The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly, Make your lists here! Options

[mALX]

The good:

The wait function - better than Oblivion's
Player has vocalizations !! May make modding the voices easier !!



The bad:

How the heck do you alter the age of your character?
Voice acting - not as good as Oblivion so far


The Ugly:

Characters are butt ugly and very unrealistic and weird movements

[SubRosa]

Let's be honest: If you didn't have indoor plumbing, how much bathing would you do? In the winter especially.

EDIT: I know where you are coming from but it just makes sense that people would be just plain dirtier. Bathing everyday is a pretty modern development.

Actually bathing every day was standard for the Romans, and they took their bathhouses all across North Africa, Europe, and Near Asia. It was an important place for socializing, and making backroom deals. When the Vikings conquered eastern England, they were very popular with the local women, because the Norse men bathed on a regular basis. Our modern society likes to think that we are so advanced, and that everyone who came before us were primitive savages rolling around in the dirt. But that is just hubris. Our ancestors were not as stupid, or disgusting, as we like to pretend they were. For example, the Minoans had running water and flush toilets back in the Bronze Age.

Speaking purely in the ES universe, in Skyrim we start the game able to shoot fire and lightning from our fingers. But no one has a spell to wash their hair, or their body? Give me a break.

Of course, it could be worse, we could have the shiny plastic hair from Oblivion.

Give me the Oblivion hair any day. Even the vanilla looks much better then what Skyrim offers. Much less Corean or Rens. The Skyrim hair looks dead and lifeless, not to mention icky. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot poleaxe.

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Nov 15 2011, 05:29 PM

[Helena]

Actually bathing every day was standard for the Romans, and they took their bathhouses all across North Africa, Europe, and Near Asia. It was an important place for socializing, and making backroom deals. When the Vikings conquered eastern England, they were very popular with the local women, because the Norse men bathed on a regular basis. Our modern society likes to think that we are so advanced, and that everyone who came before us were primitive savages rolling around in the dirt. But that is just hubris. Our ancestors were not as stupid, or disgusting, as we like to pretend they were. For example, the Minoans had running water and flush toilets back in the Bronze Age.

Thank you, SubRosa! I get so tired of posting this exact same thing in different places. People tend to think that the history of hygiene is a simple, linear progression from "really, really dirty" to "moderately dirty" to "clean". Not true at all - attitudes towards bathing and cleanliness have varied wildly over different times and places.

Of course it's true that in general, rich people would bathe more than poor people. But even in the "dirtier" times in European history - which actually applies more to the Renaissance/early industrial era, rather than medieval times - people would at least try to keep their faces and hands clean, and several pre-industrial cultures (such as the Romans) had fairly advanced plumbing systems. Here's couple more links on bathing in the Middle Ages:
http://www.godecookery.com/mtales/mtales08.htm
http://www.family-ancestry.co.uk/history/v.../uncleanliness/

Regarding Skyrim itself: I haven't played it yet, so I can't comment. Nothing in this thread particularly surprises me, however. I'm definitely going to hold off buying it at least until mods are available to fix most of these problems.