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Thomas Kaira
post May 3 2011, 06:47 PM
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May I ask exactly why? Oblivion could take open cities in perfect stride. The only reason the cities got closed at all was because BethSoft panicked about the console support.

Granted, they did have an excuse then, as they only received the Xbox 360 to do actual testing over the last three months of dev. time, but here... not so much. The current excuse is that the consoles can't handle what they are doing. Trouble is, the industry always manages to surprise us with exactly what those consoles CAN handle.

So long as the NPC count in the cities goes up by at least twice what we got in Oblivion, I will be understanding and shall complain no more. If not... well... then I will KNOW you are just being lazy. I want to see progress in making these games the best they can be, I don't want Skyrim to simply be Oblivion HD.

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In other news:

- Alchemy is becoming a stealth skill. (Approve! Approve!)

- There will be no minigames involved with the crafting skills (Thank you!)

- Giants, Draugr, and other creatures will receive a bit of culture from the AI engine (Looking forward to this.)

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post Jul 1 2011, 10:47 PM
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I started playing Mass Effect 1 about a week ago, and noticed that it does not have attributes either. You just have your character's class, and then the skills you increase. You even start with one of every type of weapon in the game. I mention it because this appears to be the same direction Skyrim is taking.

My impressions on how this effects the gameplay is that my character feels less distinct then the ones I have for Oblivion or Fallout. After all, the skinny Asari scientist is just as strong as the hulking Krogan thug, and the Krogan is just as smart as she is. There appears to be no real difference between the races at all, except for how they look. It is more like I am playing a generic 'toon' in a game then a real person. I hate using that term, but it really does fit under the circumstances.

Without attributes, I wonder what sort of actual nitty gritty differences there will be between the races in Skyrim? I suppose just once-a-day powers like the Redguards and Nords have, which I never use anyway. Plus the few permanent bonuses like the Breton magicka boost. I imagine that where 75% of people seem to play Bretons in Oblivion, it will climb to 95% in Skyrim if that is the case...

OTOH Skyrim will supposedly have Fallout style perks to hopefully round out the characters. But when you look at those perks, at least half of them are just adding a few points to two of your skills. Nothing really defining there. Most others give you something like a bonus to hit in vats, or let you do more damage. Only a few, like Child At Heart or Animal Friend, seem to really say something about who and what your character is. So it seems unlikely to me that the perks in Skyrim will really make characters feel unique.

On the subject of the ME1 elevators, before the first ride was over I was wishing for a load screen instead. I have sat in thousands of boring elevators rides IRL. I don't play games because I cannot wait to experience more of that special kind of ennui. I vastly prefer a loading screen with a status bar that shows me how long I have to wait. If it is going to be long, then I know I can get up and get a glass of water. If not, then at least I know I am not going to be sitting waiting forever.


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Thomas Kaira   Oh, come on, Bethesda!   May 3 2011, 06:47 PM
mALX   It's CRUNCH TIME at Bethesda, Todd Howard is b...   May 4 2011, 03:28 PM
Kiln   I'm worried about the future of TES as a whole...   May 6 2011, 01:06 PM
Helena   -Attributes are no more No more attributes? Seriou...   May 6 2011, 05:37 PM
Destri Melarg   First off I need to stress that I am not a Bethesd...   May 7 2011, 01:20 AM
Helena   First off I need to stress that I am not a Bethes...   May 7 2011, 03:46 PM
Bolzmania   Luckily for me I have a very open mind when it com...   Jun 8 2011, 09:38 PM
Helena   Luckily for me I have a very open mind when it com...   Jun 8 2011, 10:45 PM
haute ecole rider   It's not really such a big deal in the grand ...   Jun 9 2011, 12:31 AM
Helena   It would have been nice to have Beth come up with ...   Jun 9 2011, 08:57 PM
Bolzmania   Who even said anything about the amount of action ...   Jun 12 2011, 07:38 PM
Burnt Sierra   [quote name='Helena' post='129840' date='Jun 8 20...   Jun 12 2011, 09:54 PM
Bolzmania   From my point of view, it isn't an increase in...   Jun 17 2011, 02:53 PM
Helena   Is that a joke? That's one of the things peopl...   Jun 13 2011, 06:20 PM
King Coin   I was initially pissed off about attributes being ...   May 7 2011, 01:34 AM
Thomas Kaira   To tell you the truth, I can accept the cities bei...   May 7 2011, 02:00 AM
King Coin   @ TK Sounds like ME's infamous elevators... y...   May 7 2011, 04:13 AM
Thomas Kaira   Yes. I do. ME2 was a great technical achievement,...   May 7 2011, 04:49 AM
King Coin   To each their own. I personally liked the loading...   May 7 2011, 04:58 AM
Thomas Kaira   But therein lies a problem: load screen text has b...   May 7 2011, 05:07 AM
Destri Melarg   Glad to see I'm not the only one who didn...   May 7 2011, 07:54 AM
King Coin   While you wait you manage to overhear the two gua...   May 7 2011, 03:36 PM
ureniashtram   Woah. Woah. Attributes are .. gone? They could...   May 7 2011, 08:07 AM
Ahrenil   As far as the removal of attributes go i'm not...   May 7 2011, 11:53 PM
Kiln   I'm with the crowd of people that have had ver...   May 26 2011, 05:52 AM
Thomas Kaira   Bethesda changed their "recipe" complete...   May 26 2011, 08:24 AM
Kiln   I really hope Bethesda learned their lesson with ...   May 26 2011, 09:27 AM
haute ecole rider   I'm not going to jump on the Skyrim bandwagon....   May 26 2011, 08:09 PM
treydog   I am obviously firmly in the "Morrowind...   May 29 2011, 07:56 PM
Burnt Sierra   You know, I'm actually holding out some hope f...   May 30 2011, 12:48 AM
Grits   I am completely sucked in by the hype and wildly o...   May 30 2011, 05:49 AM
Black Hand   Well, as long as I can be a sneaky looking Assassi...   Jun 4 2011, 03:58 AM
saqin   I actually like what I've seen so far of Skyri...   Jun 10 2011, 02:09 PM
King Coin   If I didn't want a character to start in priso...   Jun 10 2011, 02:17 PM
Helena   If I didn't want a character to start in pris...   Jun 10 2011, 09:05 PM
King Coin   It's hard to just ignore the tutorial when yo...   Jun 11 2011, 02:14 AM
Thomas Kaira   Rumor has it that now Bethesda has chosen to merge...   Jun 12 2011, 06:55 AM
ureniashtram   What? I hope the rumors are just rumors, BioWare d...   Jun 12 2011, 01:04 PM
King Coin   I really hope not   Jun 12 2011, 04:20 PM
Kiln   As per the discussion about starting in prison eve...   Jun 13 2011, 03:38 AM
Destri Melarg   See . . . this is what happens when you are absent...   Jun 27 2011, 11:51 PM
Helena   So what you are saying is that you are throwing a ...   Jun 29 2011, 07:33 PM
Destri Melarg   All right, yes, I'm throwing a 'Mourning ...   Jun 30 2011, 05:19 AM
Helena   I do maintain that any pre-existing background giv...   Jul 1 2011, 06:14 PM
Captain Hammer   I don't think 75% of Oblivion players default ...   Jul 3 2011, 10:01 PM
Thomas Kaira   Skyrim will use Steamworks for DRM. Make of it w...   Aug 17 2011, 04:28 PM
King Coin   So what does that mean then? Will I have to DL the...   Aug 17 2011, 04:43 PM
Thomas Kaira   Yes, you have to download the Steam client, (or ra...   Aug 17 2011, 05:05 PM
King Coin   Well, that's bad news indeed.   Aug 17 2011, 05:18 PM
Thomas Kaira   My latest confirmation I feel is rather thick on B...   Aug 24 2011, 01:02 AM
Black Hand   .   Aug 24 2011, 05:37 AM
Thomas Kaira   Okay, I'm getting sick of all this stripping d...   Aug 27 2011, 12:19 PM
Kiln   So are you still buying it? I know for a fact tha...   Aug 30 2011, 09:16 PM
Thomas Kaira   There has been a lot of rather fearful speculation...   Oct 16 2011, 05:43 AM
McBadgere   There has been a lot of rather fearful speculatio...   Oct 29 2011, 02:18 PM
Feralikazam   I think closed cities..or holds I should say are a...   Oct 28 2011, 10:50 PM
Thomas Kaira   I think closed cities..or holds I should say are ...   Oct 29 2011, 12:04 AM
Riften   You people are mad at 5 closed in city's? You ...   Oct 29 2011, 05:04 PM
King Coin   You people are mad at 5 closed in city's? You...   Oct 29 2011, 05:33 PM
Thomas Kaira   Since when did spreadsheets of your character hel...   Oct 29 2011, 06:08 PM
McBadgere   Just re-reading the whole topic...Very heavy stuff...   Oct 30 2011, 12:41 PM
Thomas Kaira   Why?...Just curious, I have no idea who they ar...   Oct 30 2011, 06:18 PM


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