Questions of Lore., Ask anything! Options

[Black Hand]

Since we started discussing it in the Role-Playing Forum, the idea occurred to Elizabeth Hollow me to have a dedicated thread where any could go too to ask questions relating to Lore in general.

Now, I don't want this to be TES-exclusive as Bethesda has expanded their repertoire a bit, so I invite others who are indeed masters of their respective domains to jump in and answer the many subjects I will not be able too.

To keep it simple, I think a simple format of:

A.) Ask question.

B.)Loremaster quote question and answer, providing links if necessary as others may wish to learn of it in greater detail.

C.)Where it can be avoided, no needless quote pyramids. Okay, okay that's a personal thing...but still: So much quotations!! Though I understand, sometimes your on a phone and can't really do the detailed snipping.

Now these are only guidelines as I see it. Maybe you have a better idea, and should go with that.

Now, my 'expertise' is limited to the The Elder Scrolls Series, and despite my bragging, there are definitely maybe somethings I don't know, but may be able to point in the right direction.


Alright, lets light this candle! Who gets to ask the first question?

[SubRosa]

Is Talos so powerful, that he can make a rock so big that even he cannot lift it?

Sorry I could not resist. I'll come back sometime with a real question/proposition.

Hey, how about Talos himself. We all have heard that Tiber Septim/Talos/Hjalti Earlybeard became a god. But I cannot ever recall seeing anything in the ES lore that describes - in detail - how? The most I have ever seen anyone say is that he somehow combined with Ysmir and Zurin Arctus in some sort of Mythic Critical Mass. Or that he "walked the walk" i.e. acted enough like Lorkhan that he replaced Lorkhan in the mythic.

But I have never seen anyone describe how you can combine yourself with two others to make yourself a god. Do you all jump into a blender at the same time? Step under a big falling rock that squishes you all together? Do a bunch of ogres all grab a leg or an arm and shove you all together in a big scrum? How come everyone doesn't combine themselves into gods? How come everyone doesn't just pretend to be a god so they can replace them and have uber powers?

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Jul 31 2013, 05:12 AM

[Black Hand]

Hey, how about Talos himself. We all have heard that Tiber Septim/Talos/Hjalti Earlybeard became a god. But I cannot ever recall seeing anything in the ES lore that describes - in detail - how? The most I have ever seen anyone say is that he somehow combined with Ysmir and Zurin Arctus in some sort of Mythic Critical Mass. Or that he "walked the walk" i.e. acted enough like Lorkhan that he replaced Lorkhan in the mythic.

enantiomorph

1. Mirror image, form related to another as an object is to its image in a mirror.
2. Either of a pair of crystals that are mirror images of each other, and are optically active.

The enantiomorph is Lorkhan, with many, many avatars. Despite the fact that none of them necessarily know that the other one is also an Avatar, or that they are as well.

But I have never seen anyone describe how you can combine yourself with two others to make yourself a god. Do you all jump into a blender at the same time? Step under a big falling rock that squishes you all together? Do a bunch of ogres all grab a leg or an arm and shove you all together in a big scrum? How come everyone doesn't combine themselves into gods? How come everyone doesn't just pretend to be a god so they can replace them and have uber powers?

Talos, aka Tiber Septim didn't 'apotheosize' so much as realized his true identity. When he combined with the other embodiments, they mixed together for the same reason pouring water into water becomes inseparable.

As far as 'walking like them, until you become like them' doesn't necessarily mean you get their power.

For example the more pie you eat, the more you are in tune with gravity. By walking a certain way, you become more in tune with that sphere, rather than taking on their powers. Eating the pie doesn't make other things gravitate to you, per se, you simply become part of it that much more.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/m...irkbrides-texts

Yes, what ever happened to Barenziah's baby that was fathered by Jagar Tharn? She was 6 months pregnant with it when they left Cyrodiil to return to High Rock. Where is Tharn's son and heir?

Actually not he, she.

Written of in "the Nightingales, Volumes 1 & 2.

[SubRosa]

Talos, aka Tiber Septim didn't 'apotheosize' so much as realized his true identity. When he combined with the other embodiments, they mixed together for the same reason pouring water into water becomes inseparable.

Yes, I have heard all of that before. I am asking for details, not for generalities. Again, how do you 'pour' three people into one another? This is what I have never seen an answer to in the lore. Did TiberTalosHjalti and Ysmir, and Zurin jump into a big blender? Do you dump them all into a big copper bowl and mix them with a giant wooden spoon? These three were together for years, so why wasn't there just a flash of photons being released the first time they stepped within x amount of feet with one another and suddenly they fused like hydrogen atoms into helium? Why did it not happen until years later and Tiber's death? I suspect that whoever wrote it (Kirkbride or whoever) was suddenly possessed by JJ Abrams and thought "We don't need to put any thought into it, lets just be weird, people think that's cool!"

But there is also a problem with the "alike mixes together" theory. A molecule of H20 that sits in a glass with another does not fuse with it into a new molecule, as Tiber/Zurin/Ysmir did. They are just molecules of H20 sitting next to one another. Or following the fusion example more closely, hydrogen atoms are exactly alike. I can throw a bunch of them together and they do not suddenly fuse into helium. It takes an outside force like gravity and the heat generated by the friction of said atoms being pushed together to exert such influence over them that fusion takes place. So what was the gravity/friction/heat that fused the three men into a god? I would have no problem with there being such an agency or simply natural act of physics. The issue of them being together for years and nothing cosmic happening begs for this to be the case. But I have never seen an answer to what is the catalyst written anywhere in Bethesda's games. I am asking for Oz to step out from behind the curtain.

I would have an easier time believing he somehow manipulated the Numidium and made himself a god, like the Tribunal and Mannimarco did. But boy, has that dead horse been whipped enough by now. Or as some people say that he achieved CHIMP, realized that reality was a dream and ascended to cosmic primateness. But both of these explanations make the whole triple fusion theory of Tiber/Ysmir/Zurin unnecessary and redundant. So then there is no reason to have it in the first place.

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Jul 31 2013, 05:51 PM