But it causes people to act stupidly.

If people can use it responsibly(issued by doctors and such) then i think it should be fine. But! I believe there should be some way to keep track of who is taking the drugs and how much he uses daily. Strict rules when it comes to that.

IDK I never want to take drugs, but making them legal would create issues as people might die from heart attacks and such, and people would put stuff in your drinks.... I think it's fine how it is..

wow someone has been grave digging O.o

lol. i think we all realized that this issue had been discussed enough. s we let the thread vanish into the archives.

I think some drugs, eg: hash, weed and other soft drugs, should be legalised. I've dabbled myself and I haven't become a pale, skinny, man on the end of his pitiful rope etc etc. So long as they are taken in moderation there is no real harm done. And to be honest, cigarettes are much more addictive and do at least as much damage, so there is no reason for one to be legal and the other illegal. Finally, some drugs genuinely do lead to a good time with little or no consequences, (except a bad case of "the munchies") so why not?

actually marijuana has more permanent sideffects than the munchies. studies are showing that it is far more potent than we thought. it can cause severe permanent damage to short term memory.

and then some drugs have free radicals in them that are extremely damaging. MPP+ being such an example, found in certain synthetic "designer" drugs. MPP+ destroys cells in the substancia nigra in the brain. which controls dopamine productions and delivery. in other words it cna cause parkinson like diseases.

This post has been edited by Megil Tel-Zeke: Sep 8 2005, 07:44 PM

I just don't like it when the government says what I can and can't do when it comes to my own personal habits, when they don't affect anyone else.

I mean, the government saying I can't steal makes sense, because that hurts someone else unfairly. But when they say that I can't smoke what I want to, they are going too far. Me smoking marijuana (which I don't) doesn't afffect anyone else, so why does the government need to get involved for any reason?

That's almost the same thing as making sunbathing illegal because it can cause skin cancer.

I like your point Dantrag......it´s very harsh here in sweden what "big brother" says to you...one time the authorities even told us how many slices of bread we should eat per day.....

Is big brother more of a slang term or is it what some authorities actually call themselves? Because if it is the latter, stay away from the television. Anyways, Wurlon, about the put things in your drinks, you are probably basing that off of the big news scare in the seventies in which appearently people where putting aspirins in our cokes (which had no real side effects, other than getting rid of your headache). I don't personaly see this as that scary, because not many people have any incentive to put cocaine in my Ice Tea.

And on to your point Dantrag, I completely agree. Why should they be able to tell me what I do or don't do in my house on my own time? And what could happen? All that would really happen is me settling an addiction that may hurt me over time. And why am I not allowed to do one or to hits of a drug but I'm allowed to smoke ten thousand cigarettes?

Big Brother is what we call authorities when they mess around trying to tell us what or what not to do....

I once got a kind of drug in my drink, I was in my twenties....I got a really weird reaction....it was on a ferry..and I tried to jump off board all the time so some sailor-guys had to take me in with force......my friends got scared....

Big Brother is from the book 1984, it was the name of the supreme ruler who may or may not have existed.

They've been doing studies on kids and inhalents, and too many kids are dying. 1/20 kids who take in that keyboard cleaner stuff died their first try. If weed was legal then that would stop.

This post has been edited by DoomedOne: Sep 9 2005, 02:04 AM

Wow, that's pretty awful Minque. I feel kind of stupid after saying my last post, though I won't edit and stand by my words. Tough I do really feel sorry for you.

Also, sadly doomed one, many people would say that's just a stupid chain mail that's been going around, but it's true. 100% true. I have checked many urban legend sites and sites that declare legitimacy of chain mails (especially Snopes) and have found each study has found that is true.

I didn;t receive it by chainmail, I looked it up myself for my last debate on drugs.

Thanks red...now from that moment I don´t leave drinks unattended....

Talking about drugs, from 1st july this year we here got that regulation that says no smoking in restaurants, pubs bars or public places...indoors, I think that is not bad, because even though I´m a smoker I really don´t like smoky pubs and bars....so I always go out for a smoke even at home so it´s really not a problem, just a good thing I reckon..

I agree... Here in Norway we have had that Smoking Law a while now and it is working very good. I'm not against smoking, but its at least good to have smoke free enviorments in pubs, resturants etc. Many people here in Norway thinks its actually better to sit outside smoking anyway - at least in the summer

BTW...

Some more about drugs, as I've said before I've met a guy that have been a user of drugs. He's life was totally crashed, his parents did it and it ruined him to. And now he have changed and started a help organization for those who use drugs. On a presentation he took Curt Cubain for a example...

When you take drugs it will slowly kill you, and IMO I think its better to use the normal adrenalin you have in your body. For example by doing stunts or what ever that gives you a real kick insted of taking drugs that can have a much more negative effect then dying while performing a stunt or something that gives u that normal adrenalin kick, many have said that. Taking drugs one time, one time only doesn't really hurt but as you take more and more it will use up for adrenalin in your body, and it will take several weeks to get the adrenalin and the other "chemicals" back. One of those "chemicals" or what I can call it is what makes you happy, and if you have taken drugs to much these can get totally destroyed, and that means you can actually never get that happy feeling again - leading to that many people who have used drugs take suicide.

So I think that drugs should be only allowed in medical use, because here in Norway some drugs that help against diseases are not allowed and people actually violates the law to get their hands on them to get better....

This post has been edited by Fuzzy Knight: Sep 10 2005, 12:15 PM

Yes! It´s lovely to sit outside...and in winter you can always take your coat on when going out.....or just don´t go out!!! One less cigarrette......w00t!

Well, coke can cause obesity, cigarettes cause cancer, sun causes skin cancer, caffeine causes hyperactivity, mobiles and microwaves cause radiation poisoning,coronation street causes suicide..... Just about everything has some long term ill effect. I've been smoking for a few years and I have no problem remembering stuff. Just so long as you don't smoke as much as Cheech or Chong you'll be fine. When the government says that kind of thing about long-term side-effects, I think they mean if you do lots and lots, not just the ocasional joint.



Well said.

Some good points there... Yes... But of course drugs can effect those around you they fall in the wrong hands when its legal! But if it should be made legal people should really have some knowledge about what drugs do to you, not all drug-users never knew what it did to them until they was addicted to it...

Here in Canada we too have a no smoking in public places law. Personnaly I think it's great, and most smokers I talk to don't mind it because they don't have to always put cigarettes out because of people with allergies and such. Also, just a little fun fact, it's about ten years in jail or 250,000 dollers if you are caught smoking in a non smoking area.

You must be kidding!! 10 years in jail?? 250000$??? For just smoking a cig in a non smoking area???? holy crap.....i don´t think the punishment is that big here...hmm but i surely won´t try it though...

The government controls it because not everyone is nice, some people would make kids do drugs to get them hooked on it and buy it for their lives and such. I personally think someone that does drugs when I don't would affect me, as it's peer pressure to do it too, which I really don't want to. Besides, people would be overdosing all the time, if those very potent drugs were released they could die. Freedom has many definitions, and unfortunately the government lost them alongside cheap oil prices.