Questions of Lore., Ask anything! Options

[Black Hand]

Since we started discussing it in the Role-Playing Forum, the idea occurred to Elizabeth Hollow me to have a dedicated thread where any could go too to ask questions relating to Lore in general.

Now, I don't want this to be TES-exclusive as Bethesda has expanded their repertoire a bit, so I invite others who are indeed masters of their respective domains to jump in and answer the many subjects I will not be able too.

To keep it simple, I think a simple format of:

A.) Ask question.

B.)Loremaster quote question and answer, providing links if necessary as others may wish to learn of it in greater detail.

C.)Where it can be avoided, no needless quote pyramids. Okay, okay that's a personal thing...but still: So much quotations!! Though I understand, sometimes your on a phone and can't really do the detailed snipping.

Now these are only guidelines as I see it. Maybe you have a better idea, and should go with that.

Now, my 'expertise' is limited to the The Elder Scrolls Series, and despite my bragging, there are definitely maybe somethings I don't know, but may be able to point in the right direction.


Alright, lets light this candle! Who gets to ask the first question?

[Darkness Eternal]

I am a man with simple tastes and simple questions, so I won't be getting too much into CHIM or anything of that sort. I do have a few things to ask.

Daedric Princes and mortals. We've seen few mortals defeat Daedric Princes such as the Champion of Cyrodiil defeat Jyggalag and the Neverarine(or just a regular character) defeat Hircine in the Bloodmoon.

What I must ask is, is it because they were these prophesized heroes who's fate was written in the stars? Or can any skilled, and I mean very skilled, mortal defeat or fend off a Daedric Prince in combat if he or she spent enough time in that realm? I know Daedra cannot be killed, so I do mean defeated.

[Black Hand]

I am a man with simple tastes and simple questions, so I won't be getting too much into CHIM or anything of that sort. I do have a few things to ask.

Daedric Princes and mortals. We've seen few mortals defeat Daedric Princes such as the Champion of Cyrodiil defeat Jyggalag and the Neverarine(or just a regular character) defeat Hircine in the Bloodmoon.

What I must ask is, is it because they were these prophesized heroes who's fate was written in the stars? Or can any skilled, and I mean very skilled, mortal defeat or fend off a Daedric Prince in combat if he or she spent enough time in that realm? I know Daedra cannot be killed, so I do mean defeated.

Hmmm. An interesting question. Morrowind makes a 'statement' in one of the Temple Quests to 'debunk' a 'False Incarnate.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:False_I...te#Quest_Stages

Tuls Valen's instructions include that if you cannot convince him that he is *not* the Nerevarine, to kill him as "The Nerevarine is protected by prophecy and cannot die."

This also seems to be included within some lines of the the 36 sermons of Vivec, but they're more subtle breakings of the fourth wall.

In Battlespire, which is an TES game, but not numbered (IDK why) the Hero defeats Mehrunes Dagon by banishing him back to his realm by learning his Protonymic, and Neonymic, or his real names.

So to answer your question in simplest terms, yes. If a mortal who is not 'protected' by prophecy is skilled enough, and has the correct knowledge, there are plenty of examples of non-heroes defeating the Daedra. Even just as simple as the Thalmor and the Argonians closing the Oblivion Gate during the Oblivion Crisis.

In fact, Black Marsh or Argonia was actually so overwhelming against Dagon's forces, *HIS* people started closing the gates themselves, and the Argonians left trapped inside continued to terrorize those forces for an indeterminate amount of time.

This post has been edited by Black Hand: Aug 29 2013, 01:13 AM