Although that is maximum. But it is increadibly rare that you are charged with this crime, people here know not to smoke in non-smoking areas and beacause usually if someone sees you smoking, you are told to put it out or leave, they don't immediatly call the cops. Also, some places I believe have smaller punishments.

oh..I would hope so....it´s not as if you killed someone..well at least not immediately but maybe in the long run you do.....yourself!

I'm still lookin for the cheap oil...

Anyways, if "soft" drugs were legal, then "hard" drugs would become the new marijuna. Us humans love to test our limit...

Weed should be legal, all the other stuff like cocaine and heroin should stay illegal.

I personally am against any kind of drug use whatsoever... but it pretty much comes down to this... You have to draw a line somewhere. Some people think the line is too much others think its not nearly enough. Take speed limits for example. Most of us can easily drive safely at 75 mph as we can at 65 or 55, however, when you look at everyone as a whole statistically a line is drawn at a certain speed for a certain type of road because thats where the statistics say the fewest accidents will occur. Pretty much the same with drugs IMO. Can some people moderately use marijuana safely and occasionally... probably. However, most studies show people abuse it fantastically given the choice and end up destroying their own lives as well as those around them. Society is better off without a doubt that it remain illegal.

just my two cents..

Well said Neela... I said something about this earlier.. like a month ago

Drugs should be legal purely for the fact that people should be allowed freedom of choice, as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone elses rights, and if someone abuses drugs, I say too bad for them. People abuse all sorts of things. Their partners, alcohol, food. tv, ect. It's the nature of some people that they are easily habit forming, it doesn't mean tat everyone should be under lock and key because you always have a few idiots around!

There is nothing wrong with using marijuana. I use it every day and Im damn proud to say I do. I have a chronic painfull debilitating disease. My pain is unresponsive to morphine(pharmaceutical heroine) but is responsive to cannabis. This subject were talking about is the greatest conspiracy of our times. Marijuana does not cause brain damage in fact its nuero-protective. If you give 10 mice marijuana and 10 mice nothing(control). Then put them underwater(drown them) untill enough time has elapsed that would cause brain damage. The mice without marijuana would either be dead(I think 5 normal mice died), brain damaged or dead. The stoner mice would survive and have little or no brain damage. I will back this up with articles (there are more out there if you care to look)...

1.) http://www.annalsnyas.org/cgi/content/abstract/899/1/274

2.) http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/29...xanabinol.shtml

3.) http://apu.sfn.org/content/AboutSFN1/NewsR...nnabinoids.html

Just do a google search on Marijuana and neuro protective and you will get hundreds of similar articles.

This is the biggest reason for the conspiracy. It goes back to 74.....

1.) http://www.alternet.org/story/9257/

2.) http://projectcensored.org/publications/2001/22.html

The Nixon administration ordered that the labarotory that did this research along with its library be burned to the ground.

Without marijuana Id be dead.

This post has been edited by Kaleem: Sep 28 2005, 06:17 AM

all veyr well and good, but ina ll of them the compounds are isolated from teh rest of the plant and are taken in not by smoking but by injection. it is the smoking that is harmful a double edged sword persay.

I have no objection against the medicinal properties of marijuana but i don't agree that smoking the plan is the best method fro obtaining the chemicals since combustion alters the chemical structures of compounds and also releases others that should not realy be in the body such as resins and tar etc. I think cannibis compounds should be legalized but the selling of the dried leaves of the plant for smoking shouldn't, since they can make pills of THC and of cannabinoids, or injections.

out of curiosity kaleem whatichronic painful debilitating disease do you have if you don't mind me asking. just curious.

I have Ehlers Danlos syndrome and Autonomic Dysfunction.

http://www.skinatlas.com/eds.htm

http://www.reumatologia-dr-bravo.cl/para%2...DIAGCRITJHS.htm

Without going into great detail it has destroyed my life.

Im sorry but you are wrong.

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/23/1728_57309

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/medica...ions/cancer.cfm

http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread7632.shtml

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Marijuana ciggarettes were used as a treatmaent for asthma before it was outlawed.
They sold pre rolled(by Glaxo smith kliene) joints in US pharmacies over the counter for asthma.

http://www.pdxnorml.org/ARRD_asthma_1975.html

thank god, they know better nowadays, and theres better medicine around, that doesnt involve smoking something that could make you paranoid.

i dont want to start talking about pros/cosn of marijuana, if you want to smoke marijuana, do it, but dont try to tell others, how fine it is, and how healthy or whatnot, or even get them to try it out.

you can show me thousands links, where it is stated how good marijuana is. guess what, i can pull out another thousand links which say otherwise.

i dont see a reason for legalizing the use of marijuana as a drug. you can already buy stuff that is made out of weed, like clothes and so on... so thats not what im talking about. if you want to smoke it, then you have to accept the fact that this is not legal. but no ones gonna arrest you for just smoking/eating it - it least where i come from.

This post has been edited by Argo: Sep 28 2005, 07:55 AM

Im not saying you should smoke pot for asthma.LOL. I was just pointing out that weve been lied to. Marijuana is a safe and harmless drug.

If anything this is why it should be legal and aspirin should be outlawed.

HOW DANGEROUS IS MARIJUANA
COMPARED WITH OTHER SUBSTANCES?

Number of American deaths per year that result directly or primarily from the following selected causes nationwide, according to World Almanacs, Life Insurance Actuarial (death) Rates, and the last 20 years of U.S. Surgeon Generals' reports.

TOBACCO 340,000 to 450,000

ALCOHOL (Not including 50% of all highway deaths and 65% of all murders) 150,000+

ASPIRIN (Including deliberate overdose) 180 to 1,000+

CAFFEINE (From stress, ulcers, and triggering irregular heartbeats, etc.) 1,000 to 10,000

"LEGAL" DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from legal, prescribed or patent medicines and/or mixing with alcohol - e.g. Valium/alcohol 14,000 to 27,000

ILLICIT DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from all illegal drugs. 3,800 to 5,200

MARIJUANA 0 Deaths in recorded history.

(Marijuana users also have the same or lower incidence of murders and highway deaths and accidents than the general non-marijuana using population as a whole. Crancer Study, UCLA; U.S. Funded ($6 million), First & Second Jamaican Studies, 1968 to 1974; Costa Rican Studies, 1980 to 1982; et al. LOWEST TOXICITY 100% of the studies done at dozens of American universities and research facilities show pot toxicity does not exist. Medical history does not record anyone dying from an overdose of marijuana (UCLA, Harvard, Temple, etc.).

This post has been edited by Kaleem: Sep 28 2005, 08:31 AM

"only trust statistics, youve faked yourself!"

are you sure there are 0 deaths? really sure? what about car accidents that result from marijuana use? you know, marijuana makes you tired and slow - thats why yuo tend to drift away on a coach while smoking joints. what if you kill 3 other people in another car?

what you are telling is that marijuana is harmless... you are right! it doesnt kill you! if you mix it with tobacco, you might get cancer, but hey, the marijuana itself doesnt kill you! thats right!


ive been smoking marijuana for years, so i know what we are talking about (i stopped smoking it 3 years ago however)

This post has been edited by Argo: Sep 28 2005, 08:37 AM

You should never drive intoxicated (on anything).

I think its kind of funny how everyone who posts in this thread has to proclaim
"BUT I NEVER USED MARIJUANA" after their comment.

Its so funny! Is the stigma of pot smokers that all of you have built up in your mind so bad you have to put as much distance as possible.

Now thats what I call brainwashing. Ill join in too.

I NEVER SMOKED MARIJUANA.















I just liked the smell.LOL

This post has been edited by Kaleem: Sep 28 2005, 09:15 AM

please re-read my post:



funny thing is, when i used to smoke it, i used to argue just like the same as you do now, with all the "but why is alcohol legal" and "marijuana does not make addictive and does not kill you" arguments. and i know people who still smoke it and pull out those exact same arguments all the time. think again about the brainwashing thing.

man, if you want to smoke, do it and have fun. i never said thats a bad thing to do, but its not a good thing neither.


thats all from me on this topic. argo out!

This post has been edited by Argo: Sep 28 2005, 09:41 AM

Sure, maybe if America was a democracy, but it's not, its a constitutional republic, there's a big difference. I've never seen the right to use drugs in the constitution, therefore there is no reason for it to be legal. If you want a democracy, leave.

Sure, but that doesn't nullify his point at all.



"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

the states should do their jobs and stop trying to control everything.




so because he wants to change what he thinks is wrong in our country, he should leave? I think the opposite. I think he should try to make a difference and make this country a place he would like living in better.

And besides that, where would he go? I can't think a any country that is a true democracy.

1. he was emplying that he had the right and under a democracy he would( more in answer for #2)

2. states or the people, not states and the people, It's saying that if neither the constitution or the state say something about it it's up to the people, but the states have outlawed, therefore it isn't up to the people.

3. I was saying that if he wants unlimited individual rights then leave because that will never (and should never) happen here.

1. see 2.


2. And I was saying that the states should drop it and let the people decide for themselves, hence my statement that the states should get off of our backs. They could be putting money to far better use than drug law enforcement.

3. No, if that's what he believes, then he should stay and try to make it a place he would rather be in. Even a Republic allows that.