Waiting4Oblivion Parliament: The Second Runner Options

[Channler]

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[Red]

[quote=DoomedOne][quote=Red][quote=Channler][quote=Sinder Velvin]Watch this.[/quote]

I hope you all are not implying that the US is 'red people'. And I KNOW your not talking about the the 'yellow people' being the Taliban or Saddam's armys.. If so where are the killing feilds?

Regaurdless though the slaughter of the yellow people was absolutly and horribly wrong, is it not also their own fault that they didn't protect themselves? Thats like me walking into the slums of my town, flashin all my stuff and having some dude mug or kill me. Was it my fault? No, Should it happen? No, Should I walk in the slums with all my bling-bling? No...

War will never end, I hate to tell you all that, but it is the only thing that is true in this world.

Horace
In peace, as a wise man, he should make suitable preparation for war.[/quote]

I'm not saying that that's the conflict of America and Iraq in a nutshell, what I'm saying is that both countries think the other is evil and they themselves are good. In war, usually both sides are "evil" and have a reason to be attacked or to attack, but sometimes they don't weigh up to eachother. Should Jeff kill Andy because Andy threatened Jerry? Think of the Aztecs. We all believe the Spanish were terrible for attacking, raiding and exterminating the Aztecs (which they were) but the Aztecs sacrificed tens of thousands of people (sometimes in a few months).[/quote]

You exaggerated the aztecs. They sacrificed all their captives, and they mgiht have carried away like 50 from every battle. Mayans, however, simply forced their captives to convert to their religion and culture, and didn't sacrifice anybody, and the spanish slaughtered them as well.

Anyway, it all comes down to perception. Everything was extremely simplified in that thing, not personifying any real conflicts, just showing a bunch of mindless drones murdering a bunch of innocent fools. Ina ctuality, the spaniards perception was that they were catholic and therefore it was not a sin to murder the heathens. They lacked perception. The best cure for a racist is to stick him in the middle of the culture of the race he dislikes, and force him to live among them and solcialize with them if he plans to survive.

Americans perceive Iraqi terrorists as mindless malicious killers. The terrorists being fought are people surrounded by dearh and war, and heavily oppressed. They feel heavy grief, and if you know how it feels to lose someone you can imagine yourself in their position. From there, they are told that America is to blame. America shares responsibility, but it is not absolute as their superiors have them to believe. Train them a little, clear their mind, and you have a killing machine ready to commit terror. When a people is oppressed enough, and has no means to fight back in unision, and in sight, they meet in secret, and find other means. Terrorism will exist as long as war exists. "You cannot win a war more than you can win an Earthquake." - Jeanette Rankin, a republican.

PS: No lonewolf, you did not invent a word.[/quote]

Sorry for not posting this ages ago but you have to admit the legends that
the aztecs built walls and houses of gold had nothing to do with the slaughter. Actually, I believe that Cortez (the spanish man who lead the slaughter) didn't care one bit that they were Cathloc. He cared so much of the gold, hundreds of spaniards died shipping gold to spain. When the Aztecs gave him gifts of finely made feather shirts and statues, he ignored them and looked for more gold. This is what I believe is part of most wars. Back drops. Hitler hated many differant races, so he said they were taking their money. Stalin had more than 5 million people killed because they were spies.