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[Black Hand]

Since we started discussing it in the Role-Playing Forum, the idea occurred to Elizabeth Hollow me to have a dedicated thread where any could go too to ask questions relating to Lore in general.

Now, I don't want this to be TES-exclusive as Bethesda has expanded their repertoire a bit, so I invite others who are indeed masters of their respective domains to jump in and answer the many subjects I will not be able too.

To keep it simple, I think a simple format of:

A.) Ask question.

B.)Loremaster quote question and answer, providing links if necessary as others may wish to learn of it in greater detail.

C.)Where it can be avoided, no needless quote pyramids. Okay, okay that's a personal thing...but still: So much quotations!! Though I understand, sometimes your on a phone and can't really do the detailed snipping.

Now these are only guidelines as I see it. Maybe you have a better idea, and should go with that.

Now, my 'expertise' is limited to the The Elder Scrolls Series, and despite my bragging, there are definitely maybe somethings I don't know, but may be able to point in the right direction.


Alright, lets light this candle! Who gets to ask the first question?

[SubRosa]

I am sorry Blackie, but I still do not see an answer to my question. I think you are missing what I am asking, and going off on tangents. I am looking for a direct answer - in the games - to how three fingers on my hand grew together and replaced me? And why do not three fingers on everyone else's hands not all do the same?

I do not have a problem with avatars being similar because they come from a similar source. Just like I have no trouble believing that my fingers are similar because they come from a similar source. But that does not automatically make them replace me. Something else has to happen to catalyze that event. What is that catalyst?

I also have no issues with the idea that belief can shape reality. I could easily believe that the trio became Talos and that entity replaced Lorkhan just because everyone in the world believed it. That is exactly the kind of answer I am looking for: a specific cause for a specific effect. But I honestly cannot recall ever seeing that said anywhere in the games, either in a book or through dialogue with characters. I have looked through all the in game books (or at least I think I have), and the most any say is that Tiber died in the year 3E 38. But I never see details about how he became a god after that. If there is an in-game book that directly states that, you could just link to it and I would be happy with that answer. Very happy to be honest.

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Jul 31 2013, 09:17 PM

[Black Hand]

I am sorry Blackie, but I still do not see an answer to my question. I think you are missing what I am asking, and going off on tangents.

But I never see details about how he became a god after that. If there is an in-game book that directly states that, you could just link to it and I would be happy with that answer. Very happy to be honest.

The error lies in the perception. Not seeing the forest for the trees. You're saying fingers, I'm saying hand. The fingers do still exist, but the hand is what grasps.

It's more of a paradigm shift than an apotheosis, as they all were the same god to begin with.

That is also the reason it's never been addressed as such.

Just one final tangent:

Let's say Tiber Septim was the Nerevarine, He would have sundered his own heart with the final events of the MQ in Morrowind. Thus the fractal, insane nature of Lorkhan.

Talos is just another fractal of Lorkhan. The 'hand' if you will.

As far as the worship of Talos, in-game it's just a form of God-Hero worship, and they just so happened to have gotten it right when they lifted him above his station. Where they describe the process of the Three-In-One Talos, no I've never come across it, and your observation (which is astute, by the way, please don't misunderstand me ) is the first I've come across it.