In my experience, its the ones who act all innocent that are the worst. And no, a person doesn't usually think of themselves as a psi vamp.

A psi vamp puts one in a position to emotionally, or otherwise assault them.

Ever had people you hung around that you felt drained around? Like the kind who loves to be depressed. You can offer advice for hours, and it doesn't get through. Repeate that for months on end, every single day, and soon enough, you'll come to realise that, yes, psi vamps exist.

And, if you think you need to "interview people" to find out things that aren't normally considered in the public domain, heh heh...

Its still trying to ignore things that are the truth.

We're talking about two competely different things, you're talking about LeVayist psychological vampires (one of many things in that book I agreed with).

They're not draining life-force, they're draining emotional energy, my mom is just like that, she always wants constant emotional support. it's a completely psychological thing, and if it were connected to life force they're not aware of it, and that I can agree with.

You agree with the people who drain others energies? Quite a confession there. And if thats the kind of thing you are, then we wouldn't be friends in real life.

Whether it is emotional energy alone is debatable. But whats not is the effect i've seen it have on others and myself, and for that reason, I can not support those who act like this. Whether they admit it or not.

So what about people who need constant support, are constantly depressed? Yeah i know such individuals too, but you can't blame them for it, most of the time. It's your choice wether or not you try to help them, but inventing a term like "psy vamp" for people with psychologycal difficulties, caused by immense stress many people have nowadays, for i don't know which reasons, is just cruel and unfair.
If they do it deliberately, that's something else, and i've also known such people, without knowing the modern term for them, and i agree that such could be dangerous or at least awkward, when you yourself have problems, are weakened by some distress or another. Actually i know of a hypochonder who was constantly moaning about his afflictions, and his wife had to go to a nuthouse, because she wasn't able to stand this.
So what is the matter with "psy vamps" and a sect/cult?

Obviously I can differentiate between people with depression. I mean, thats just one kind of symptom, but its not the be all and end all.

There is far more to consider when trying to size someone up. Its their way of approaching people in all matters of things.

I gave an example that I thought many people would be familar with. But its far more complex than someone seeking advice, because thats not necessarily definitive. Its not definitive at all.

Indeed, and thats where it takes time, and a lot of cop on to understand people. In realistic terms, the psyvamps are people who fight with psychological warfare. Thats what it is.

Some might think i'm overestimating it, and chances are they either
A) Never experienced it (yet)
Have experienced it and can't recognise it.
C) Never will (Though I think the likelihood of that being unlikely unless you live like a hermit, which I don't think is feasible either)

Well, its a form of manipulation, so if you are ok with manipulation of people, then you might say nothing.

Though if you were against it, you'd realise the lack of need to ask such a question

Ahh i get it already, a psy vamp is someone who fights with depression, moodiness etc, who wants to get you psychologicaly, instead of phisically down? - okay, nop that's bad, you're right.

I think we're getting off subject now, so I'll change topic. Has anyone had any experience with the Scientologists? I've been audited by one of their e-mitters. It was a pretty odd little experience. Then they tried to sell me three books.

not scientology, as they aren't that big here in austria.. but with the witnesses of jehova - trying to convert me and all... the strange thing is that they actually believe the nonsense they tell you Oo

Oh yeah, there are a lot of beliefs I consider strange. A lot of my family are Mormon, and if you read the book of mormon, there are some interesting things in there. The Aztec god Quixelquatil, for example, is apparently Jesus.

Wheren't Succubi and Incubi Psy Vamps? Albiet through a suggestive method...

What are they? Scientists?

They're followers of L.Ron Hubbard - they get a lot of publicity, mainly because of their high profile members: Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Kirsty Alley, Issac Hayes. Basically it's about 'tools' to help you improve your life. You give them money (that's an integral part) and eventually you'll be just like Tom Cruise (if he is a thetan): able to heal tuberculosis and such by touching people.

Huh... I didn't realize 85% of sweden is athiest... Wow.. Thats weird.. about (roughly) 15% of the USA is.

Seems odd that the bastions of faith are turning away from it, I guess their bored.

Scientology is just plain stupid, I don't say that about to many religions, but that one earns my "Channler Declares That This is Stupid Mark"

Ah, see, I think they're all cults, so it's hard for me to see Scientology as any worse than Christianity as much as it's just clearly outlined in the religion, "THIS IS A SCAM!"

No matter how much money you make, by the end of your life it always adds up to 110% of your avarage annual income.

I hear Christians claim Jehova's Witnesses and Mormons are weird and occultic and evil, but if you think about it, they're just about the same as Catholicism, Baptism, and all the little variations. Believe what we believe, or you will suffer for eternity. And, I think the only reason why Catholic beliefs don't strike us as crazy is because they've been around longer, we're used to them.

The reason that Christians say that Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses are weird (have yet to hear evil) is because their findamental beliefs differ greatly. That's like saying that Islam and Christianity are all the same.

Now the small divisions, such as Methodist, Baptist, etc. they just have different views on the small issues, such as the role of the holy spirit and stuff.

But it still breaks down to believe what we believe, or suffer for eternity, any religion that shares that rule is basically a cult in the truest sense.

Well, Jehova's were trying to convert me, and were trying to give me the book of mormon.

So either these Jehova's don't know what they're supposed to worship, or the book of mormon is an integral part to their faith.

Islam and Christianity are pretty much all the same.
10 rules here, 5 rules there
loving your next here, and there
care for others here, and there
believe in one god and none else here, and there
they even believe in the same (his)tory, just interpreted a little different.
The beliefs are the same, and as far as i got, torah, bible and koran tell pretty much the same thing.

*missle falls on Thanados from the sky, thankfully for everyone else it's a dud* The rules of the religon's may be the same but what they believe in isn't. The Islam believe that Jesus was a profet (sp...) while the Christians (obviously in the name) believe Jesus was the Son of God...= Christ.

Yeah, and that's exactly where i begin to think the whole set up, since day one of mankind, is stupid to the t.
We can, basicly say that all religion started with zarathustra the elder, good/bad duality, god for the good and for the bad, a moral-rules-set up , no difference whatsoever to our modern religions. All the religions and sects i know so far, may they be christian, islamic, hindu or far east philosophical: There are no important differences. Everyone hopes for a better situation after death, everyone wants to "govern" all men, so they don't kill themselves constantly, all of them want piece on earth.
So far the theory, what they did out of it was, pretty much the same either. (Now let's take islam and christianity)
From all the good ideas imerged a practice on how to gain power. The inquisition, as a money-making and fear provoking institution, goes along with todays holy-wars and islamic fundamentalism, money making for the powerful, gaining access to paradise (a paradise made by allah, the merciful(?!) ) for the poorer.

And all this quarrel about was jesus son of god or a prophet, had mohammed a beard or not: what the hell? What's so god-damn important about it, that would be worth to kill each other for it?

All the religions since 5000bc had about the same concept, an ideal, always been misused.

This post has been edited by ThanadoS: May 26 2006, 11:19 AM