Questions of Lore., Ask anything! Options

[Black Hand]

Since we started discussing it in the Role-Playing Forum, the idea occurred to Elizabeth Hollow me to have a dedicated thread where any could go too to ask questions relating to Lore in general.

Now, I don't want this to be TES-exclusive as Bethesda has expanded their repertoire a bit, so I invite others who are indeed masters of their respective domains to jump in and answer the many subjects I will not be able too.

To keep it simple, I think a simple format of:

A.) Ask question.

B.)Loremaster quote question and answer, providing links if necessary as others may wish to learn of it in greater detail.

C.)Where it can be avoided, no needless quote pyramids. Okay, okay that's a personal thing...but still: So much quotations!! Though I understand, sometimes your on a phone and can't really do the detailed snipping.

Now these are only guidelines as I see it. Maybe you have a better idea, and should go with that.

Now, my 'expertise' is limited to the The Elder Scrolls Series, and despite my bragging, there are definitely maybe somethings I don't know, but may be able to point in the right direction.


Alright, lets light this candle! Who gets to ask the first question?

[jack cloudy]

Perhaps they all turned into ghosts? Over the eras most Dwemer just gave up and faded away, but there are still a number of insane and agressive spirits found in the ruins of Morrowind.

Morrowind also let's us meet Yagrum Bagarn (self-styled las living dwarf) in the Corprusarium. If I remember correctly he makes two claims.
1: He is a Dwemer.
2: He was in the outer realms (Oblivion?) when the Dwemer went poof. Since he was not in Tamriel when it happened, he avoided the incident. Ok, this one is sketchy as I don't remember well and Uesp isn't too helpful. If anyone has Morrowind installed at the moment, could you hit him up at Divyath Fyr's Corprusarium and ask him about 'dissappearance of the dwarves' ?


Now naturally I just have to assume that claim 1 is correct otherwise he'll be full of empty air. And claim one isn't a sure thing either. People can lie and the only ones who know about his existence in the first place are the folks running the corprusarium. Sure, he doesn't look like all other elves, but he is possibly the oldest still living Corprus victim and who knows what he looked like before the disease/curse hit him. The biggest clues in favour of him being a Dwemer is,
1: He has the beardgrow no known elf-species can match but the Dwemer ghosts encountered in Dwemer ruins.
2: He rides on what looks like a modified Spider Centurion or a mechanism of similar design, complete with the characteristic orangeish coloration of Dwemer metal.
All in all I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

So if we assume that he is telling the truth upon claiming to be a dwarf, then we can analyze claim 2. (if I'm remembering actual dialogue instead of a personal fever dream)

Now this implies that the Dwemer had some way of reaching said outer realm. Outer realm in this case could mean some other continent, the moons or some plane of Oblivion. I'm guessing Oblivion however. Whatever happened to the Dwemer, it seems to have hit every clan in all tamriel so there is enough possibility that it hit the entire planet. Also, Daedra are regularly summoned from Oblivion and Battlespire took place in an Imperial fort somewhere in Oblivion as well, showing that interdimensional travel isn't unknown to the setting. Of course, the Battlespire came along long after the Dwemer was gone, so it could have been a new discovery.


In any case, if the Dwemer were exploring Oblivion, there is the possibility that there are more survivors hanging out there somewhere or as per one of the options he raises, the entire species has been thrown into Oblivion. If every star in the sky is indeed an opening to a plane of Oblivion, then there are more planes than I think Yagrum could search before he got taken down with the Corprus.


Speaking of which, how did Yagrum get the Corprus anyway? The Corprus is connected with the heart of Lorkhan and the Nerevarine got it directly from an upper rank minion of the Sixth House.










Now for my own personal theory that is admittedly rather farfetched and unlikely to be true. Yagrum is actually not Yagrum at all. His real name is Kagrenac. Being the one who made the tools that later let the Tribunal and the Nerevarine manipulate the heart of Lorkhan into giving divinity or taking it away, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think that he knows more about how to tap into the heart and use the tools than Vivec does. (Vivec taught the Nerevarine, so the Nerevarine's knowledge on the subject is irrelevant at best.)

That Vivec still needs the tools further suggests that he (she?) hasn't found a better method yet. Or maybe the tools are the best for sundering the heart and Vivec planned on tapping into the heart directly Dagoth Ur style the moment the Nerevarine was done slaying his enemies.

Anyhow, to get back on track. Kagrenac made the tools after studying the heart, did something with them that got the rest of the Dwemer wherever they are now, turned into a Tribunallish god himself. Then he lost the tools to the Tribunal and unable to access the heart or recover the tools, his godhood degressed into a form of Corprus.

As I said, this is an extremely farfetched theory. As such, its chances of being remotely true are practically zero.