You guys talking is like watching a three year old tie his shoe. Now listen to me, the one in here with true understanding on good and evil.

DnD is not realistically, people are complex, everybody has their faults and hypocracy that allows them to commit acts that you wouldn't consider in sinc with society. Good exist only on a social level, in that as long as people have some sort of social grip in their heads they will strive to be good people, as exemplified by that society. I live in a different perspective of good and evil, in my perspective, as exemplified by my ranger attitude and by my following of Solonor Theandria, I believe anything in favor of nature, ouroboros, humanity, balance, etcetera is good, and anything against it is evil. Everyone else has their own opinion.

For instance, take Channler, he probably feel that it's a very complicated issue but that God is absolutely good and to forsake God though not evil is definitely not good, he also feels very patriotic for his country and that anything against his country is an act of evil. Terrorists who he has probably decided are evil people have a completely different idea, but that's all compassion you know. The true question of good and evil comes between the quarrel of Beowulf and Gilgamesh.

In Beowulf, a monster skills and eats people, so Beowulf kills him and his mother, without mercy or understanding, believing them evil, and him good, so he can do no wrong, and they can do no right.

In Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh kills the monster of this forest, but the monster did not want to die, and showed a plea of mercy, which was ignored. Gilgamesh, in believing there he can do no wrong and the monster no right, forsook his own humanity in slaying him. He saw a person after he slew that monster and it haunted him. That's where the difference is.

Beowulf is arguable a sociopath, he could not see the humanity behind the monster. Sociopaths are the only people in this society that you could claim to be evil. It's not that they feel nothing, it's that they have no society invested in their brain, and therefore no society has managed to infiltrate any moral structure. They feel nothing for taking advantage of people or murdering people. Even then it's not their choice to feel nothing. They can't change their minds and learn to like to like people.

Now then, because every human applies to some society, even terrorists, and no matter how ideological in it where they close their minds and ignore the human in their enemy, every human obviously believes they are good. Though in a universal perspective good and evil do not exist, in my perspective any human who believes he is good, just plainly good with no problems to think of is a truly evil person, a sociopath, or an ideologue that drove themselves insane. Everyone must accept their inner beasts as part of themselves and be aware of it, and attempt to learn of all people and study under all people if they ever want to get close to committing good, but my kind of good.

In that way I think the only palce Channler and I disagree is that I believe good must be committed on the world first, not on a single country, and I believe the universe is neutral, he probably believes the universe takes the side of good. Oh yeah, and that whole evolution thing.

Chaotic Neutral Elf Bard Mage
Follower Of Erevan Ilesere

I Am A: Lawful Evil Elf Mage Cleric
[br][br]Alignment:[br]Lawful Evil characters believe that a nice, orderly system of life is perfect for them to abuse for their own advancement. They will work within 'the system' to get the best that they can for themselves.
[br][br]Race:[br]Elves are the eldest of all races, although they are generally a bit smaller than humans. They are generally well-cultured, artistic, easy-going, and because of their long lives, unconcerned with day-to-day activities that other races frequently concern themselves with. Elves are, effectively, immortal, although they can be killed. After a thousand years or so, they simply pass on to the next plane of existance.
[br][br]Primary Class:[br]Mages harness the magical energies for their own use. Spells, spell books, and long hours in the library are their loves. While often not physically strong, their mental talents can make up for this.
[br][br]Secondary Class:[br]Clerics are the voices of their God/desses on Earth. They perform the work of their deity, but this doesn't mean that they preach to a congregation all their lives. If their deity needs something done, they will do it, and can call upon that deity's power to accomplish their goals.
[br][br]Deity:[br]Velsharoon is the Neutral Evil god of necromancy, liches, and undeath. He is also known as the Vaunted, the Archmage of Necromancy, and the Lord of the Forgotten Crypt. His followers practice the necromantic arts, and raise the dead to do their bidding. His symbol is a crowned skull.

Chaotic Good Elven Ranger Mage.


Chaotic Good - Chaotic Good characters are independent types with a strong belief in the value of goodness. They have little use for governments and other forces of order, and will generally do their own things, without heed to such groups.

Elves - Elves are the eldest of all races, although they are generally a bit smaller than humans. They are generally well-cultured, artistic, easy-going, and because of their long lives, unconcerned with day-to-day activities that other races frequently concern themselves with. Elves are, effectively, immortal, although they can be killed. After a thousand years or so, they simply pass on to the next plane of existance.

Rangers - Rangers are the defenders of nature and the elements. They are in tune with the Earth, and work to keep it safe and healthy.

Mages - Mages harness the magical energies for their own use. Spells, spell books, and long hours in the library are their loves. While often not physically strong, their mental talents can make up for this.

Solonor Thelandria - Solonor Thelandria is the Chaotic Good elven god of archery and the hunt. He is also known as the Keen Eye, the Great Archer, and the Forest Hunter. His followers respect nature, and only hunt when needed, but are quick to defend the forest from intruders. Their favorite weapon is the bow, and they tend to be extremely talented with it. Solonor Thelandria's symbol is an arrow with green fletchings.

This post has been edited by Ereneth: Apr 13 2006, 01:52 PM

Chaotic Evil Human Mage Cleric
Follower Of Velsharoon

Alignment:
Chaotic Evil characters are the most 'evil' people out there. They are willing to do anything to get ahead, and will kill anyone who stands in their way. A chaotic evil person sees no value in order and governments, and believes to the utmost in the tenant that 'Might Makes Right'.

Race:
Humans are the 'average' race. They have the shortest life spans, and because of this, they tend to avoid the racial prejudices that other races are known for. They are also very curious and tend to live 'for the moment'.

Primary Class:
Mages harness the magical energies for their own use. Spells, spell books, and long hours in the library are their loves. While often not physically strong, their mental talents can make up for this.

Secondary Class:
Clerics are the voices of their God/desses on Earth. They perform the work of their deity, but this doesn't mean that they preach to a congregation all their lives. If their deity needs something done, they will do it, and can call upon that deity's power to accomplish their goals.

Deity:
Velsharoon is the Neutral Evil god of necromancy, liches, and undeath. He is also known as the Vaunted, the Archmage of Necromancy, and the Lord of the Forgotten Crypt. His followers practice the necromantic arts, and raise the dead to do their bidding. His symbol is a crowned skull.

EDIT:It almost sounds like my favorite Baldur's Gate char

This post has been edited by HyPN0: Apr 13 2006, 02:03 PM

Ace!

Lawful Good Human Fighter Paladin
Follower Of Tyr

Alignment:
Lawful Good characters are the epitome of all that is just and good. They believe in order and governments that work for the benefit of all, and generally do not mind doing direct work to further their beliefs.

Race:
Humans are the 'average' race. They have the shortest life spans, and because of this, they tend to avoid the racial prejudices that other races are known for. They are also very curious and tend to live 'for the moment'.

Primary Class:
Fighters are the warriors. They use weapons to accomplish their goals. This isn't to say that they aren't intelligent, but that they do, in fact, believe that violence is frequently the answer.

Secondary Class:
Paladins are the Holy Warriors. They have been chosen by a God/dess to be their representative on Earth, and must follow the code of that deity, or risk severe penalties. They tend towards being righteous, but not generally to excess.

Deity:
Tyr is the Lawful Good god of justice. He is also known as Tyr Grimjaws, Wounded Tyr, the Maimed God, and Blind Tyr. He appears as a warrior, missing his hand. Followers of Tyr are concerned first and foremost with justice - discovering the truth and punishing the guilty for their crimes. They wear blue and purple robes with a white sash, a white gauntlet on the left hand, and a black gauntlet on the right, to symbolize Tyr's lost hand. Their preferred weapon is the warhammer. Tyr's symbol is a set of scales resting on a warhammer.


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<b>I Am A:</b> Lawful Good Human Fighter Paladin
<br><br><u>Alignment:</u><br><b>Lawful Good</b> characters are the epitome of all that is just and good. They believe in order and governments that work for the benefit of all, and generally do not mind doing direct work to further their beliefs.
<br><br><u>Race:</u><br><b>Humans</b> are the 'average' race. They have the shortest life spans, and because of this, they tend to avoid the racial prejudices that other races are known for. They are also very curious and tend to live 'for the moment'.
<br><br><u>Primary Class:</u><br><b>Fighters</b> are the warriors. They use weapons to accomplish their goals. This isn't to say that they aren't intelligent, but that they do, in fact, believe that violence is frequently the answer.
<br><br><u>Secondary Class:</u><br><b>Paladins</b> are the Holy Warriors. They have been chosen by a God/dess to be their representative on Earth, and must follow the code of that deity, or risk severe penalties. They tend towards being righteous, but not generally to excess.
<br><br><u>Deity:</u><br><b>Tyr</b> is the Lawful Good god of justice. He is also known as Tyr Grimjaws, Wounded Tyr, the Maimed God, and Blind Tyr. He appears as a warrior, missing his hand. Followers of Tyr are concerned first and foremost with justice - discovering the truth and punishing the guilty for their crimes. They wear blue and purple robes with a white sash, a white gauntlet on the left hand, and a black gauntlet on the right, to symbolize Tyr's lost hand. Their preferred weapon is the warhammer. Tyr's symbol is a set of scales resting on a warhammer.
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Neutral Good ---- XXXXXXX (7)
Chaotic Good ---- XXXXXX (6)
Lawful Neutral -- XX (2)
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Chaotic Neutral - (-3)
Lawful Evil ----- XX (2)
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Halfling - X (1)
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Gnome ---- X (1)

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Paladin - XXX (3)
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Lawful Neutral Half-Orc Ranger Paladin
Follower Of Silvanus

Alignment:
Lawful Neutral characters believe in the triumph of law and order above all else. It does not matter whether the leader is for good or evil; the leader will be followed, because the order they provide is the most important thing.

Race:
Half-Orcs are a cross between a human and an orc. Generally, this kind of mating does not occur willingly, so half-orcs are almost never raised by a full set of parents. They tend to be less intelligent and attractive than humans, but are generally stronger and hardier. Violence is a part of their nature, and few half-orcs manage to overcome this to follow other professions. They are generally treated with disdain by other races, if not outright hostility.

Primary Class:
Rangers are the defenders of nature and the elements. They are in tune with the Earth, and work to keep it safe and healthy.

Secondary Class:
Paladins are the Holy Warriors. They have been chosen by a God/dess to be their representative on Earth, and must follow the code of that deity, or risk severe penalties. They tend towards being righteous, but not generally to excess.

Deity:
Silvanus is the True Neutral god of nature. He is also known as the Patron of Druids. His followers believe in the perfect balance of nature, and believe that nature's bounty is preferable to any other 'civilizing' method. They wear leather or metallic scale mail, constructed of leaf-shaped scales. Silvanus's symbol is an oak leaf.




...Rainer thought he was a Khajiit and Followed Azurah...

Hehe.. Never tried a D&D game, but this was quite cool.

You Are A:


Neutral Good Elf Ranger Bard
Follower Of Mielikki

Alignment:
Neutral Good characters believe in the power of good above all else. They will work to make the world a better place, and will do whatever is necessary to bring that about, whether it goes for or against whatever is considered 'normal'.

Race:
Elves are the eldest of all races, although they are generally a bit smaller than humans. They are generally well-cultured, artistic, easy-going, and because of their long lives, unconcerned with day-to-day activities that other races frequently concern themselves with. Elves are, effectively, immortal, although they can be killed. After a thousand years or so, they simply pass on to the next plane of existance.

Primary Class:
Rangers are the defenders of nature and the elements. They are in tune with the Earth, and work to keep it safe and healthy.

Secondary Class:
Bards are the entertainers. They sing, dance, and play instruments to make other people happy, and, frequently, make money. They also tend to dabble in magic a bit.

Deity:
Mielikki is the Neutral Good goddess of the forest and autumn. She is also known as the Lady of the Forest, and is the Patron of Rangers. Her followers are devoted to nature, and believe in the positive and outreaching elements of it. They use light armor, and a variety of weapons suitable for hunting, which they are quite skilled at. Mielikki's symbol is a unicorn head.


Good to know...

Lawful Good Elf Paladin Ranger
Follower Of Tyr

Alignment:
Lawful Good characters are the epitome of all that is just and good. They believe in order and governments that work for the benefit of all, and generally do not mind doing direct work to further their beliefs.

Race:
Elves are the eldest of all races, although they are generally a bit smaller than humans. They are generally well-cultured, artistic, easy-going, and because of their long lives, unconcerned with day-to-day activities that other races frequently concern themselves with. Elves are, effectively, immortal, although they can be killed. After a thousand years or so, they simply pass on to the next plane of existance.

Primary Class:
Paladins are the Holy Warriors. They have been chosen by a God/dess to be their representative on Earth, and must follow the code of that deity, or risk severe penalties. They tend towards being righteous, but not generally to excess.

Secondary Class:
Rangers are the defenders of nature and the elements. They are in tune with the Earth, and work to keep it safe and healthy.

Deity:
Tyr is the Lawful Good god of justice. He is also known as Tyr Grimjaws, Wounded Tyr, the Maimed God, and Blind Tyr. He appears as a warrior, missing his hand. Followers of Tyr are concerned first and foremost with justice - discovering the truth and punishing the guilty for their crimes. They wear blue and purple robes with a white sash, a white gauntlet on the left hand, and a black gauntlet on the right, to symbolize Tyr's lost hand. Their preferred weapon is the warhammer. Tyr's symbol is a set of scales resting on a warhammer.

Chaotic Neutral Elf Ranger, I've done a few of these before. And I always get chaotic neutral elf ranger. So, guess it's quite accurate then :shrugs:

Chaotic Neutral Human Mage

I think that fits my personality perfectly and it sounds pretty kick A**

w00t?
Looks like i'm the only Chaotic Evil here!
Mmmmm pure evil......

Not to burst your bubble but the second time I took the test I was a
Chaotic Evil Human Mage hahahahaha!!!!

Only the first time counts!
J\K

You are a freaking bully man!!!
I want a piece of the action too!!!

OK,but ONLY if i'm in charge!!!
J\K

50/50
Come on...thats fair...hahahahahahah!!!
sorry for that outburst... mua hahahahaha!!!

No.Chaotic Evil doesn't know what's fair.
You can chose to be my petty servant or to die in pain....And i won't let you make this choice again!Don't make me enslave your soul pitiful one!

QUOTE(Clint Eastwood)

Do you feel lucky.......punk?

J\K

Seriusly we shoud stop this,it has been fun but we're spamming the thread i think

This post has been edited by HyPN0: May 4 2006, 11:43 PM

yeah youre right but one last thing before I go.
You would have been the one to die a slow, miserable death by my hands!
mua hahahahahah!
Then I would have cast you down to Oblivion for all eternity! hahaha!

Yeah its been fun but all good things must come to a end... so sad... so sad.

Kudos Hypno... Kudos

Sorry for spamming

( hahahahaha I'm not sorry at all... muahahahaha!!)

This is interesting:
In the test I came out as "Chaotic Good Elf Ranger Bard & Follower of Solonor Thelandria" My first character that I made in the D&D Online game was a Chaotic Good Elven Ranger...named Hyacinth Merriweather. But she kept dying before finishing the single fighter quests - so I rerolled her to be a cleric.

Here is my Dungeon & Dragons character:



Hyacinth Merriweather - Elven Cleric

This post has been edited by Ibis: May 5 2006, 09:53 AM