM)  Now we have the Master Crafting Tables filled for EU, I need to start playing the rest of the game again. A lot of my characters on both servers have very basic crafted/overland sets, so they'll be happy to accompany mALX's characters getting some better dungeon sets.
Oh, and we have an Iron Atronach trial dummy at EU Hunding's now, too, so sets can be tested when we have them.
WOO HOO!!!!!
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ghastley |
Nov 30 2024, 07:58 PM
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Joined: 13-December 10

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December meetings on Monday and Tuesday, assuming everyone isn't shopping.
EU needs to discuss Mundus Stones.
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Mods for The Elder Scrolls single-player games, and I play ESO.
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ghastley |
Dec 1 2024, 03:30 AM
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Joined: 13-December 10

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QUOTE(mALX @ Nov 30 2024, 07:58 PM)  You can't buy them with game gold? Hmmmm. I can't remember how I got them for the NA.
Only way seems to be via the Housing Editor for Crowns. And at 4000 each, that's a lot. There was a 10% off deal two years ago, so you might have got some then. We have Thief and Lover, need to decide what's needed, and what's not.
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mALX |
Dec 2 2024, 08:29 PM
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Ancient

Joined: 14-March 10
From: Cyrodiil, the Wastelands, and BFE TN

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QUOTE(ghastley @ Nov 30 2024, 09:30 PM)  QUOTE(mALX @ Nov 30 2024, 07:58 PM)  You can't buy them with game gold? Hmmmm. I can't remember how I got them for the NA.
Only way seems to be via the Housing Editor for Crowns. And at 4000 each, that's a lot. There was a 10% off deal two years ago, so you might have got some then. We have Thief and Lover, need to decide what's needed, and what's not. I think you can buy Crown things with game gold on the Tamriel Crown Exchange place; but some things are restricted to buy like houses = not sure if Mundus Stones would be restricted or not. I might go check; I have them on my Discord. I have used them before; you have to take certain precautions but I didn't have any issues getting what I paid for. The exchange rate is like "Market Price," it changes with the in game economy. If you can get them through the exchange; I will most def donate gold to it. Otherwise; not sure if you can buy Crowns for another person or not, can you? Also; The Atronach is a good one to get early if we are voting. QUOTE(Grits @ Dec 2 2024, 07:37 AM)  QUOTE(ghastley @ Nov 30 2024, 01:58 PM)  December meetings on Monday and Tuesday, assuming everyone isn't shopping.
EU needs to discuss Mundus Stones.
Jerric plans to attend both. Yay! WOO HOO!!! Okay, the current exchange rate is 1500:1. I still don't know if Mundus Stones are restricted or not.
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Sakiri |
Dec 29 2024, 09:32 PM
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Councilor

Joined: 17-May 18
From: Scandinavia

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https://imgur.com/a/HA5MDtOhttps://imgur.com/a/TjqVmqjKeep in mind that the 21 mil HP trial dummy gives you full buffs and debuffs. This is my sorcerer as of a couple days ago. When solo, pens not as important but for a trial you want cap(18200). I'm not crit capped either(125% is cap). I run trials though so the stats are a bit more important. If malx needs a weapons set I suggest order's wrath weapons and jewelry. If no one has plus or high isle, I can make them at my guild hall if we don't have it. Also, how the heck do image embeds work here? Tried to embed imgur links, no go. Also, what stone do you want? I can see if I can gift them. I'll be on a bit later. This post has been edited by Sakiri: Dec 29 2024, 09:31 PM
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mALX |
Dec 30 2024, 07:16 PM
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Ancient

Joined: 14-March 10
From: Cyrodiil, the Wastelands, and BFE TN

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QUOTE(Sakiri @ Dec 29 2024, 03:32 PM)  https://imgur.com/a/HA5MDtOhttps://imgur.com/a/TjqVmqjKeep in mind that the 21 mil HP trial dummy gives you full buffs and debuffs. This is my sorcerer as of a couple days ago. When solo, pens not as important but for a trial you want cap(18200). I'm not crit capped either(125% is cap). I run trials though so the stats are a bit more important. If malx needs a weapons set I suggest order's wrath weapons and jewelry. If no one has plus or high isle, I can make them at my guild hall if we don't have it. Also, how the heck do image embeds work here? Tried to embed imgur links, no go. Also, what stone do you want? I can see if I can gift them. I'll be on a bit later. Holy Cow!!!! Great Stats!!!! AND PILLAR OF NIRN SET!!!!! *mALX drools in envy ...*
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ghastley |
Dec 31 2024, 03:05 AM
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Joined: 13-December 10

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mALX wants Pillar, and I want Pillar (both servers, but more so on EU), so maybe we could consider a run or two at the January meetings in a week. If not then, we can organize one for another date, while eveyone's together.
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mALX |
Dec 31 2024, 06:02 PM
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Ancient

Joined: 14-March 10
From: Cyrodiil, the Wastelands, and BFE TN

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QUOTE(ghastley @ Dec 30 2024, 09:05 PM)  mALX wants Pillar, and I want Pillar (both servers, but more so on EU), so maybe we could consider a run or two at the January meetings in a week. If not then, we can organize one for another date, while eveyone's together.
I def want it on the NA server!!! Thanks to last month's Guild Meet I got the Velothi Ur Amulet; so really can't wait to finish out Amiela's armor and hopefully bring up her abilities in combat (to counter my inabilities in combat, lol).
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ghastley |
Jan 5 2025, 12:12 AM
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Joined: 13-December 10

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First meetings of 2025 are on Monday (EU) and Tuesday (NA) at 6:00 PM EST. Falkreath runs are possible, if the numbers are right, or we can at least plan them.
Event ends between them. EU gets the XP boost, NA does not.
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