Jesus, aren't we all just conspiracy theorists?

I'm a consiracy theorist, hes a consiracy theorist, shes a consiracy theorist, were all consiracy theorists!!

Blatantly ripped from.. err.. that Kenan and Kel show on Nickolodian?omgwtfspeeling?!

Sadly, the man Known as Grheid Is the reason that all that is almost impossible now.

This post has been edited by Khajiit Overlord Rainer: May 26 2006, 05:16 PM

Calm down.
This is a politics thread, it's expected that people have very oposite opinions.

If you're geting mad, can't handle this or anything, I recommend you don't post. As you said, keep your sanity. This is just a friendly advice, don't take is an as an insult or anything.

I was singing a song thank you very much.. I am more calm then any person could ever be. I still think you all are conspiracy theorists though.

Oh, OK. You sure have some weird songs

That doens't mean we're not right

This post has been edited by HyPN0: May 26 2006, 05:48 PM

Doesn't mean your not wrong either

I doubt it, but everything is posible. Somehow, I don't think everything is black and white. There is only intrest, which is gray Why does USA go to wars? Not because they want to make something good or something bad, it's because USA will benefit from it. USA army is kinda mercenary IMO: They are not here to defend their own country, they are here to attack. That's why I made a good comparisson with old Rome. If you didn't go to wars, nobody would make fun out of you, and nobody would hate you.

Oh come on.. I bet you if countries started loosing their "grey" life would get much harder and/or expensive. The United States military defends the constition of the USA. They are their to defend our country AND our interests.

Nuff said. You all have lifted a veil from my eyes. Why should I care about anyone else? Thanks for pointing that out guys, makes alot of sense. Just know this, many people here think that we are doing the right requardless of what the president says. Mr. Monkey doesn't control us all.

Sorry about my laughing smiley above, it was not to state pro or con anyone, I just thought the last few threads were funny in a simple comically sense. I have no real knowledge or interest in international politics, so I'll not write anything about that...

For me politics is quite simple, I'm afraid: Do what is best for everyone, not just for one group of people living within certain borders drawn up by some power-hungry politician.

This is how I remember the word 'politics' from school as well - the balance between fairly sharing and spending the benefits/drawbacks of a society (society being Earth). Seems most modern politicians don't even know the meaning of this concept, but only think about themselves... I wish that only people who were not personally ambitious were allowed to participate in elections.

I didn't said ''gray'' is bad. Everybody should watch their own intrest. That's the only thing logical... for now. Maybe a few more centuries are needed to make this society perfect. And I'm not even sure in that What I wanted to say is that i disagree with the way USA fulfils their intrests. Violently.

That is not true. I have my own country as evidence. We didn't pose any threat to you, and yet you still attacked us. You didn't defend anyone there.

Wait a second.. Blame the UN Peace Keeping missions not us. Because we are the largest and therefor most prominent in the UN people tend to throw those problems on us.

Look I'm for countries fighting each other and grounding themselves into dust, at least now I am. Hell I've been preaching for involvement in Africa by really quelling the aids problem and "helping" them. But everytime we help someone its said were persuing our own interests not the worlds. Correct. If I'm gonna put money into something I'd like a return.

Well, the reason you bombed us, is because we refused to provide you a base. But that's not important, what's important is that I was bombed by F117-A, with Amercian pilots. Amercian pilots killing my people and calling it coleteral. So nobody threw anything on you.

Well you do, hopefully. Each time your government spend your taxes on some conflict it should be to make the world - not only the US - a better place to live. Maybe not in your lifetime, but maybe a few hundred years in to the future - to make the world safe for your great-great-great (etc.) grand children. But the decision to do this should be supported by the real leading power - the UN. Even if the US is the greatest power in the UN, and even if the US founded the UN (btw the US have not paid the UN fee for decades, if I remember correctly), it should respect the decisions made by them, since they practically represent the entire 'civilized' world. The US would not be able to go to war on all the other UN countries combined.

I guess this is what people in Europe snap up and make them disrespect the US. The UN did not support a war on Iraq, but the US did it anyway.

Again, I have no real personal relation to this (although in a strange way I wish I did), but it's just the impression I get when watching the news and interviews with 'the man in the street' of Europe.

Personally I must admit that I have faith in the US. But then again Norway is known to be one of the most 'Americanized' countries in the world, so I'm probably biased. It was recently on the news here that Norway lent out a lot of hi-tech radars to the US for the Iraq invasion, something that has stirred up the population. It has also been known even since the war started that Norway sent many of their special sci-op forces, known to be the best in the world, and which made the Norwegain population devided between proud and ashamed.

I believe that a country as large as the US are run by decent people who knows what is best for the world. I don't mean the president, as I believe that a person who gets replaced every 4/8 years has no real knowledge of running such a big country. But the real people - the ones who work in the White House/Pentagon for decades - and who is really running the country - know that decisions made by the US will impact the entire world, and that if they decide something that will damage some parts of the world would also damage themselves in the long run. Kind of like the Roman Empire; if you let one madly ambitious man rule, the empire will vanish in a few years, and the world will enter the Dark Ages. It doesn't take much to transform a superpower to a waistland, history has shown us that much over and over.

Right now China is a country to watch. They have a huge population, and if they decide that they'll go to war on 'everyone else' there is not much anyone can do about it.

Like I've said before; the most important thing to do is to stand together and make our world a place to live even in the future. Sadly not many politicians realise this, only scientists.

Conspiracy: When more than one person plans something.

Theory: An idea based on evidence and or logic.

A pretty general title, don't you think? According to the literal definition of that term, every human being who ever lived was probably a conspiracy theorist, but that's not the general term, it's a term, in today's USA, for anyone who disagrees with what went on the record. What's wrong with raising questions about legitimacy? A million times over in history injustice has been corrected by people who questioned the legitimacy of what went on the record.

It's all about what you accept as true, see Channler, you seem to hold the base-truth that the government does not lie, that an administration will not lie. I accept absolutely nothing as base-truth, as far as my base-truth is concerned we could very well be living in the matrix. I accept as plausible truth, whatever isn't impossible.

An example, and it's my favorite example. It was nearly physically impossible for Lee Harvey Oswald to shoot Kennedy from his position with his weapon that went on the record. At least not alone. I repeat physically impossible. He had to land three shots in a .5 second window of opportunity. I would start from there, realizing there's something I'm not being told. People call critics of the Kennedy Assassination, as it went down on record, conspiracy theorists, when really they're just people that used their brains and realized you can't fire off three bullets from bolt-action rifle in a second and a half.

That's how I work with everything. It doesn't make me whatever negative word you want to use, it just makes me a reasonable human being.

Just wanted to shoot in this:

I just saw a story on Norwegian news where it was revealed that the US gave out 600,000 (six hundred thousand!) US citizenships each year! That is incredible, and about 12% of Norway's entire population (which is about 5 million).

The story ended with the reporter saying something like 'this is incredible considering the US have barely enough money to feed their already established citizens'.

I find this most admirable by the US, but are there any views on this from anyone possessing knowledge in this area?

I don't know if I qualify as someone with Knowledge In This Area .... but I do live in the US, in the very international zone of Orlando, Florida & I applaud this action too. As long as these are hard-working people who have intentions of working & paying taxes - this is an asset to the US & I don't know why that reporter was so worried that we have some people that we are having trouble feeding.

The reporter seems to think that they all will become welfare recipients & not work .. but will demand a living be supplied to them by the government. In my experience with the new citizens I've met, that is not at all the case. Our newly arrived citizens are among the most hard working among us - many of them small business owners, which is not an easy life. Also, many are with college degrees, which they must sometimes put on hold and do menial work until they master the language here - but they do it. At the veterans clinic - most of the doctors are from foreign countries & work for the V.A. cheaper than the American standard doctor pay for approximately 4 years, at which time they mostly enter the main civilian hospital force.

So, to my experience - that reporter was an alarmist & everything is right about giving prosperous, inspired people a new beginning in America.

I completely agree. It'd been done very well. They've got India pegged in by Pakistan, they control Nepal... they're in a good position to threaten oil fields, which means that they can easily control the west so they can accomplish their aim: Taiwan.

They want it. They want Taiwan baaaad. It's because of the culture museum. Anyway, to cut a long story short they've even sent Taiwan Pandas. That is a very important move. They'll cut a deal to prevent US interference and...there we go.

And you're right about nobody stopping them? Worlds largest employer is the Chinese army. Just make sure you don't fall foul to one of the classic blunders:

"Never get involved in a land war in Asia" - The Sicilian

My apologies, I saw the story again recently and I had completely misinterpreted that reporter the first time (enterered the room while he was talking). He said "...they barely have enough resources to feed their current immigrants..." or something equally translated. So he was in fact talking about non-working immigrants living on welfare, and not immigrant workers or other Americans.

Edit: This post was related to Ibis post above Foster's.

And Foster, you seem to know more about this than me, but I can confirm China's position in the oil industry is really establishing. The company I'm working for have helped China in many drilling and completion operations over the last few years, and they have a lot of potential for finding a lot of new oil fields, since they haven't really explored much earlier. If they find enough to be able to produce enough oil for their own personal use we should make sure and not pee them off...

This post has been edited by Olav: May 27 2006, 09:03 PM

Ahh China... you would be suprised how much money they have. People are poor, but the country itself has loads of it. That's bacause they don't aknowledge yuan how much it's really worth, and because people work for rediculusly small amount of money. A lot of rich American\European companies already switched their buisness from America\Europe to China.

They have the foundings, they have the extraordinary war equipment, and they have a lot of young men, capable of serving the army. Indeed, what could posably stop them? Forget about the NATO and USA: China has nuclear weapons and great armory, so they won't dare to start a ''peace mission''.

I dare not imagine what could happen