but then the entire plan for the plot would be ruined.

Isn't he already going to have to reveal his true identity to Rann? I hope Issac will be around for a smug comment, but I doubt it. Anyway, it will relieve a lot of stress when Veric is revealed..... so much frustration.

I am going to have the Silhouette take the temple district and green emperor way. That way the city is cut in half. Then the huge battle happens when they break into Green Emperor Way. That will be the final part. Then Mannimarco and Veric can fight the Silhouette. Then the Silhouette will have to fight two on one, and when he sees his army crumble he dissappears.

Even if Karn tried to reveal Altair as Veric, I'm sure the others like Rann, Amrita, Voltar, and perhaps Aerona would not believe him. The fact that he once was trying to kill them should prove to show that the group shouldn't trust him. Basically I think the arguments Amrita told Issac would be enough to sway those not wholly set out to expose Altair.

And in answer to the random post in the playground (that I think was meant for this thread) Rahvin never saw Veric change. In fact, he only just recently discovered that Sadril worked for Veric.

And I bet Flogir and Flint would be on Rann's side, being that they suspect Green-Root.

This post has been edited by Dantrag: Aug 22 2007, 05:01 AM

Yeah, my bad on that....... Anyway, I still have Green-Root, Tenek (he'll show up.... I'll make sure of it), and the Narza'Tai on my character's side. I don't know if Amrita will be able to lead Satyana astray. But ultimately my characters will have a shining moment when everyone realizes that Altair/Veric isn't so great...... I doubt they'll get to be smug at that momnet, but it just helps me (and them) sleep at night.

I have this big urge to make Green-Root brag to Flint about Altair being a yellow-eye Breton in disguise, seeing as how the whole enmity between the two was because of Altair. I mean, it would be something Root would do but Flint isn't that stupid either. He's had a Veric-obsession for the last twenty years now and only the recent crisis with the Silhouette has pushed it to the background of his mind. He would realize that not even the Argonian could imagine something like that so he would instantly turn camps.

If Flint does that though, he can't be one of the people who get under the emperor's vow and under Veric's thumb later.

Should Green-Root tell or not?

*Obsessive screeching* Do it, do it!!!! *Normal voice* Yeah, let's let it happen. Karn can even tell how Veric sent him after the group after Satyana escaped.

^^The whole point is nobody's supposed to know before he comes to power. If people know, then nobody's gonna support him.

This post has been edited by Dantrag: Aug 22 2007, 06:22 PM

Still, isn't Veric going to have his rise after the siege ends? We can just have that the people who know don't find the appropriate time to try and convince those who don't. Besides, aside from Flint, the entire anti-Veric/Altair party isn't that credible in the eyes of Rann, Aerona, and (maybe) Dalrus.

Now that everyone's cooped up in the city, I don't see how there will be much peace where people can have an undisturbed argument while three-no-four armies are fighting (not four-way, but there are two forces against two with no-discrimination policies).

From what I remember, only Karn (and Voltar, Sadril(what's he been up to?), and Amrita) truly knows that Veric is Altair. Somehow Karn managed to convince Ian (I'm still a bit confused as to why he believes him) which indirectly convinced Issac and possibly Satyana due to their trust in Ian. Oh yea, and Karn managed to convince Green-Root as well, but only on the fact that Altair isn't to be trusted right (due to him seeing Voltar with two "different" people)?

That's about right, so only Karn knows that Altair's real name is Veric, but it wouldn't be very difficult for him to tell the others who know Altair can't be trusted. Shogun said that anyone who feels able should take over his characters, btw.

Yes, but my concern is why believe Karn, a person who until the siege started to happen was willingly trying to murder them? To me, it doesn't make sense to believe him just because he's right. His character traits up till now would not inspire much trust. Sure, he showed Ian that amulet, but did Ian try to use it to find out who he was communicating with on the other line? For all he knows, it could've been a hunk of junk basically.

Like, I know it's interesting to have this "Altair is Veric" conspiracy among some of the characters, but I feel that some characters were convinced a little too easily.

Well, both Ian and Karn have fought each other for more than twenty years, they know how the other thinks. Ian knows that Karn has changed from a simple murderer to a more thoughtful leader-figure since he took the riens of the Narza'Tai.

Ian has never trusted Altair, who he knows has something to hide. So the vampire agent firmly believes that Karn is telling the truth because thye both know the status quo has changed. As agents, Ian and Issac seek to perserve the existance of civilized life, they know the Empire needs a strong foundation if it is to recover.

Likewise, Karn and the Narza'Tai want the new governemnt to be strong for the same reasons. Both former combatants acknowledge that their goals are one and the same now that the storm is coming (literally and metaphorically).
Ian and Issac's "far-sightedness" and suspicions lead them to believe that Altair/Veric is not the kind of leader the people need to lead them in recovery. The way agents are taught means they must exploit every opportunity to accomplish a desirable outcome.

In a (philosophical) wierd way, Ian and Karn don't have as much of a problem working side by side being that they know (and can read) each other better than most of the other characters.

also, if people do not trust someone just by a vibe they get, they don't care who they hear it from, they will believe anything bad said about someone.

Dalrus does not like Altair, however, she does not think he is evil, she just thinks he is a political person who wants to become popular. I want to get her a little more involved in the plot. Anyway I can do that?

Agents also performs tasks that can be considered decietful and sneaky, they're basically like spys and assume false identities and whatnot. You'd think that Ian would be the last person to believe Karn because they've been mortal enemies for so long, that his "changes" is simply a ploy to try to further some sort of goal Karn seeks. But that's just me.

You do provide some valid points, as it does seem that Karn has changed due to his leadership role. But the fact that Ian and Karn plan to kill one another even after this situation is dealt with leads me to believe that they would try to stay apart from one another as much as possible or watch each others' backs just so that they get the privilege of killing their long despised opponent instead of some zombie/creature.

And perhaps the termanology of "when this is over" can extend the wait until their fight when they realize that Altair actually will seize power. So instead of having their fight after the war, they have it at the end of the RP..... I still haven't decided who will die, so maybe it would be best for them to postpone their grudge.

Hehe, I guess that's the good thing about RPs: you can change stuff on the fly.

Unless something contradictory was in a locked down thread.... then its pretty much written in stone. Unless a Moderator or Admin can edit those posts.

Btw, what exactly is Green-Root getting at, Cloudy? Just to clarify.

Basically, Green-Root wants someone else to spill the beans, someone Flint won't just ignore 'because I don't trust you'.

The way things are, a completely unknown person saying the right words has a hundred times better chance at convincing Flint than Root.

If Flint is convinced, he might spread the word.

Of course, even with a convinced Flint it won't help much. Just look at the Issac+Sathyana disaster.