You could also work in today's problems like global warming and overpopulation....

Sounds very interesting...you could have them find a nuke...

Yeah, on overpopulation, I think that 21% of people don't even know about the problem. Then 58% don't care (they'd say it in a more colorful way). And 15% know about overpolulation and can't do anything political about it. Finally six persent are politicians who know about the problem but are too mixed up in their personal agendas/unwilling to make it a priority.

That's just my guestimate (sp.) and may or may not have any evidence supporting it.

I spent my time reading 'Return of the King' for the apromaxely (sp?) 11th time. Now I don't need to read it - I can recall everything that happened! (Oh no, forgot one word - must go back and re-read...)

Yeah. Summer isn't one of the most entertaining times of the year for me. The biggest thing I've done so far is go to some island that has lots and lots of sand-dunes. Man, was it pretty...

OMG... 11th time? xD i've read it only once..U should play oblivion or something, if u are bored..

Oh, and by the way guys, I'm not online very often anyway, but I'm leaving to spend my time in the beach, 4 a few days.. I don't think u will notics that:P anyway, see ya later

Oblivion is the kind of 'If you play it non-stop it'll get extremely boring three months later' game, so I play it not that much. Plus, the awesomness of Battle of Pelenor Fields is guaranteed to keep me entertained.

Have a good time on the beach! Don't let the mudcrabs eat you!

*Walks in, looking like a Redguard.*

Howdy folks, I'm back! So that was my vacation. Rather wet (rain) but I managed to exploit the few sunny days alright.

I read the whole LOTR series twice, including the Hobbit. (Go Bilbo!)

The battle of Pelenor Fields, was that the one between the Rohirrim and the Orcs in front of Minas Tirith? If so, it was dang cool. Except for the 'I'm not a man, I'm a woman' thing. I hate it when uber badass villains are stopped by something simple as the meaning of one single stupid word.

Great to have you back, Cloudy. As for LOTR, I've only seen Return of The King and haven't read any of the books. I like Peter Jackson mostly, because of King Kong.

Yeah, that's Pelenor Fields. Near Minas Tirith, it was dang cool, but the fact that Witch-King of Angmar was killed by a woman was pretty... well, I agree. After reading about the prophecy I expected something different, like an uberly cool battle between Witch-King and Gandalf. That would've topped the whole battle...

That would've also worked better, since Gandalf isn't even of man-ish (or whatever) nature.

Speaking of movies, I've only seen Fellowship of the Ring. It included Balrog, one of the awesomest creatures in my opinion!

The way I interpreted that part (I'm not a man) was that the prophecy itself was a myth and that the evil forces weren't quite as powerful as they would like to believe, not that he could be killed only by women.

I read The Hobbit (Bilbo will always be my favortie hobbit) and The Lord of the Rings back in the 1970's. Back when we had no idea that such an expansive and fanciful book could ever be made into a movie. So yuo can imagine the joy of my generation, when technology caught up to imagination and the movies were made!

Well, that was the most obvious loop-hole, what's the opposite of a man? Anyway, I'll need to watch the other movies sometime....

By the way, I haven't read Fellowship of the Ring for some time, but I think that in the book they didn't see the skeletons of Dwarves right away after entering Moria, right?

As for hobbits, I never really liked them, but my favorite has to be Pippin...But that's because he has something to do with Gondor, and the Gondorians are my favorite race (I'd guess they're technically a branch of a race...)

As for favorite character if choosing from all, then Gandalf would be my favorite, followed by Witch-King and Faramir.

Oh, and if I mentioned the Witch-King, then I can start talking about Nazguls in general... I wish the Ringwraiths were actually named. I know there was one, who's describbed as the second in command of Nazgul, his name begins with a K I believe, he was mentioned in 'The Unfinished Tales' I think... but none other were named. If 'Witch-King of Angmar' doesn't count as a name, which I rather doubt.

This post has been edited by Gaius Maximus: Aug 13 2007, 07:02 PM

Well Gaius, here is something we both can relate to:

The Tolkien fan base has named them by general acception:

1) El-Murazor (Witch King)*
2) Dwar of Maw
3) Ren the Unclean
4) Khamul the Black Easterling (Controled Dol Guldor in Mirkwood until Sauron's spirit fled.)*
5) Ji Indur
6) Akhorahil
7) Hoarmurath
8) Adunaphel
9) Uvatha the Blind Sorceror

That's the current names of the nine, the ones with the * mean those are Tolkien's names.

Anyways, there's a whole history about the Nine's lives as men before they faded into Wraiths.

Hurray, finally can't campaign for the student association council election anymore! I think I will get in and a lot of other people think so too. Elections tomorrow and Thursday so I can't campaign on election days and I am finally FREE!!

Witch-King should've been named Akatosh, seeing as both are leaders of the Nine.

Yeah, that was a bad joke...

But anyway, I think I'll be at least a bit correct by saying that they were lords in Numenor before Sauron presented them Nine Great Rings?

This post has been edited by Gaius Maximus: Aug 14 2007, 09:23 PM

The Witch King was not of Numenorian blood, he came from a land called Angmar, where the Barrows are in the Fellowship of the Ring. Frodo encountered a prince of the land of Angmar before it was destroyed by Isildur in the second age.

Khamul was a Easterling that obviously came from the East, therefore, could not be Numenorian. He gladly accepted the ring, as did El-Murazor.

The other seven were gradually given rings, not all at once. The nine fought Gandalf and the White Council late in the Second Age, before the death of Isildur. They disappeared with the loss of the ring, and went into hiding in Minas Morgul.

Sauron gave the dwarves rings too, as the movie and books dictate. Here is the lowdown on the power of each of the rings.

(3) Elven Rings: Grants control over element in nature, Narya, Nenya, Vilya
(7) Dwarven Rings: Corrupted good character, turned dwarved greedy and deceitful, which is why Durin dug so deep and awoke the Balrog, Durin's Bane. All but two were destroyed or lost.
(9) Rings of Men: Mastery of sorcery and strength in battle, corrupted the spirit and turned them into a fade. Also, granted passage into the world that Sauron created, a mirror world that is shadows and darkness. All were destroyed in the fall of Sauron.

Gandalf ended up with Narnya, the ring of Fire, given to him by Cirdain the Shipwright, to help Gandalf with his quest after he was reincarnated.

Yes, about Dwarves and rings, I recall that the Dwarves were said to be too strong to sucumb to Sauron's will and serve him, but they still became corrupted by gold, the only thing that Sauron could do about them.

Also, for the Balrog, I heard somewhere that it may have been awakened already by Sauron's evil, the Dwarves only set it free.

Also, if you've mentioned Gandalf, then I can start talking about East-Helper (Rómestámo) and Darkness-Slayer (Morinehtar). I heard that they both suceeded in their missions. So I believe that means they'll be returning to Undying lands, like Gandalf, I guess?

Let me put on my English major hat- <ahem>

The business about the Witch-King being "unkillable" is a reflection of MacBeth with the whole Wyrd Sisters "None of woman born shall harm Macbeth" prophecy. Of course, MacDuff was born by Caesarian section ("from his mother's womb untimely ripped").

The whole point of prophecy (and wishes) is that the wording is VERY important (and open to interpretation).

For me, I most loved Theoden's call to battle- "A sword day, a red day, ere the sun rises!"

I was scanning another forum and found a link to this funny video on YouTube. Here it is. Both my parents think it is funny also.

Dang Youtube never works for me. Bloody internet.

But since we're having a major discussion about LOTR, is it the one where they fire Frodo by catapult?