Alright... The battle is basically going to be the end of the Silhouette and miran working together, cause they make it into the city, however once there, Florodine, and his army, and then hlaalu come, and Miran never sent the reinforcements, so the Silhouette escape with the other silhouettes and moldair, and they kill miran. Then he will have to find a new place to work for. Though if any of you have an idea of what he should join just tell me

This post has been edited by Florodine of Hlaalu: Dec 22 2005, 12:52 PM

"Mean while a battering ram had reached the gate, and was doing great damage to it."

I do believe I have already said the bridges going into Vivec have been withdrawn. as to how you have a battering ram in water, ramming into a gate that is 10 feet above the water's surface is beyond me.

Hrm, Megil you ever going to have that Ordinator respond to Jonacin?

respond to Jonacin? My bad I don't even remember that post, I'll go back and find it.

Since we seem to have forgotten in this moldair must win campaign, let us look at Vivec as it is:


You are coming in from land, the first thing you come across is Water, oh my. this really does pose a problem since you can't really access the walls without crossing the water, especially since the water gets a good 15-20 feet deep right neer the walls. and I withdrew the bridges to the gates long ago in my first battle post.

So seeing as how this is part of the ocean there are tides, so the Gate into Vivec would be positioned above the highest tide, a good 6-10 feet above the water surface. with no bridge available to your army you would need to have a battering ram that is either on a boat, or is 25-26 feet in height (water depth+ position of gate)

You must then also consider that sylphs are detroying any unkown ship entering Vivec's waters, to you really couldn't get a battering ram out there as it would be sunk long before it reaches the locale.

You must then consider the height of the walls, a good 20 feet in height from city level, which is approximately at the same hieght as the gate from teh water's surface, but can be higher up. This would make the water front side of the walls a good 26-30 feet in height. and The towers are 10 feet higher than the wall, making them 36-40 in height from the outside. so in order to be able to escalte to wall height the siege towers would need to be on boats (which has already been explained as to why it would not work. Or they would have to be built in such a manner that you overcome the depth of the water, and the height of the wall. which means your siege towers would hve to be about 60 feet in height. And this is only if you attack the lowest parts of the city.

All-in-all it is a very well designed and efficient fortress. Yet you disregard the actual realism of these obstacles and instead attack vivec as if it were Ald-rhun or something.

You realy should revise your battle tactics for as it currently stands your moves make little or now sense for attacking a city that is in the water and is SURROUNDED by water.


Let us also address something else. You are the one stupid enough to erect leather tents over your army, It is therefore YOUR responsability to deal with the aftermath. It takes seconds for the leather to be penetrated and the spores to fill the space under the tarps. This is logica, so anything withing lets say 20feet of the landing sporebags would have a high concentration of spores withing 5-10 seconds. You also said you had erected these tarps over your army, and since your army is so large It is not possible for them to escape from beneath the tarps in time to escape the spores, or the burning tarps. many, by the thousands even would inhale the spores at tixoc levels, and the air thick with spores would ause troops to begin hacking and coughing as their mucus membranes in their lung are covered in the spores, and their boddies are trying to rid themselves of the spores. under extreme exposure the spores would block airways and people would choke. this is guaranteed to happen, and considering the enormous size of your army, the casualties from direct exposure would be in the hundreds if not the thousands. at lighter exposures the lungs would still be trying to rid themselves of the spores, and therefore your would have troops in the thousands that would be impaired from combat, this is disregarding the toxicity of the spores, once that kicks in you would have a large percentage of the impaired group suffering from illness caused by the toxin, and some of these would die later on a few hours after exposure, some even a few days.

So It is IMPOSSIBLE for your army to mirculously escape from under the tarps, and somehow miraculously suffer no ill effect from inhaling hundredas of thousands of spores.

This is far from realistic. So stop your invincible stance here and suffer the price of War. your army is after all MORTAL. I have not objected to your killing of my ordinators, And Personally you have suffered much more damage than you say you have. So please if you are going to wage war, be realictic and suffer the casualties that would come from these actions.

This post has been edited by Megil Tel-Zeke: Dec 22 2005, 07:37 PM

any way to have Sel join Jonacin?

Sel could see the troops go through along with Jonacin and Sel could run over... would that work? or is it overly simplified?

yeah, I was looking for a non-oversimplified way. I mean, he could run after him or something, but that's highly unlikely, and would never happen.

Maybe Megil could send for him or something? maybe that's oversimplified as well.

(oversimplified has become my favorite word)

I wouldn't send for him. Following Jona seems to most logical path. or he could simply work his way to the frontline.

Ok...Serene will also come, she needs some battle right now.....to much idleness for her! So she´ll just run after the men.......

Hehe, everyone wants to follow Jonacin off to war

She´s married to him!.......She has to stand by her man......

Hmm g-modding has a new king Megil. The tarp thing was a real tactic, used by Josephus at the battle of Jotapata when Vespasian invaded Galilee, it was fresh leather, not flamable, and for the most part it only fell under heavy stones. And being fresh leather it wasn't flammable. So with your logic, things that have been proven have no bering on anything very well, i quit this battle,

Also i never said i wasn't loosing many, while you have tried to keep the nonchalant, appearance like every thing you do is superior. Well you won, your extreme god modding destroyed the army. No not your good RPing your aweful RPing. NEVER call me stupid

This post has been edited by Florodine of Hlaalu: Dec 22 2005, 10:47 PM

Not flamable to normal fires.

These are fireballs were talking here. Things that cause nice soft, wet living tissure to turn to ash very quickly (unless your a dunmer, they're hard to burn by any means). Fireballs have a nasty habbit of turning even the freshest leather tarp to a burning deathtrap.

Though I have to wonder why Megil used 'mushroom spores' when frankly, poison spells could have achieved the same effect. *shrug*



Editted the townsfolk to a but of foolhardy adventurers. 'cause....you know, adventurers have a nasty habit of doing stupid compassion, and I didn't feel compelled to change my post that much.

Yes but his mages aren't anywhere near the camp. they camped quite a ways from the city, so even their catapults wouldn't reach their, i knew that when megil said he was attacking there, but went along with it to not cause arguement

come on guys, no need for arguments over a game. This is just for fun and chill time, no need for insults and the like.

Aki, I was thinking; there should be some sort of incident that makes Telvanni and Redoran angry at each other. Kind of like the Lusitania dispute between America and Germany before WWI Germany said they didn't do it, and America said they did, and boom. War.

This post has been edited by Dantrag: Dec 22 2005, 11:43 PM

What Danny said! let´s have fun and no arguments!......And yes let them two houses have a bit of quarrel.....I´ll have to be on the redoran-side, I´ll be Athyn Sarethi, and then I think the Ashlanders just have to put their noses right into it...

Hey minque, as Athyn, could you have him ask Sel back into House Redoran?

(he quits in the fan fic a little later)

Sure! no problems....Athyn will recognise him maybe, as being his teacher..hehe....and then naturally want to have him in the house again!

Yeah im sorry Megil, but the battle is over anyway, so there is not need for arguement.

Yeah. Just gotta figure out what kind of incident we want. What would work given both houses' attitudes.