I am fully aware of the fact that products have their own warranty. I am also aware it doesnt take much to build a computer, and yes I actually have been doing it since I've been 12. I have had two friends and two customers order computers through IBUYPOWER and only one had has ever had a problem. The problem was a failing power supply fan and was promptly replaced free of charge. You obiously have had no personal experience with the company and are you just going off of a few peoples bad experiences. With my experience they are easier to work with, offer better prices (aside from Dells occasional ridiculous rebates), and are more reliable than Dell, HP, and the like. This is just my personal experince with them and other companies from the past five years.

For the sake of the help thread lets not turn this into a flame war.

This post has been edited by ShotFromBehind: Mar 16 2006, 02:41 PM

...Then why did you make the point that IBUYPOWER is superior because they issue warranties?



...Then why did you make the point that the majority of people don't know how to build one, and $US150 is "not much to pay for someone else to put together your system?"



With that in mind, do you still maintain that $US150 or more is a fair price to pay for someone to install a heatsink?



115 people on Reseller Ratings, and countless others on assorted forums are not just "a few people." IBUYPOWER has the absolute lowest ramking the Better Business Bureau has to offer before they start advising consumers to not conduct any business with them. It did not take a few people to make it that way.

Besides, the anecdotal evidence I've presented is only secondary to my point. Assembling your own computer is cheaper, by far. You have presented only statements supporting that point.



You're just going off a few peoples' good experiences.



Do they offer better prices and higher reliability than forgoing the rebranding process and just assembling one on your own? Of course not. You haven't even questioned this. You're just picking at peripheral statements.

My advice to go with IBUYPOWER was in responce to some one who said they did not want to build their own system. It is the obious and only logical solution if you know how to build your own computer, I agree 100% with you there. But this person didn't want to build their own so that was the advice I gave, and considering my personal experince, a good one.


(oh yeah and the warranty thing was because they offer one complete warranty and that is the only one you have to worry about instend of 10 for all the different parts, just makes it easier for the person who doesn't know how to or doesn't want to mess with building their own system)

This post has been edited by ShotFromBehind: Mar 16 2006, 10:37 PM

damnit damnit damnit muther f-ing hell i only have 504 mB system Ram, can you upgrade your comp or something pleeease i need help

I do not see that your comment was directed to anyone in particular -- just to "everyone who doesn't want to assemble their own computer," a massively illogical standpoint, the endorsement of which comes to the detriment of all involved.



And the obvious and logical solution for those that don't know? Learn.



Those ten warranties that are generally longer, and are through much more reputable and profesional businesses. You're also ignoring the advantage inherient in the ten-warranty system -- there isn't a big "void if broken" sticker on the power button. That is, when using the components' individual warranties (which, I remind you, the rebranders void), misuse of one component won't automatically compromise the warranty of the entire system.

I would suspect, also, that if the components under all ten warranties failed simultaneously, you've got bigger problems to worry about than postage spent on contacting multiple companies.

i have:
a 2.4 GHz Pentium 4
a GeForce 6200
and 512 mb of RAM



if i dropped in another gig, would OB run without any problems?

hey guys, right now i have:

AMD athlon 2.4g
1g ram
ati 9500 pro (128mb 8xagp)

i wanna upgrade my card cause that seems to be the biggest bang for my buck. And i'd like to stay with ATI. But i dont know what new vid card to get. the x800, or x1600pro or yadda yadda. I can spend like 300$, what do you guys think?

hey terence, the best bang for your buck right now would be the Nvidia 7900GT.
They can run at 7800GTX speeds. The best part about them is that you can get one for 299.99 on newegg. I am partial to EVGA's 7900GT as it is clocked a little higher and still is priced at 299.99. Hope this helps.

D.

well..... seeing as everybody seems to tell me either get a x1900xt... which i cant afford, or an nvidia, guess ill sacrafice my ati loalty and get one. on a side note, is evga owned by nvidia? or does nvidia just sell the chipset and other companies make the card? just wondering cause on their site it doesnt show any video cards, and im not too familiar with them. also, does 7900 come as AGP cause i cant afford to go pcie, just need a decent card to prolong this system before i start to build another.

thanks

This post has been edited by TerenceDMTKenna: Mar 17 2006, 06:16 AM

I was just hoping someone here would reply to what my comp specs are and give a suggestion on how OB will run. BTW could someone repost this on official OB forums, it would be very much appreciated and beneficial.

CPU: Int. Pent. 4 2.6GHz (where can i check the MHz or more specifically a more descriptive thing than dxdiag shows since im not sure if I have a 800MHz), I was thinking of upgrading to a AMD Anthlon? But those cost way to much if possible could someone fish out something better than what I got but not above this price, 260$.

Video Card: ATI Radeon x700, getting a x850 XT PE 256mb AGP so give both replies to my current card and my future card since I wont buy a darn thing untill I know how OB runs on my current comp, dont wanna go buy stuff when I could've found out I didnt need to. Another thing is im stuck with AGP so you can count out any GREAT card... stupid AGP slots.. are they replaceable besides getting a whole new computer? I would rather buy a PCI-E slot.

RAM: 1gb, thinking of another .5 but apparently not required.

PSU: I dont know my PSU, which has been bothering me, how do I check on this? I dont wanna buy a new cpu and find out my PSU is too lame.

My budget is low im not some rich dood especially since the cost of living has gone up *sigh*, so im looking at possibly 600$-1000$ of spending money for any upgrades that coud be necessary and appreciated. Suggestions..opinion..advice, throw em all at me .

This post has been edited by Savako: Mar 17 2006, 09:34 AM

Bingo. It allows them to push down costs by having eVGA and what have you manufacture cheaper cards with low-quality components, but have their own stable reference boards, and the high-end models from BFG &al. featured in benchmarks.



No. Your best bet in this case would probably be a 7800GS, followed by a 6800 Ultra, 6800 GT, and vanilla 6800. I don't know what ATi's AGP offerings are.



Well, do you have some 74 TTL chips and a steady hand?



You'll need to upgrade the mainboard, too, since Intel uses a proprietary connection between the processor and mainboard to lock people in. $US260 is plenty for both, though.



Check the label. If your machine is a Dell, you will have to upgrade the PSU, since Dell PSUs are wired to cause damage to themselves and the mainboard if the mainboard in your system is not of Dell make.

Yes, this is true. No, it probably isn't legal. Would you like the number for your congressman?

No I dont have a dell and like I said I have a x700, so possibly my psu is above 350w but I wouldnt know. My manufactor? compusa custom built my comp some years ago and says "cisnet" on the front. Besides is there any way to check my PSU besides going on a name brand hunch? Also what about a 7800GS compared to a x850 XT PE? or w/e the 850 PE is? Whats the difference besides the SM3. Also whats the cost of getting my motherboard fixed for a new CPU? IS upgrading my x700 even necessary? Also why be saracstic when I can pay someone to put all these upgrades specificaly a a PCI-E slot in for free due to some warranty and insurance I have on my computer. I just asked if it was possible .

My Comp Specs:

ATI radeon x700 Series 256mb

Intel Pent. 4 2.6GHz 800MHz

1gb of ram with 512mb stick on the outside of the motherboard.

... dont you think those are moderate attributes for running OB i'd say med/med to med/high on the settings or do you think i'd need 3.0GHz or a x800 series card? I doubt it but what do you guys think?

This post has been edited by Savako: Mar 17 2006, 01:35 PM

Check. The label.

You could have said the label on the PSU since I have no idea where the PSU is, but supposedly its that big thing on top in my motherboard with the nice shiny metal casing around it... possible the thing with the on and off button attached to it.. right?

GUYS, can I just say, on the official site, one of the developers said if your computer can run Bloodmoon, it can run this. Do you really NEED to have this whole 'upgrade!!!!' thing?

I would just like to say.. it helps the whole wait for OB, it definently gets my mind off things, im not going to buy anything before I get OB, only when I know how bad OB is on my system will I actually upgrade anything. Its just the thought that really counts.. and takes up most of my time while OB is on standby.

This post has been edited by Savako: Mar 17 2006, 02:23 PM

word up!


guess ill get myself one of these: eVGA Geforce 7800GS 256MB AGP 8X, but can someone tell me wether or not this card has sm3? cause at first everyone was tellin me ati had that not nvidia, but somewhere on nvidias website i saw them claim to have it...? didnt one of the developers claim OB w/o SM3 wouldnt look quite as intended?

This post has been edited by TerenceDMTKenna: Mar 17 2006, 05:14 PM

i have:
a 2.4 GHz Pentium 4
a GeForce 6200
and 512 mb of RAM



if i dropped in another gig, would OB run without any problems?

yes its actually the nvidia cards that have had sm3.0 for quite awhile... Only the very most recent ati cards have switched to sm3.0.

Lets say I went out and got this ,

AMD Anthlon 64 X2 4200+ with 2.2GHz (what would that be compared to a Intel Pent 4 2.6GHz HT? I seen its alot bette rbut is it good for OB?)

550w Antec SLI PSU, what do you think?

ATI Radeon X1900 XTX 512mb, what do you think?

2gb of DDR SDRAM, what do you think?

250GB of Hard Drive, what do you think?

My OS isa XP PRO, So what do you think ?

This post has been edited by Savako: Mar 18 2006, 03:36 AM