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Gaius Maximus |
Aug 15 2007, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(jack cloudy @ Aug 15 2007, 06:14 PM)  Dang Youtube never works for me. Bloody internet. But since we're having a major discussion about LOTR, is it the one where they fire Frodo by catapult? The title is 'Red Dwarf - Ace Rimmer', and since the beginning includes a German Aircraft, I doubt it's LotR-themed, but it might just be something about traveling into Middle-Earth, and stuff. Dang my slow internet, unable to load faster... QUOTE Let me put on my English major hat- <ahem>
The business about the Witch-King being "unkillable" is a reflection of MacBeth with the whole Wyrd Sisters "None of woman born shall harm Macbeth" prophecy. Of course, MacDuff was born by Caesarian section ("from his mother's womb untimely ripped").
The whole point of prophecy (and wishes) is that the wording is VERY important (and open to interpretation).
For me, I most loved Theoden's call to battle- "A sword day, a red day, ere the sun rises!"
I see. But still, Gandalf would've been cooler. Too bad we never got to see Gandalf's powers to greater extent than just scaring off the Fell Riders or break the bridge in Moria. But since he managed to kill Balrog in his Grey form, a feat that not many could complete, I'd guess his White form had to be even more powerful, assuming he was sent down with new powers. As for my favorite moment, it would either be the Grond's appearing or part where Theoden stroke down the Haradrim's flag and its bearer. This post has been edited by Gaius Maximus: Aug 15 2007, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE It's very important to know what to say. For example, one time I was staying at a hotel, and a dog in the room next to mine started barking at 5 AM... I walked out, opened my mouth, and realized I didn't know what to say. So I just proclaimed 'I've killed before!'
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Aug 15 2007, 07:56 PM
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Ah, too bad. That movie (slideshow) was just too damn funny. Crap, if only I knew where I saw it. As for Gandalf, I love him except for one thing. Too much swordplay. I know that he doesn't fling fireballs all the time but seriously, not even Gandalf should outmelee Aragorn. Oh, and I found the chasing of the fell riders rather lame in the movies. The damn pseudo-dragons got scared by a lighthouse. Funny/cool Gandalf bits. Gandalf whacking Theoden on the head. ,,Go sane, you idiot!" (Bonk!) Gandalf on the bridge. ,,You shall not pass!!!!" (BOOOMM!!) Gandalf in Moria against Peppin/Merry (I forgot.) ,,You fool of a Took! Next time, throw yourself in!" Ok, so it was Peppin. Gandalf with the fireworks. Gandalf with Bilbo in the hobbit. (note, this is not the literal text but it kinda shows what happened.) ,,Hi, I am an old wizard who is here with a whole gang of dwarves and we want you to come with us on an adventure. Near certain death, it will be fun! Oh, and don't ask why we picked you despite countless better people. Oh, and forget your handkerchief, you won't need it." Oh, and more Moria. I just never managed to understand how a battle in freefall, fought under/inside a mountain, managed to end on top of a completely different mountain. Interdimensional warping? This post has been edited by jack cloudy: Aug 15 2007, 07:58 PM
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Gaius Maximus |
Aug 15 2007, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE(jack cloudy @ Aug 15 2007, 06:56 PM)  Oh, and more Moria. I just never managed to understand how a battle in freefall, fought under/inside a mountain, managed to end on top of a completely different mountain. Interdimensional warping?
Actually, the bane of Durin and Gandalf fell into water after some time falling down, where they fought more according to the book. Balrog's flame went out, se he was weakened loads, and fled after a fight. Gandalf pursued, the Balrog now his hope (The Bane of Durin should've known the surroundings well, having spent some time there). Finally, after climbing a huge stair, the pair ended up on the mountain, where balrog once again lighted up, resuming their fight. Following that, Gandalf killed him, then died himself due to the wounds. As for Gandalf/Swordsplay thing, Aragorn is more than 100 years old. Gandalf is more than several thousand years old. I think he had time, since the wizard don't age (Or age ver slowly, so slowly they're immortal). Or at least that's how I explain it. This post has been edited by Gaius Maximus: Aug 15 2007, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE It's very important to know what to say. For example, one time I was staying at a hotel, and a dog in the room next to mine started barking at 5 AM... I walked out, opened my mouth, and realized I didn't know what to say. So I just proclaimed 'I've killed before!'
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Gaius Maximus |
Aug 15 2007, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE(jack cloudy @ Aug 15 2007, 08:15 PM)  Ok, good explanation except for the Aragorn being over 100 years old thing. Is he really that old? I thought he was a normal human (well, almost normal), so with a normal lifespan. I always guessed him at being in his thirties during the great war. So Gandalf can be one hell of a swordfighter. Ok, but I still want to see him trip over his beard someday. That would be hilarious.  Aragorn is a Dunedain, of the Royal Bloodline - Dunedain live longer than normal humans, as seen in a dialogue between Gandalf and Aragorn - I don't recall it completely, but it was something like 'When those that will soon be born will grow old, I will grow old as well.' This indicates that if he was reffering to Gondorians (Who live a bit longer than other men, 100 and a bit up), then he has another hundred of years to live. Also, Aragorn's age is shown in a line somewhat like this, though not completely: 'Even to the ones of the old Palace I am not young...' following that was something unrelated to our discussion. Gandalf tripping over his beard? Oh, that would be truly hilarious! 'Die, Balrog... Oh no! Stupid beaaaa... (Flies off the mountain)' or perhaps 'I will defeat you, Witch-King! (Swings, tripps on beard, lands on Witch-King and kills him) Wow... Well, that'll work as well.' This post has been edited by Gaius Maximus: Aug 15 2007, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE It's very important to know what to say. For example, one time I was staying at a hotel, and a dog in the room next to mine started barking at 5 AM... I walked out, opened my mouth, and realized I didn't know what to say. So I just proclaimed 'I've killed before!'
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The Metal Mallet |
Aug 17 2007, 06:35 AM
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QUOTE(Zarrexaij @ Aug 16 2007, 08:43 PM)  God I hate people. And I hate underclassmen pseudo goths who decide wearing a Tool tshirt would be cool even though they don't listen to the damn band because they saw me wearing a Tool tshirt last year even more.
Seriously, I don't see how some people manage to breathe. Urgh....
Yeah, this is my incomprehensible ranting of the day. I got annoyed. Whoohoo.
Tool is a sweet band. I saw them live a little while ago and they simple blew my mind. Just hearing songs like Lateralus, Wings For Marie/10,000 Days, 46 and two, and Jambi live simply amazed me. Just be happy that they're spreading the word that Tool is a sweet band. Now if people only wore more Insomnium shirts....
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Aug 18 2007, 06:37 PM
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Real quick Istari (Wizards/Lesser Maiar of Middle Earth and Beleriand) facts that are cool:
Five wizards during the Second Age:
Radagast the Brown (Aspect Nature) Sarumon of Many Colors (Aspect of Perception) Mithradir (Gandalf) (Aspect of Wisdom) Orond the Blue (Tricky to classify, basically both these last two wizards were sent into the East to try and find out about the Easterling's magic, yes, the Easterlings had their own magic) Ollowe the Blue (But basically, these two Blue Wizards were presumed dead, I think Gaius has there Names according to Men, the only wizard to leave Middle Earth via the Grey Havens was Gandalf, Radagast elected to stay, Sarumon was destroyed by the hobbits (pretty funny), and the other two havent been heard from for two Ages)
Then there is that whole thing with Tom Bombadil.
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If we wait for the moment when everything, absolutely everything is ready, we shall never begin. - Ivan Turgenev
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Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
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Gaius Maximus |
Aug 18 2007, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(Priest of Sithis @ Aug 18 2007, 05:37 PM)  Real quick Istari (Wizards/Lesser Maiar of Middle Earth and Beleriand) facts that are cool:
Five wizards during the Second Age:
Radagast the Brown (Aspect Nature) Sarumon of Many Colors (Aspect of Perception) Mithradir (Gandalf) (Aspect of Wisdom) Orond the Blue (Tricky to classify, basically both these last two wizards were sent into the East to try and find out about the Easterling's magic, yes, the Easterlings had their own magic) Ollowe the Blue (But basically, these two Blue Wizards were presumed dead, I think Gaius has there Names according to Men, the only wizard to leave Middle Earth via the Grey Havens was Gandalf, Radagast elected to stay, Sarumon was destroyed by the hobbits (pretty funny), and the other two havent been heard from for two Ages)
Then there is that whole thing with Tom Bombadil.
As far as I know of Radagast, he failed being a wizard and abandoned the ways because of nature, though 'his failure wasn't as great as Saruman's and he may someday return to the Undying Lands' or something. As for the two Blue Wizards, at first it was said that two wizards (Don't recall the names right now, but I think they're the ones you've mentioned) failed pretty much like Saruman, being tempted by the power. But then later, there were two wizards under the names I have somewhere in my post, and they were said to have been sucesful pretty much like Gandalf and alive, it's just that the maps of Lord of the Rings didn't reach their locations, since the story was focused mostly around West if I'm correct.
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QUOTE It's very important to know what to say. For example, one time I was staying at a hotel, and a dog in the room next to mine started barking at 5 AM... I walked out, opened my mouth, and realized I didn't know what to say. So I just proclaimed 'I've killed before!'
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