In a series of events this week in New Zealand, there is now boat tours to go see (3) giant melting ice bergs of the coast of NZ. It started ages ago with 100 being spotted far South of NZ, a bit unusual but Antartica is South of NZ so ice isn't anything to get excited about, then early this week 2 had moved West of NZ and had scared fishing boats out there, plane trips had started to see them because they were quite close, then they moved within easy helicopter distance so even more trips came, then they moved within visible distance so bored West coast marijauna growers flocked to the beachs, now they are within a casual boat trip up close, with the larger one breaking into 2. This all leading to some cool video on the news here over the last few days, here is todays story, its an internet link so its horrible quality and half of it is talking to bored marijauna growers.

I'm tempted to drive down and watch global warming for the hell of it but I'm lazy and its just ice. It would be cool if they hit land, it should be impossible for the iceberg not to melt when approaching the coast but it wasn't supposed to go this far up and this close either.

Yay Global Warming. I'm ready for a penguin to come on one of those icebergs just for me.

The earth warms and cools itself every 500 hundred years anyways

But I do want a penguin too...

ditto... we can just ditto, can't we?

Maybe...

Can we just maybe?

Yeah channler, I've seen records of the earth warming and cooling, and the warming periods are one third what this "warming period" is, and it's only getting hotter.

The big deal about global warming wasn't the fact that the earth is warming, everyone assumed that was just normal until they tracked what actaully happens every 500 years, every 1000 years and every 10'000 years and found that it definitely wasn't normal. Most of the world's glaciers have disappeared over the last 30 years even though they have been around 1000s of years but most things talking about global warming talk about ice records, its how this thing started, when the nobel prize winning scientists got together back a decade ago and told the world that it was going to drown/dehydrate/blow away, 10+ years later its got some media attention as petrol becomes inefficient anyway.

Besides simple fact is that carbon products have a greenhouse effect and we are putting carbon into the biosphere which has not be in the biosphere for millions of years, one leads to the other, nobody has explained how causing global warming will lead to not causing global warming yet.

I´m afraid it´s gonna be rather wet......when all that ice is liquefied...Ewwww

Yes, the Earth is warming, and people are the cause (There are some interesting graphs that hammer this point home). Alas. Since I live above 3000 feet elevation I won't be drowning (and it will be a while before we see any really extreme sea level rise anyway, unless we hit a threshold and Greenland quickly melts--which could cause any number of crazy things to occur) but I'll be saddened to see the effects of a warming climate on the local mountain ecosystems.

An aside: Earth's climate does change in cycles due to the asymetric orbit the planet takes around the sun (We call these Milankovich cycles). But, if I recall correctly, our relation to the sun should have the planet cooling. I think this may have been responsible for the brief cooling that occured from about 1950-1970. But, of course, the Earth is now warming. The amount of carbon dioxide we've thrown into the atmosphere has overwhelmed the other factors that contribute to climate.

So lemme guess... You hung out with the dinosaurs? Go eat a sock doomed.

Alls I can say is that if we evolved like you guys are trying to hammer into my head then that means we and what we create are part of nature. If so, why should we worry about this? After all, its only nature. Stopping it would be artificial O_o

We worry about it because a hotter climate would be detrimental to our quality of life--because we don't want coastal cities flooded, mass extinctions, massive drought, etc. Human civilization (as we think of civilization) has developed during a period (the last 10,000 years or so) of remarkably stable climate. Upsetting that stable climate (one of my professors likened it to poking a stick into a sleeping dragon) will very likely have some extremely undesirable consequences. We'd rather not find out what they are.

Bah.. Shoot it takes a bit of death for anything to work

It takes a bit of death for the numb-skulls to wake up and realize not only is the world getting hotter then usual but it's our fault. The worse part is before we get any results back the process will already become irreversible. And then all the people that were telling the world to do something NOW are still going to be stuck in the same oven as the morons with their heads in the sand.

This post has been edited by DoomedOne: Nov 25 2006, 11:55 PM

Well sense it seems that its a loose loose situation just hamster it all aye? Booze anyone?

Yes please! Anyway I´m going to the very land of Booze tomorrow! Russia..here I come! Murmansk....to the eternal night, I won´t see the sun nearly at all next week!

Be well all of you while I´m away huh!

I just realized that I fuxxored my grammar up in that previous post lol

Well, Rainer wonders if that killer Hurricane season that one year might have been a product of our messing the earth up...

but He lives in central Alberta, and he is not very much looking forward to the heating of the earth. It would make the already unbearable Stampede Parade even hotter...

Meh, call me an optimist but I this just a hiccup in global advancement. I still firmly believe that we as humans are nature, and that which we build is nature.

When a bird builds a nest don't we call it nature? compassion, for all we know they could be calling us nature in all their little chirps..

That which is natural is not necessarily desirable. Malaria, for instance, is totally natural...

But debating about whether humans are natural or not is maddening and rather unproductive. Natural or not, the fact is that we're causing the world's climate to warm. That warming is by general consensus considered undesirable. Considering that we caused it, I think that we ought to act to prevent this undesirable warming. An ethicist would, I think, say that the situation implies a moral obligation on our part to do so. If it were happening just because of changes in Earth's orbit relative the sun the whole deal would be out of our control, but that isn't the case.

Meh, I suppose.. But I do have a question then..

Do you support saving africa? I mean places like Darfur and those that don't produce enough food or infrastructure? If so you obviously support global warming cause the more we help (or the more the Africans help) industrialize the worse emissions and waste becomes...

The starving people in Africa? or the warmth of the world?