All in all I think you´re a pretty nice guy Danny! ......really!

Well it is school, so i do have absolutely nothing better to do

touché

This post has been edited by Dantrag: Jan 6 2006, 11:43 PM

I must say I rather enjoy reading all of your opinions on cliques.

it is in human nature to categorize. You will simply have to deal with the fact. even those of you who are so ardently 'against' cliques have stated what clique they would be in if they were. No one likes cliques they jsut happen. Common interest is the main motivator. You will be categorized for the rest of your life, you must simply learn to accept that and live on with your life. Just remember no matter what be yourself, don't stereotype yourself to fit in.

I guess I've always been categorized as "the guy in the corner." Not really falling in with the preps, goths, skaters, etc, but rather with 'the others'.

Oh well, in college it all seemed to shift into one massive clique composed of previously more specific cliques. I see goths and preps hanging out togther all the time now, that rarely happened as far as I can remember back in grade school.

And yes, up until college I really could see little point into waking up every morning just to drag myself someplace I really didn't want to go. I know I have soaked up something from all of those wasted years, but if you ask me specifically, there's no way I can give you an answer. It must have went into an ear as I slept through half the day.

And now, college classes start back up in a matter of days. To my suprise, I'm actually looking forward to going back. Although I will miss the freedom of going to bed whenever I'm tired rather than having to sleep at night so I'm awake in the morning.

But hey, at least they've got good coffee there.

I'm hoping to get into video game programming. I hear it's kind of hard to get in, but it does seem like a promising field. Not to mention the classes I've had to take so far are actually fun.

Mocking people is easy for me, sarcasm comes as a second nature, and my first thoughts tend to be sarcastic, followed by more serious ones. But I can't talk about people esily, not one of my talents. I can't gossip well, can't keep track of who likes who and who doesn't, and all that stuff. Not one of my strong point. My memory works one of two ways, depending on what I'm trying to remember. I can easily remember some things, but more mundane things like names, current events, and what I ate for dinner all escape me. Either way, my mind is like a bear trap. Rusty and illegal in 48 states.

Cliques happen, nothing will stop that. People have to categorize things, just basic human nature. Everything has to fit into neat little boxes, and when something doesn't, they either force it inside anyways or they make a new box for it. Don't have to like it, but accepting it makes everything so much easier. And, in the end, if you keep your mind open to the possibility that you might be categorizing things wrong, and if you accept that some people don't want to be categorized, then there isn't much harm in it.

I don't hate the cliques themselves, just the fact that many people are blinded by them, so to speak.

For example, find me a 'punk' that is pro-life. You probably won't because most 'punks' feel like they have to be liberal in every sense of the word. I honestly think that less than half of the people screaming "F*** Bush" at Bad Religion concerts know why they are doing so, other than the fact that everyone around them does. I could apply this to every clique out there. 'Emos' have to act sad all the time, 'gangstas' have to act tough all the time, 'preps' have to be in fashion. The stupidity is neverending.

Next point -

Cliques are formed because you want to be friends with someone similar to yourself, no? Why can't a prep be friends with a goth? Sure they look different, but their feelings towards other things besides fashion could be very similar. Ninety-nine percent of the time, those two people will never be friends because of the gap formed by being in those cliques. By conforming to a clique, you limit yourself horribly.

This post has been edited by Dantrag: Jan 7 2006, 05:19 AM

You guys go to crappy highschools.

My highschool has 140 students, and most of us are delinquents from the bigger highschools in the district. Actually, it's made up of:

Kids who don't give a crap

Kids who are lower income and have to support their family

Kids with certain social or family problems that make life hard enough with all the pressure

Kids who hate homework

Kids who use it for dual enrollment so they can take classes at college

We have no cliques or stereotypes, there isn't a big gap between teachers and students

I could sort of be considered all of the above except for having a low income and not caring. Likewise, we have different cliques, but they're not really cliques, and sometimes people misinterpret cliques. It seems to me at my old high school cliques were mostly about exclusion than inclusion. Here its just people have their friends but they'll hang out with whoever is around, and almost every human being at this school could have a conversation with another. No one feels pressure to conform either, like a lot of my friends smoke a lot of weed and are total burnouts, but I don't feel any pressure to smoke as much, and sometimes I want to get in my other friend's 15 second car and hit the freeway looking for some place to eat. After school sometimes I'll literally just hop in a random car with some homies from my school and head out to a club or something.

The best part is you always have a ride home, and when I drive my car will probably be unintentionally packed, too.

I want to go to your school.

Doomeds school is purty good sounding.

Lets put it this way.

I don't fit in with the "nerds" "geeks" "emos" etc. etc. I have been influenced by my sorroundings to make the choice that I refuse to be how they are.. Loners, outcasts (own doing), better then you attitudes. And the list goes on, thats not to say all of them are like that..

Hah, I almost died laughing last year at our school when the Nerd group of about 60+ kids started a "Civil War" as we labeled it. They broke into like 7 diff groups. Retarded if you ask me, and it was over something stupid.

We, as humans, are social creatures and as such, I will make sure that I am very socialable..(?) I love having friends, and I love a good time. The funny thing is, this atomatically vaults me up to the Prep, Jock, or even Gangsta clique... But in all reality, I am a 16 year old highschool kid, that wants to keep his girlfriend and graduate highschool with good enough grades to get me into a college that will help me be a better, smarter person.... and to learn how much beer I can chug

I´ll just say that you, Danny, Channler, Doomed, Kindred, Megil, Kell, etc, are really nice and smart guys that anyone would love to have as friends! And your parents must be very proud of you.....I would be if you were my sons...

So I was included in the etc right Minque?

but yeah like I said I have a decent school, have a fair amout of friend and am kept busy so i can't realy complane.

Well, as far as categorizing goes, I'm the quiet kid who doesn't socialize hardly at all with others, and none at all with the opposite gender. I generally try to find a seat in class where no one will talk to me, usually by other quiet kids.

Problem: There aren't any other kids quite as withdrawn as me.

Generally some jerk will sit beside me and end up mocking me, but they stop eventually when they realize that I completely ignore them.

In some classes I have become known as a "smart kid", which is almost just as annoying because than I constantly hear chatter where other people put themselves down when talking about me.

Life sucks . . .

I'm glad I don't have one.

Kindred you said that you either have to fit in a neat little box or create a new one. . Well I seem to have refused to do either.

I prefer suitcases.

I guess I could be categorized as a loner, but I have friends, just not in most of my classes. I'm in the only advanced classes my school offers, and those classes are generally the only place I can make friends in, because they seem to think like me. Very few act like me though: I'm clumsy and I tend to embarrass myself very thoroughly when the girl I fancy is in the same classroom as I am.

That's sad Gamer

I don't see myself as the very popular guy but I'm popular, but that doesn't mean anything to me anyway. I usually get along with everyone, both girls and boys and everyone likes me. Maybe I don't hang out with all those we could call loners or nerds but I don't have anything against them and don't mock them either. Of course some of my other friends does it but... I usually ignore that, I try to stay friends with everyone.

But here in Norway, at least on many schools here are quite different from USA, at least from what I'm hearing now. Because we really don't care much about being popular or not and almost everyone on my school has a lot of friends.

I'm looking forward to starting in Highschool soon, I have a quite many friends around on other schools and hope I can come to the same Highschool as them. And of course I get a big chance to get new friends when I move on to another Highschool too

Moving on to another topic, at least I'm doing that... because I might be visiting the USA sometime in the near future. We got a Christmas Letter from a friend of my father who works in NATO, and is currently living in a place near the NATO HQs or what I can call it in the USA. Don't remember which state or anything, but we were invited and still my father says is just a maybe, but I would really enjoy visiting the USA... Would be a great experiance I think, leaving Europe

Yes sweetie..you and Fuzzy, gamer, all of you!......

*chocolae chip cookies, pizza for everyone*

Observant, aren't you? Yes, we do. Or at least, I consider my high school crappy, others might not, if they went there. It really depends. The school itself isn't that bad, but the other stuff sucks.

Lucky. Or maybe not. My school was designed for a maximum capacity of 800 students. We have 1200+. And our cliques aren't so much all the preps, all the goths, all the jocks, all the emos, etc... It's split up further than that, it'll be a couple of smaller sets within those. And most people fit in with two or three groups of different stereotypes.

Again, lucky. Or maybe not. There are people who will not allow you to speak to them. If you do, they make your life a living hell. Didn't happen to me (I realized what would happen ahead of time and kept my mouth shut) but one of my friends found rumors flouting arounf that she was a whore because she talked to someone who was just "better than her."


You're funny. Nice and smart guy, maybe, it really depends on the situation or time. I've done many stupid things, I'm too sarcastic to be really nice a lot, but I tend to be fairly nice most of the time. And my parents... My dad mostly cares where I am so that he can go out with his friends and not lose the little one to my mother for negligence. Other than that, I can go anywhere, he doesn't care. Then my mother doesn't trust me out of her sight. Probably because a lot of my friends smoke. Or because I refuse to introduce her to my friends. Or because if I did introduce them, I would be grounded forever.


Ah. No, it's that other people tend to put you in the boxes, not that you go into them voluntarily.

Ah. You have class, gamer10.

Sorry to change the subject, but.....

minque turns 100 in March!

(I just looked at her profile, and it said her birathday was in 1906)

Yes.....I am a wise woman am I not?


Edit: do not believe all I´m saying!

Women are very conscious about their age. It's best to stay away from topics that deal with personal info about women. You'll only end up sleeping on the couch and finding yourself writing up a list of things you can do to make her happy again. Like going to the store and buying large amounts of Chocolate.

As for school, I never got to experience it to the fullest. I was forced to drop out of high school in my junior year and to go to work. My dad had left us and with my mother not being able to make much at the time I was forced to grab a job doing construction on the docks in downtown Wilmington. After spending several years of doing the dirty work I decided that the best thing I could do with my life at the time was to join the military. So I took my friends car and went to the nearest Recruiters office. The end.

This moment of Jonajosa's life was brought to you by: The little Coffee Shop, Waiting4Oblivion forums, The Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion, and... well... me.

Channler, you probably wouldn't like my school as much if you learned basically all the teachers are pretty left-wing. One of out staff members who handled disciplinary problems, yard-duty, and all that stuff that makes him an antagonist (though he's still a cool guy) is republican, but that's it. They're extremely respectful of everybody, as well as the student body.

Most of the people here don't just hate Bush because its punk, but have reasonable opinions, and people who support the war or have other right-wing views feel comfortable arguing and don't feel like they're getting cornered. They probably feel more comfortable here than at the mainstream schools where teachers are obligated not to show their opinion. Hell, I'm pretty left of center myself, and even I constantly argue with my teachers about things (for isntance I think Hugo Chavez practices rulership by the majority to accomplish change, and though it seems like progressive, good change, he's still ignoring the political freedoms of the minority making him no better than the republicans in this country.)

Jonjosa, I would make the same decision in your shoes if I agreed with our current regime. Actually, you and I have a lot more in common than you'd think. I think the military is a great thing for people who don't know what to do to give their lives meaning. I just don't agree with how its being used.