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RobRendell
post Nov 6 2005, 02:54 AM
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If you're referring to this post, which I'll quote here:
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Then the best thing to do is just stop doing Friday updates and then at least I'll only be damned one way instead of two.

The problem is never in what's promised. The problem is always in what's expected, versus what's delivered. I never came on here last week saying there was a huge update for last Friday and somehow didn't live up to my promise. You guys went overboard predicting what it was and didn't get what you wished for or hoped for.

You know what it is for this week. It'll be exactly what I said it would be. After that, we'll have to see.

then I think some people have imputed emotions to it that aren't neccessarily there. He sounded to me, when I first read it, like he was slightly annoyed, but arguing clear-headedly and rationally, and his "we'll have to see" just meant "I'm not promising anything specific after this week" (which is fair, since they rarely promise anything in advance any week).

In the light of Bethesda's silence for so long after the Take2 announcement, some people started interpreting it as Pete saying he was packing up his bat and ball and going home. But I don't think that's the only interpretation of what he said, or even a particularly likely one.

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post Nov 6 2005, 03:11 AM
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QUOTE(ShogunSniper @ Nov 5 2005, 08:56 AM)
what happened there?  did the design team die?
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Yeah, well, Peter Molyneux (or however you spell it) was trying to make the perfect RPG, and let's just say it took a bit longer than they expected (they actually started on it before the xbob was released and made it on to shelves last fall).


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post Nov 7 2005, 06:50 PM
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I love the selfish replies of "I won't be able to get it this month so I don't care if everyone else has to wait."

I can see no conceivable excuse for delaying a game we've been told was essentially finished for months.
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post Nov 7 2005, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE(Hrafnkel @ Nov 7 2005, 01:50 PM)
I love the selfish replies of "I won't be able to get it this month so I don't care if everyone else has to wait."
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so you don't mind suffering as long as others are too?
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post Nov 8 2005, 12:08 AM
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@_fool, I think the "I love" bit was sarcasm smile.gif

@Hrafnkel, software development can be like that. You've got all the features in, it's all going swimmingly, and then someone on your QA team does something none of the developers or designers ever thought of (but once pointed out you can anticipate a decent fraction of all players doing) which uncovers new bugs, or even just breaks the balance of the game.

Alternatively, it could be related to preformance and/or FPS. It's usually best to get software more-or-less finished, trying to be efficient in general of course, but not spending ages optimising for performance until you can run some profiling tools over your otherwise finished code and find the true bottlenecks. It's very easy to convince yourself that this big ugly algorithm must be the cause of poor performance, and spend ages re-writing it to get it perfect, when a profiling tool will show you that the code actually spends the most time in some small underlying function that's used everywhere and was written at the outset of the project in a quick-and-dirty fashion to get something running, and then never re-examined.

Anyway, look on the bright side: waiting4oblivion can keep its name for a few months longer smile.gif

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post Nov 8 2005, 06:41 AM
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Morrowind was actually "delayed" several times in its development. I believe it was started in '96. While it wasnt officially delayed because Bethesda used the same release date strategy then(which I think works quite well). Morrowind had to be constantly rewritten for new Windows platforms that kept coming out. GPU technology was also advancing faster than they had anticipated and of course they were working with a much smaller budget then too. While I havent touched a console since the original nintendo and dont ever intend to get one again.... I have to say I was really happy Morrowind was ported to the xbox. It provided a much larger budget for Oblivion with a much shorter development time. So in fact the wait for me has been very little... the 6 year wait between daggerfall/morrowind down to only a 3 year wait for Oblivion. wink.gif

Besides that.. Not getting a buggy game to me is worth more time if they need it. I just bought Civ4 a week or so ago and have been playing it and modding it extensively since then... but it came packaged with LOTS of bugs that should have been squashed prior to release. When I first installed it... it didnt even run... I had to copy two .dll files from c:\windows to install directory manually before it would start. I was the lucky one.... Many people with ATI cards are having crash after crash. I do have a memory leak that makes the game slowly lose performance until it crashes. It is an awesome game, but it could have used a month or two more in the oven I think. So hopefully all will be well with Oblivion when we get it.

Now I am off to finish conquering the world!!


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post Nov 8 2005, 07:49 AM
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I Agree with Neela, I couldn’t imagine having that kind of enduring patience. And people are complaining because of a 3 month wait, I'm apart of the half life community, so I know what im talking about when I say 3 months is hardly anything to wait. Besides, theres a plethora of good games coming out soon

Gun
Perfect Dark Zero
Quake IV
Alan Wake
The Movies
Call of duty 2
Battlefield 2: Special Forces
Marc Ecko's Getting Up: Contents Under Pressure

Look more up!
plenty of games in the mean time, and the new consoles to boot, its a good season for gaming.


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post Nov 8 2005, 03:21 PM
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Why Oblivion is delayed is undisclosed, and I think it will stay this way, because most probably it is a mix of several things:

My very personal opinion is that the technical problems are with the Xbox version of the game, not the PC version. Microsoft shipped the dev kits one month late, and porting the game to the actual hardware of the Xbox certainly isn't a trivial thing. It has a lot of graphics power, but it is on the lower side of memory and processing power (and Oblivion will be processor heavy for sure).

The most plausible reason for a delay I can imagine is that this game needs a lot of balancing regarding the economic aspects of Oblivion. If you remember, the economics in Morrowind were broken beyond believe. You made money extremely fast, and the unprotected loot got way too powerful with the middle player levels. In his posting, Pete said that they have playtested Oblivion much more than any other previous game, and earlier on he once statet that the devs have spreadsheets galore to balance the game as good as possible.

I don't think they have any showstopping bugs in there anymore, just a lack of finetuning - which would mean an essential flaw.

And when is "early 2006"? All I know is that January is a bad month for a major release, and I doubt that Bethesda and T2 would release the game then even if it is finished. Instead, they will put the extra time into the game and refine it even more.


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post Nov 8 2005, 06:00 PM
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people are starting to really over-analyze a simple little delay. Its just fixing some bugs, try having the game being delayed like this for another year for seemingly no reason.



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post Nov 8 2005, 08:02 PM
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I agree that the reason will remain undisclosed, I don't think anyone doubts that. They certainly haven't told us anything else.

As for the other great games coming out, I can think of Gun and CoD2. I'm just assuming that The Movies will be disappointing because of who's developing it.
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post Nov 8 2005, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE(RobRendell @ Nov 7 2005, 07:08 PM)
@_fool, I think the "I love" bit was sarcasm smile.gif

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of course it was sarcasm. he was stating how he didnt like selfish people who complain about suffering as if they are the only ones going through it.

so i assume he thinks it's ok as long as others are suffering
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post Nov 8 2005, 10:28 PM
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this really sucks, is it like definate or could they still release it them, cause i reserved a copy, and they said december 5 is when they were getting it, so im thinking it might not be true
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post Nov 8 2005, 10:35 PM
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early '06 is official...


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post Nov 8 2005, 10:45 PM
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i dont think it was a smart move, at least in the U.S. here, cause 2/3 of the money made by stores here is around christmas, and oblivion coming out after that will lose some of the not extreme elder scrolls lover's
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post Nov 8 2005, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE(Florodine of Hlaalu @ Nov 8 2005, 02:45 PM)
i dont think it was a smart move, at least in the U.S. here, cause 2/3 of the money made by stores here is around christmas, and oblivion coming out after that will lose some of the not extreme elder scrolls lover's
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post Nov 9 2005, 03:51 AM
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QUOTE(rockandroll829 @ Nov 8 2005, 04:34 PM)
Dnt Forget Chanukah  tongue.gif
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You guys seem to be forgetting one major point: the game isn't finished!


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post Nov 9 2005, 06:20 AM
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QUOTE(Florodine of Hlaalu @ Nov 9 2005, 08:45 AM)
i dont think it was a smart move, at least in the U.S. here, cause 2/3 of the money made by stores here is around christmas, and oblivion coming out after that will lose some of the not extreme elder scrolls lover's
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i dont think people buy it because it cristmas but they just get the sales quicker.


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post Nov 9 2005, 07:06 AM
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QUOTE(Wurlon @ Nov 2 2005, 09:56 PM)
Either way, who really cares. When it comes out it comes out.....
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post Nov 9 2005, 07:32 PM
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All i can do is pray that its some kind of hoax. Im too excited to be let down.
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QUOTE(Sage_of_the_scrolls @ Nov 9 2005, 12:32 PM)
All i can do is pray that its some kind of hoax. Im too excited to be let down.
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