Questions of Lore., Ask anything! Options

[Black Hand]

Since we started discussing it in the Role-Playing Forum, the idea occurred to Elizabeth Hollow me to have a dedicated thread where any could go too to ask questions relating to Lore in general.

Now, I don't want this to be TES-exclusive as Bethesda has expanded their repertoire a bit, so I invite others who are indeed masters of their respective domains to jump in and answer the many subjects I will not be able too.

To keep it simple, I think a simple format of:

A.) Ask question.

B.)Loremaster quote question and answer, providing links if necessary as others may wish to learn of it in greater detail.

C.)Where it can be avoided, no needless quote pyramids. Okay, okay that's a personal thing...but still: So much quotations!! Though I understand, sometimes your on a phone and can't really do the detailed snipping.

Now these are only guidelines as I see it. Maybe you have a better idea, and should go with that.

Now, my 'expertise' is limited to the The Elder Scrolls Series, and despite my bragging, there are definitely maybe somethings I don't know, but may be able to point in the right direction.


Alright, lets light this candle! Who gets to ask the first question?

[mALX]

Yes, what ever happened to Barenziah's baby that was fathered by Jagar Tharn? She was 6 months pregnant with it when they left Cyrodiil to return to High Rock. Where is Tharn's son and heir?

[ghastley]

Yes, what ever happened to Barenziah's baby that was fathered by Jagar Tharn? She was 6 months pregnant with it when they left Cyrodiil to return to High Rock. Where is Tharn's son and heir?

I think the answer is no. It wasn't Jagar Tharn's. It was "Nightingale's" - see the Skyrim stuff about them.

[mALX]

Yes, what ever happened to Barenziah's baby that was fathered by Jagar Tharn? She was 6 months pregnant with it when they left Cyrodiil to return to High Rock. Where is Tharn's son and heir?

I think the answer is no. It wasn't Jagar Tharn's. It was "Nightingale's" - see the Skyrim stuff about them.

The Skyrim account changes history though. The Nightingale left her without mating her. She didn't become pregnant till during the Imperial Simulacrum; and that was most definitely Jagar Tharn. He was (then) assumed to be the Nightingale who tricked her into giving him access to the Staff of Chaos.

The Skrim account on Barenziah has jumbled her history to suit their storyline for the Nightingales, but before Skyrim came out the history and dates were clear on it.




This post has been edited by mALX: Jul 31 2013, 06:47 AM

[Black Hand]

The Skyrim account changes history though. The Nightingale left her without mating her. She didn't become pregnant till during the Imperial Simulacrum; and that was most definitely Jagar Tharn. He was (then) assumed to be the Nightingale who tricked her into giving him access to the Staff of Chaos.

The Skrim account on Barenziah has jumbled her history to suit their storyline for the Nightingales, but before Skyrim came out the history and dates were clear on it.

True. Bethesda often does that. Otherwise, I am not certain. In TES V 'lore' it was Dralsi Indoril with Karliah being her Granddaughter.

But also keep in mind how they had two different versions of Barenziah as well.

According to The Real Barenziah, Book V he wasn't Nightingale either. She saw him and Uriel Septim in a Vision when she was before Jagar Tharn in the Imperial Palace. She also had a suspicion:

Something had piqued her interest. "Symmachus. Could this Jagar Tharn have been the Nightingale, disguised?"

Something which Symmachus shrugged off as Jagar Tharn didn't have 'human blood' in his ancestry.

But, that doesn't take into account the power of Illusion spells which is heavily intimated that she was under a 'Charm' spell, and impersonating the Emperor, he certainly was more than capable.

But, this version was written by Plitinius Mero whom the Nerevarine meets in the expansion 'Tribunal' for MW. Any information he would have learned and uncovered was still subject to Barenziah's manipulations. Though she did take him under her wing to protect him from the Imperial Family.

So it would appear the Dev's intentionally left it ambiguous to let the players draw their own conclusions, which they are more or less famous for. Disappearance of the Dwarves and the multiple possibilities for it being among those.

But, yes I know what happened to the Dwarves.