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Ola Martin
post Mar 12 2006, 11:25 PM
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ok good laugh.gif
cause I just bough it
I know too little about computers...

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post Mar 13 2006, 02:36 AM
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how many megabytes are there in a gigabyte


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post Mar 13 2006, 07:40 AM
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1024mb in a gb


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post Mar 14 2006, 12:23 AM
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QUOTE(Ola Martin @ Mar 13 2006, 07:40 AM)
1024mb in a gb
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No, 1 gigabyte is 1 000 000 000 bytes, or 1000 megabytes.
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post Mar 14 2006, 02:19 AM
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ok good cuz i have like 100 gigabytes of space. You know how there are requirements to install the game, how can you check to see if you have them or not


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post Mar 14 2006, 06:20 AM
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QUOTE(1234king @ Mar 14 2006, 02:19 AM)
ok good cuz i have like 100 gigabytes of space. You know how there are requirements to install the game, how can you check to see if you have them or not
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Well... if you want to know how much free space you have... click on my computer in the start menu(I am assuming you are running XP). Then Right-click on the hard-drive icon and select properties from the menu. That will show how much drive space you are using/have free.

However, you don't want to use all that space as the operating system also uses that space for swap files. So I would suggest leaving a few GBs free at all times.
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post Mar 14 2006, 07:05 AM
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QUOTE(Jokkocze @ Mar 13 2006, 07:23 PM)
No, 1 gigabyte is 1 000 000 000 bytes, or 1000 megabytes.
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Actually, I'm pretty sure 1 GB = 1024 MB because that's how a computer counts. Most people just say 1000 because we're human and it's a nicer number.

QUOTE(Neela @ Mar 14 2006, 01:20 AM)
However, you don't want to use all that space as the operating system also uses that space for swap files.  So I would suggest leaving a few GBs free at all times.
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A good rule of thumb is to leave 10% of yor HDD space empty for swap files and other various tasks.


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post Mar 14 2006, 07:41 AM
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I have only couple of gigs left, good thing I have 50 DVDs


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post Mar 14 2006, 09:09 AM
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QUOTE(Maiyn @ Mar 9 2006, 09:54 PM)
Hello,
Where As ill probly be playing oblivion on the 360 i got from the pepsi contest seeing it definatly has more power then my pc. But im just wondering how you all think my PC would stand up to it? I just got done looking at the specs requirments for it and im definetly thinking maybe not lol.


My Computer is...
CPU:  AMD Athlon™ 64 Processor 3000+,  MMX,  3DNow, ~1.8GHz
Ram: 1024mb
Video Card:GeForce 7800GS 256mb - AGP 8X
Sound: Is onboard
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I would think you are bragging if your cpu were 50% better, but I think you should run just fine, You might have to tone down one thing or two by just a little b/c of your cpu, as the min is 2 gigHz I THINK, but they say its more graphics card heavy and you have one of the lastest and most impressive graphics cards I've seen, so you will prolly run the game better than some of the devs, lol.

QUOTE(ShotFromBehind @ Mar 10 2006, 12:32 AM)
Yeah man go to www.ibuypower.com. I have had 3 friends and a few customers get theirs from there after my suggestion and they have had 0 problems. O yeah and its pretty cheap for what you get smile.gif
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thanks, man. I will check it out....sorry you got shot...did you get a good look at him? by the way what kinda business are you in? I used to have customers......

QUOTE(Red @ Mar 10 2006, 08:26 AM)
Hey everyone, I was wondering if anyone had a list of the cheaper (but compatable with oblivion) video cards. I had found one before, but I forgot to bookmark and can't find it anywhere on google. Thanks in advance.
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there are several posts about video cards that do and don't work for oblivion already up in the forums and in the interviews and quotes, not to mentio at the elderscrolls.com site To find what the cards cost go to a custom computer company place on the net...like bestbuy.com or something similar and see what they are selling it for.

QUOTE(NBFFLStars @ Mar 10 2006, 09:32 AM)
How does my system stack up?

Intel P4 2.66Ghz 512k 800FSB Boxed CPU
AX4SG-N S478 P4 ATX 800mhz FSB Board (Intel Video + LAN) 512MB
PC3200 400mhz DDR Compucase 6A19 Mid-tower w/300 ATX
3.5" FDD
Serial/ATA 150mb/s 120GB 7200rpm HDD
Mitsumi DVD+R/+RW Drive
MS Windows XP Pro.
VX700 Viewsonic 17" LCD Monitor w/speakers 1280x1024, 500:1, 25ms
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honestly, there is too much info here....which leads me to suspect that you have no idea what any of that means but it was expensive....or you are bragging....in either case, you case in unimportant for this, as are your speakers, not unimportant as in not going to be used but unimportant as in I didn't need that info to help you see if your system would run OB. I am not so familiar with some of the brands you are using but I can tell you a 2.66 pent 5 is fine, if the DVD reads at 8x or beter it'll work, and I don't see a RAM value, and I am unfamilar with how your graphics card company stacks up with other cards.

QUOTE(ian80 @ Mar 10 2006, 01:34 PM)
Okay, to be honest, upgrading isn't really an option. I'm a poor, poor student. However, I'd thought I'd show you my system anyway, so that you can laugh at me and then hopefully tell me how (or if) Oblivion will run:

Intel 4 2.55 Ghz processor
512 MB RAM
Radeon 9600 128 MB
a crappy turtle beach soudn card...

Will I even be able to run it? And if I do, what kind of graphics and framerate am I in for?
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um did you read mine? I don't think they will laugh at yours for a few hours after the stitch in their side from my system wears off...here is a comparison

you...........................................me
intel4-2.66 Ghz,,,,.......,,,,,,intel3-866 Mhz
512 RAM.....................128 Ram then added later another 128 RAM
radeon 9600 w\ 128..........GForce4 with 64
and I don't even know when I got a sound card...think I am running on whatever they add in to make the OS sounds b/f adding a sound card, lol.

anyway, here are the minimum specs for OB: be ready to think

Minimum System Requirements:
Windows XP
512MB System RAM
2 Ghz Intel Pentium 4 or equivalent processor
128MB Direct3D compatible video card
and DirectX 9.0 compatible driver;
8x DVD-ROM drive
4.6 GB free hard disk space
DirectX 9.0c (included)
DirectX 8.1 compatible sound card


so I am unsure about the sound and the specs on your specific vcard and I don't know if you even have a DVD drive....but that is how it stands........look up the vcard specs on the net is my suggestion and then you will know...so you will be just barely above minimum specs...which is far better than me at the moment...I still don't have a DVD drive yet....or a comp that can run the setup program, lol.


QUOTE(Sir Radont @ Mar 14 2006, 01:05 AM)
Actually, I'm pretty sure 1 GB = 1024 MB because that's how a computer counts.  Most people just say 1000 because we're human and it's a nicer number.
A good rule of thumb is to leave 10% of yor HDD space empty for swap files and other various tasks.
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ok, the prefixes giga-, and mega-, come from ancient dead civilizations from a far off land....called the greeks. And the definition of a gigaunit is 1x10^9 units....yea I said unit get over it beavis...allusions aside... the definition of a megaunit is 1x10^6 , or a million, units. But as computers do not run in a base ten system as your numerical system does it is not possible for a computer to have either of these numbers as a memory unit. This stims from the nature of binary code which is the universal language of the digital technologies. binary code consists of only 1's and 0's and each new place that is made available thusly multiply's the old maximum amount of memory by two, all the previous combinations followed by a one, and all the previous combinations followed by a zero.

So a gigabyte IS 1000 megbytes, but not computer has that amount, but instead have 2^17 or 131,072 bytes of information when someone used to say a "one megabyte computer" but not all of those bytes were usable memory storage space because of how memory is managed, especially in windows OS, in a 'gigabyte' there is actually 2^20 bytes, or 1,048,576 which is near to the 1x10^6 (1,000,000) that it is named after/ rounded off to.

So you both have a decent enough point, but this leason should prove minorly educational if not boring, class dismissed.

DARN, I forgot to assign homework....that's ok they KNOW what they should do.


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post Mar 14 2006, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(jchamber @ Mar 8 2006, 08:47 PM)
can I buy your old one?  and what else was improved?


late reply biggrin.gif Been quite busy recently

Question 1 : Sorry m8 I am giving my older one to my mum, she needs a computer for work stuff and she likes to play Grim Fandango from time to time tongue.gif

Question 2 : Well I actually decided to get 2GB ram instead of 1GB because I want to make sure this bloody game runs fast at max settings.
I could blabber on about all my new upgrades but I really feel like a right git boasting about my hardware specs.

All I can say is that I really did earn this PC cool.gif Social life was sacrificed so I could get a good pc to play this game laugh.gif thats how obsessed i am.
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post Mar 14 2006, 12:27 PM
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1024mb in a gb
No, 1 gigabyte is 1 000 000 000 bytes, or 1000 megabytes.
Actually, I'm pretty sure 1 GB = 1024 MB...
...A gigabyte IS 1000 megbytes...


As I'm certain you know, a bit is a digit in the binary number system. A kilobit is one thousand bits, a megabit is one million bits, and a gigabit is one billion (or milliard if you're so inclined) bits. Is that the system you're thinking of, Jokkocze and JChamber?

Bytes -- IE, eight bits -- are dealt with differently, for historical reasons. As the byte represents the smallest amount of data that can be read from or written to many storage devices, it's naturally specialized for dealing with storage. Its derived units, the kilobyte, megabyte, gigabyte, and others, share that disposition. For assembly language programmers, a consideration called memory alignment was (and remains to be) of concern. Data commonly needs to be arranged in a contiguous block starting at a particular type of byte known (for the purposes of this post) as an alignment boundary. The nth byte in a system occurs at the mth-byte alignment boundary if ld(m) is a member of the counting numbers set, and n modulo m is zero. Noncompliance meant that the program would either not run correctly, or suffer severe performance losses.

For a greater amount of data, the block often had to start at a rarer sort of alignment boundary (IE, a sixteenth-byte alignment boundary instead of a fourth-byte alignment boundary). Thus, as the capacity of storage devices grew, so did the demand for rarer and rarer alignment boundaries. A quick way to refer to a rare alignment boundary was needed. To my understanding, the one thousand twenty-fourth-byte alignment boundary was thus referred to as the kilobyte boundary. "Why not the one thousandth-byte alignment boundary," you ask? ld(1 000) is approximately 9.965 784, and thus there can never be a one thousandth-byte alignment boundary. 1 024 is close enough to 1 000 that it was an acceptable bastardization.

In time, the word "kilobyte" itself was used to refer to the distance between each consecutive kilobyte alignment boundary -- that is, 8 192 bits, or 1 024 bytes. Ola Martin and Sir Radont are correct.

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My Computer is...
CPU:  AMD Athlon™ 64 Processor 3000+,  MMX,  3DNow, ~1.8GHz
You might have to tone down one thing or two by just a little b/c of your cpu, as the min is 2 gigHz...


"2GHz Pentium 4 or equivalent." Any K8 at 1.8GHz is going to have no problems whatsoever matching the performance of a Pentium 4 2GHz.

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Yeah man go to www.ibuypower.com.


Don't. It's a rip-off.

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A good rule of thumb is to leave 10% of yor HDD space empty for swap files...


If your pagefile is growing without user intervention, then you've got bigger problems than hard disk space. Much better performance is to be had by turning off any pagefile auto-adjust "features" your OS touts, and having it take up a reasonable amount of space all the time.

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post Mar 14 2006, 02:03 PM
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Arrrggghhh!!! Bloody ES Forums!!!!!

After briefly scrolling through the crayon stained flaming and crying I noticed that people are talking about PC version not being able to run both full AA and HDR at the same time!

Is this true?
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I think that I should be able to run it. Got the following
A64 3700+ @ 2.63ghz
2gb OCZ Gold GX XTC Series
XFX 7800GT @ 493/1162
1xWD Raptor 36gb SATA
1xWD Raptor 74gb SATA
2xseagate barracuda 300gb IDE
2xseagate barracuda 500gb S-ATA
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post Mar 14 2006, 03:03 PM
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2 GB ram
Radeon X850XT 256 MB Video card (AGP sad.gif )
Athlon 3000+
250 GB SATA Hard Drive

Im thinkin about upgrading my video card to an x1800XT

other than that anything else that could use improvement?

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post Mar 14 2006, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE(Jokkocze @ Mar 14 2006, 02:10 PM)
I think that I should be able to run it. Got the following
A64 3700+ @ 2.63ghz
2gb OCZ Gold GX XTC Series
XFX 7800GT @ 493/1162
1xWD Raptor 36gb SATA
1xWD Raptor 74gb SATA
2xseagate barracuda 300gb IDE
2xseagate barracuda 500gb S-ATA
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QUOTE(Rapp0ng @ Mar 14 2006, 02:03 PM)
Arrrggghhh!!! Bloody ES Forums!!!!!

After briefly scrolling through the crayon stained flaming and crying I noticed that people are talking about PC version not being able to run both full AA and HDR at the same time!

Is this true?
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It is not the PC version so much as the majority of video cards out there won't be able to do both. Most Nvidia cards have SM3.0 so can display true HDR, but because of the cards architecture can't display AA at the same time. Most ATI cards(except the very latest released ones) have SM2.0 thus can't really display HDR other than bloom effects and can have AA on. So as of right now I think there are only a few ATI models that can have both features running at the same time.

This is just from the articles I read though however.. so the information may not be completely accurate.

To me though is that if you can run in high enough resolution, AA becomes unnecessary anyway. You might see jaggies in still screen shots, but are completely unnoticable when you are in motion.
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well i have over 100 gigabytes free so im fine there but how do i check to see if i have the 2 Ghz Intel Pentium 4 or equivelent prcessor w.e the hell that is and stuf like that

another ex: the 512 mB system RAM w/e the f*&$ that is


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QUOTE(1234king @ Mar 15 2006, 12:58 AM)
well i have over 100 gigabytes free so im fine there but how do i check to see if i have the 2 Ghz Intel Pentium 4 or equivelent prcessor w.e the hell that is and stuf like that

another ex: the 512 mB system RAM w/e the f*&$ that is
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Clcik 'Start' and then click 'Run', in the box that opens up type 'dxdiag' it will tell you a lot about your system.


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[quote=Marxist ßastard,Mar 14 2006, 06:27 AM]
Yeah man go to www.ibuypower.com [/quote]

Don't. It's a rip-off.

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I have compared my price to build a comp. (usually around 100 or so) to their prices for just about any computer and there is usually less than a 50-100 US difference. $150 is not much to pay for someone else to put together your system if they give you a warrenty and if you have no idea how to go about building one. Also, the article is just plain perposterous when it claims that changing your case (the difference in cases is a max of $90) and not having neon lights (which is an option YOU have to had, it is not auto-added on anything under 1500 I am almost sure of but in any case it is a $15 option).

Check your facts.

<please excuse my lack of correct grammar and spelling>

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The task is easily accomplished by a twelve-year-old. According to child labor laws, time spent by a twelve-year-old is worthless --and as IBUYPOWER's custemer reviews indicate, sometimes, they don't even take the time to build the system:

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When the computer arrived (Fedex 3 day air) the box had a dent in it. When I opened the box and tried to power on the computer, I only got error messages. I immediately called tech support (during business hours) and spoke to tech support's answering service. I was told I would be called back by their first avail tech. After 2 hours of waiting I decided to open the computers case and take a peek inside. I was surprised to find that the hard drive was laying in the bottom of the case not connect to anything. My floppy drive was still in the bay, but also not connected. By the damage on the interior of the case, it was apparent the hard drive had been bouncing around for some while.


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Got the PC, hooked it up and hit the power button. No power. Went behind the PC to flip the powersupply switch to make sure it was right. Still no power. 

I took the PC to the table and looked through the glass side. "Oh, look, the ATX plug is not plugged in." I opened up the PC and plugged it in. Still... no.. power.. I repeated this in frustration a number of times....

So now, I am 2 seconds from calling back and getting my refund, when I notice that the control panel plugins for the motherboard [aren't] even plugged in.


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They would be better off giving you spelling lessons! You seem to be completely ignorant of the fact that the components themselves come with their own warranties -- on components where it's appropriate, lifetime warranties -- that the computer rebranders void. Observe what happens whan you try to follow up on what little warranty IBUYPOWER offers:

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Well, I got an RMA from ibuypower and I sent my computer in... It got to ibuyopower in february. It is April 26! And I still haven't gotten it back!


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When I looked at my records, there was no extended warranty on offer at the time of my purchase, nor any information that the buyer would be responsible for returning the computer if necessary. Between shipping and insurance, it cost me $60+ to return the laptop. I have the receipt showing delivery was accepted on Jan 26, 2005. 

After not hearing anything for a couple of weeks I called and was told the screen needed to be replaced and the laptop would be returned to me within the week. 

After not hearing anything for a couple weeks, I called and was told the laptop had to be sent to the manufacturer for a new screen and would be sent out to me within the week. 

After not hearing anything for several weeks, I called and am now told that the motherboard needs to be replaced, they don't know why it's taking so long, but my model had been discontinued.


Who would you rather trust with your warranty? Innovative, professional companies like AMD, or no-name scum like IBUYPOWER?

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you have no idea how to go about building one


Tried looking at the manual? Gutenburg must be spinning in his grave. Looking at their customer reviews once more, too, it doesn't appear that IBUYPOWER knows how to assemble systems, either:

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[When it arrived ] I noticed that a power cable had slid into the processor fan, and was preventing it from turning, If I didn't know about computers I would have powered it on, and caused severe damage to my motherboard and processor.


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They shipped me the wrong processor, the case was a little scratched and was missing a side screw, and the front USB and audio jacks did not work. I contacted them and they said the front ports were incompatible with the motherboard.


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Also, the article is just plain perposterous


"Preposterous?" Objection (and the misspelling thereof) duly noted, but I can't see any specific complaints raised. It looks like you're relying on some, er "alternative" means to assure that your points don't get assaulted.


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