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mALX
post Nov 11 2011, 03:49 PM
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The good:

The wait function - better than Oblivion's
Player has vocalizations !! May make modding the voices easier !!



The bad:

How the heck do you alter the age of your character?
Voice acting - not as good as Oblivion so far


The Ugly:

Characters are butt ugly and very unrealistic and weird movements


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post Nov 15 2011, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(King Coin @ Nov 14 2011, 11:39 PM) *

Let's be honest: If you didn't have indoor plumbing, how much bathing would you do? In the winter especially.

EDIT: I know where you are coming from but it just makes sense that people would be just plain dirtier. Bathing everyday is a pretty modern development.

Actually bathing every day was standard for the Romans, and they took their bathhouses all across North Africa, Europe, and Near Asia. It was an important place for socializing, and making backroom deals. When the Vikings conquered eastern England, they were very popular with the local women, because the Norse men bathed on a regular basis. Our modern society likes to think that we are so advanced, and that everyone who came before us were primitive savages rolling around in the dirt. But that is just hubris. Our ancestors were not as stupid, or disgusting, as we like to pretend they were. For example, the Minoans had running water and flush toilets back in the Bronze Age.

Speaking purely in the ES universe, in Skyrim we start the game able to shoot fire and lightning from our fingers. But no one has a spell to wash their hair, or their body? Give me a break.


QUOTE(liliandra nadiar @ Nov 14 2011, 11:55 PM) *

Of course, it could be worse, we could have the shiny plastic hair from Oblivion. tongue.gif

Give me the Oblivion hair any day. Even the vanilla looks much better then what Skyrim offers. Much less Corean or Rens. The Skyrim hair looks dead and lifeless, not to mention icky. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot poleaxe.

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post Nov 15 2011, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Nov 15 2011, 10:27 AM) *

Actually bathing every day was standard for the Romans, and they took their bathhouses all across North Africa, Europe, and Near Asia. It was an important place for socializing, and making backroom deals. When the Vikings conquered eastern England, they were very popular with the local women, because the Norse men bathed on a regular basis. Our modern society likes to think that we are so advanced, and that everyone who came before us were primitive savages rolling around in the dirt. But that is just hubris. Our ancestors were not as stupid, or disgusting, as we like to pretend they were. For example, the Minoans had running water and flush toilets back in the Bronze Age.


Romans - basically upper class bathed everyday, but the common rabble? No. They had to work. I wonder if they were even allowed in the bathhouses.

Norse - How did they bathe everyday? Especially in the winter months? They going to haul water and heat it everyday inside? I really doubt it.

Yes there are some ancient societies that had pluming. Very limited example though. It was hardly widespread and they made their pipes out of lead.

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post Nov 15 2011, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(King Coin @ Nov 15 2011, 11:56 AM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Nov 15 2011, 10:27 AM) *

Actually bathing every day was standard for the Romans, and they took their bathhouses all across North Africa, Europe, and Near Asia. It was an important place for socializing, and making backroom deals. When the Vikings conquered eastern England, they were very popular with the local women, because the Norse men bathed on a regular basis. Our modern society likes to think that we are so advanced, and that everyone who came before us were primitive savages rolling around in the dirt. But that is just hubris. Our ancestors were not as stupid, or disgusting, as we like to pretend they were. For example, the Minoans had running water and flush toilets back in the Bronze Age.


Romans - basically upper class bathed everyday, but the common rabble? No. They had to work. I wonder if they were even allowed in the bathhouses.

Norse - How did they bathe everyday? Especially in the winter months? They going to haul water and heat it everyday inside? I really doubt it.

Yes there are some ancient societies that had pluming. Very limited example though. It was hardly widespread and they made their pipes out of lead.

The Roman rabble did take a bath every day. It was cheap, and part of their society. Just like it is part of ours. It is not difficult to bathe. You do not require a super high technology to do it. Just water. You do not even need a tub, or a huge amount of water. A washcloth and enough water to soak it will do. Take a look for some examples.

And even reality aside, it is ridiculous to think that in a world where it is common to shoot out fire and lighting from your hand, let alone conjure up monsters from other dimensions, turn invisible, trap souls, and so on, that no one can cast a clean up spell.

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mALX   The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly   Nov 11 2011, 03:49 PM
King Coin   One thing to add to the bad: Massive update for PC...   Nov 11 2011, 04:01 PM
SubRosa   One thing to add to the bad: Massive update for P...   Nov 11 2011, 04:17 PM
King Coin   One more reason that Steam = blech No kidding. I...   Nov 11 2011, 04:20 PM
mALX   Good: The map is pretty awesome   Nov 11 2011, 04:24 PM
Acadian   mALX, this is a wonderful idea for a thread! ...   Nov 11 2011, 04:25 PM
mALX   Bad: Crime ESP - commit a crime in one town and t...   Nov 11 2011, 05:59 PM
Thomas Kaira   I know I've already harped on this but... Bad...   Nov 11 2011, 06:41 PM
mALX   I know I've already harped on this but... Ba...   Nov 11 2011, 06:50 PM
King Coin   ...but now I need to wait for that stupid 200+Mb ...   Nov 11 2011, 07:33 PM
McBadgere   The good... My God it's beautiful...I love th...   Nov 11 2011, 07:36 PM
Thomas Kaira   KC: Read this. Steam is trying to download the en...   Nov 11 2011, 08:26 PM
King Coin   KC: Read this. Steam is trying to download the e...   Nov 11 2011, 08:30 PM
mALX   Good: People who don't care for Steam, if yo...   Nov 11 2011, 08:50 PM
King Coin   You gotta have a Steam account. EDIT: And thank y...   Nov 11 2011, 08:52 PM
Thomas Kaira   You still need to install from Steam, but once you...   Nov 11 2011, 09:18 PM
mALX   You still need to install from Steam, but once yo...   Nov 11 2011, 10:20 PM
Grits   The Ugly: My character’s silly walk. The Bad: Sti...   Nov 12 2011, 12:53 AM
King Coin   Blood on screen? I missed that. Or haven't fou...   Nov 12 2011, 01:06 AM
Thomas Kaira   The waddle-walk? Yes it is pretty silly. Especial...   Nov 12 2011, 02:43 AM
King Coin   Something surprising to me: The game runs better i...   Nov 12 2011, 03:10 AM
Thomas Kaira   The hilarious: In Skyrim, Elephants can fly. :rofl...   Nov 12 2011, 03:16 AM
Uleni Athram   And if you put a basket on NPC's heads thanks ...   Nov 12 2011, 12:20 PM
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Jacki Dice   The Good: Love the variety of voices, the detail i...   Nov 13 2011, 07:32 AM
Thomas Kaira   Bad: Remapping key functions on PC is borked. I...   Nov 13 2011, 07:58 AM
canis216   Good: Creatures, dungeons, landscapes. Combat is n...   Nov 14 2011, 02:38 AM
Kiln   Rented the game from redbox. The forced finishers...   Nov 14 2011, 03:23 AM
treydog   The good- they have MAMMOTHS! Woo Hoo! Y...   Nov 14 2011, 01:57 PM
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King Coin   LOL. I think the dragon didn't quite understan...   Nov 14 2011, 08:10 PM
Thomas Kaira   Rosa: You are going to be VERY disappointed about...   Nov 14 2011, 09:13 PM
liliandra nadiar   Still puttering around Whiterun on my characters. ...   Nov 15 2011, 12:21 AM
King Coin   Ugly: Most person models. As others have said, ...   Nov 15 2011, 05:39 AM
Thomas Kaira   Lili: launch Skyrim directly from TESV.EXE and Ste...   Nov 15 2011, 05:05 AM
liliandra nadiar   Very true, but there's a pretty common mental ...   Nov 15 2011, 05:55 AM
mALX   I've never seen so much clipping in any game b...   Nov 15 2011, 01:57 PM
Feralikazam   Holy crap malX I swear to god I made this exact sa...   Nov 15 2011, 04:32 PM
liliandra nadiar   Couple other irritants I've been coming across...   Nov 15 2011, 05:05 PM
Helena   Actually bathing every day was standard for the Ro...   Nov 16 2011, 01:33 AM
King Coin   Neither one of us are going to budge so I will not...   Nov 15 2011, 07:22 PM
mALX   Here is a Good thing: The fatigue system is more ...   Nov 16 2011, 02:30 AM
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mALX   Ugly: The revamped physics have an annoying tende...   Nov 16 2011, 03:45 AM
McBadgere   Markath is bugged to hell... I live there...Soooo...   Nov 16 2011, 05:46 AM
Kiln   You thought it was hard to organize your things in...   Nov 16 2011, 07:39 AM
mALX   Also, I hate the amount of unusable containers in...   Nov 16 2011, 07:43 AM
Kiln   Also, I hate the amount of unusable containers i...   Nov 16 2011, 08:08 AM
mALX   [quote name='mALX' post='134938' date='Nov 16 201...   Nov 16 2011, 04:48 PM
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liliandra nadiar   Also wish they had finishers for archery/magic. We...   Nov 17 2011, 12:33 AM
Fuzzy Knight   Come across a few things you can edit in the skyri...   Nov 17 2011, 09:01 PM
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