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Apr 24 2015, 03:45 AM
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Gstaff, of Bethesda, announced on the Bethesda forum that Skyrim Workshop Now Supports Paid Mods. Here's the thread. To say the reaction there has been underwhelming is a massive understatement. If I spend more than a moment pondering unintended consequences and pitfalls, I’m afraid I must agree with the ominous implications this has for the future of modding. A ton of posts on that thread already beat up the subject pretty well. I confess I prefer as little to do with Steam as possible and have never touched their 'workshop'. I get my mods from Nexus, but the implications are disturbing - even for private hobby modders. Naturally, Steam is taking a big cut of all proceeds. Does this mean that for future games, the CK/CS will only be made available to 'for profit' Steam workshoppers? This seems to validate the concerns many of us have about Steam and their ability to control what you thought you paid for.
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Apr 25 2015, 09:13 PM
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I closely watched, and commented on, Skyrim's development from the time it was announced up until a few months before release. At that point, I made the decision that I was simply not going to give Beth any of my money for that game, period. I no longer had any interest in what they were going to do with it because I was not going to buy it.
And what was the thing that put me over the edge? What was the thing that made me decide that, even after I'd seen and commented on the elimination of attributes and the elimination of spellmaking, among many other bad decisions?
The Steam requirement. THAT was the straw that broke my back.
This is a fine example of why.
@mALX - Nexus isn't going to crash and burn. Nexus is going to join ranks with Steam and Beth, at least as a licensed provider if not as a wholly owned subsidiary. Count on it. In fact, I'm willing to bet that that deal is already being worked out.
However, any other sites that try to offer free mods WILL BE shut down. That's guaranteed. As I noted in my last post, every download of "Y" free mod is going to be seen by Beth and Steam as lost revenue, and they're going to react accordingly.
And @SubRosa - I hadn't thought about it, but I'd about guarantee that you're right about the next Geck not being able to save locally. Just like the games, it'll require Steam's malware running in the background, and Steam's malware will make it so that it will only save to Steam's servers. That's the surest way for them to retain control of the mods, and they're not going to miss an opportunity like that.
And broadly - I remember when I refused to use RealPlayer because they required the installation of a bunch of entirely unnecessary bloatware. Then I was in the majority. Now I refuse to use Steam for the same reason, but now I'm in the minority. I just find that sort of weird, and sort of sad.
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Apr 25 2015, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE(gpstr @ Apr 25 2015, 10:13 PM) ![*](style_images/tower/post_snapback.gif) I closely watched, and commented on, Skyrim's development from the time it was announced up until a few months before release. At that point, I made the decision that I was simply not going to give Beth any of my money for that game, period. I no longer had any interest in what they were going to do with it because I was not going to buy it.
And what was the thing that put me over the edge? What was the thing that made me decide that, even after I'd seen and commented on the elimination of attributes and the elimination of spellmaking, among many other bad decisions?
The Steam requirement. THAT was the straw that broke my back.
You spoke for me too, gpstr. I am still busy enough with Oblivion and Fallout 3 so my gaming time is limited enough as it is, but seeing that requirement broke the whole deal for me too. I don´t want to give away the control of my games. But I´m doing a Renee here, sorry.. ![embarrased.gif](style_emoticons/sinders/embarrased.gif) I do hope the modding community as we know it survives. Not everything needs to be monetized and sharing is a wonderful thing if done right. I don´t mod myself but if I did I would upload them and just be happy if others wanted to use them ![smile.gif](style_emoticons/sinders/smile.gif)
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Acadian Skyrim Workshop Now Supports Paid Mods Apr 24 2015, 03:45 AM ghastley As I already mentioned on the Mods thread at Beths... Apr 24 2015, 03:55 AM mirocu This is why I never support Steam or anything like... Apr 24 2015, 09:29 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mALX
This is why I never support Steam or anything lik... Apr 24 2015, 09:06 PM Grits Well, the other shoe has dropped. This explains so... Apr 24 2015, 10:30 AM mirocu Yeah, this is yet another terrible idea in the lin... Apr 24 2015, 10:42 AM Grits There are some amusing responses from modders alre... Apr 24 2015, 11:51 AM mirocu :rofl: :rofl: Apr 24 2015, 11:52 AM Grits Here is a statement from isoku. Apr 24 2015, 01:10 PM Acadian I'll never pay for a mod any more than I would... Apr 24 2015, 02:35 PM SubRosa I first read about this a month ago, and it still ... Apr 24 2015, 02:40 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) ghastley
My concern is being accused of plagarism when it ... Apr 24 2015, 04:37 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mALX
I first read about this a month ago, and it still... Apr 24 2015, 11:57 PM mirocu "Joining mirocu playing Pokemon"?
I d... Apr 24 2015, 04:19 PM Grits Aand the Nexus is down. I think I'll play some... Apr 24 2015, 04:21 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) SubRosa
Aand the Nexus is down.
Gee, the only major sit... Apr 24 2015, 04:36 PM mirocu You know, Grits... You should make us pay for read... Apr 24 2015, 04:30 PM Grits Ha ha, I’m sure I’m not… Hang on, someone’s at the... Apr 24 2015, 04:40 PM ghastley The Dark One makes a good point about plagiarism i... Apr 24 2015, 04:50 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) Grits
The Dark One makes a good point about plagiarism ... Apr 24 2015, 04:57 PM mirocu We can no longer trust any post made by the member... Apr 24 2015, 04:50 PM SubRosa And one of my predictions I made in my first post ... Apr 24 2015, 04:51 PM Acadian I wonder who the real culprit here is?
Mod user... Apr 24 2015, 05:13 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) ghastley
Steam. Have they become enough of an 800 pound... Apr 24 2015, 05:39 PM haute ecole rider Like SubRosa, I first read about this over on the ... Apr 24 2015, 05:34 PM mirocu It is a tough debate, I admit. But if we go there,... Apr 24 2015, 05:41 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) Acadian
It is a tough debate, I admit. But if we go there... Apr 24 2015, 06:04 PM SubRosa
[quote name='ghastley' post='238195' date='Apr 24... Apr 24 2015, 06:03 PM ghastley Would double your current rate make a difference? ... Apr 24 2015, 06:06 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) Acadian
Would double your current rate make a difference?... Apr 24 2015, 06:11 PM Grits Here's some news from Chesko, I think. Wow. Li... Apr 24 2015, 07:40 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) SubRosa
Here's some news from Chesko, I think. Wow. [... Apr 24 2015, 09:46 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) Callidus Thorn
Here's some news from Chesko, I think. Wow. L... Apr 24 2015, 10:01 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mALX
Here's some news from Chesko, I think. Wow. L... Apr 25 2015, 01:56 AM Acadian Yes. . . :-/o Turning a hobby into profits tend... Apr 24 2015, 07:51 PM haute ecole rider I agree, Acadian, that I wouldn't write for pr... Apr 24 2015, 09:04 PM Acadian Goodness! The BethSoft SkyMods forum is going... Apr 25 2015, 01:32 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mirocu
Goodness! The BethSoft SkyMods forum is goin... Apr 25 2015, 07:38 AM mALX Okay, I read Chesko's last post. This guy ki... Apr 25 2015, 02:36 AM SubRosa Here is one of the latest responses to the situati... Apr 25 2015, 02:53 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mALX
Here is one of the latest responses to the situat... Apr 25 2015, 03:10 AM gpstr I haven't read anything on this thread yet bec... Apr 25 2015, 03:15 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mALX
I haven't read anything on this thread yet be... Apr 25 2015, 03:50 AM SubRosa So far I have read a couple articles on Forbes abo... Apr 25 2015, 05:11 AM Grits The tone is considerably calmer this morning, or a... Apr 25 2015, 01:29 PM Acadian Grits, thanks for linking to Emma's post else ... Apr 25 2015, 02:22 PM SubRosa What Emma says about sharing brings me back to my ... Apr 25 2015, 04:09 PM mALX *
One thing no one has mentioned on any of these ... Apr 25 2015, 06:00 PM SubRosa In the past Bethesda refused mods to be sold becau... Apr 25 2015, 06:14 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mALX
In the past Bethesda refused mods to be sold beca... Apr 25 2015, 07:30 PM Acadian I'm scratching my head here still at the lack ... Apr 25 2015, 06:42 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) Callidus Thorn
I'm scratching my head here still at the lack... Apr 25 2015, 10:32 PM SubRosa My only real beef against Steam is the DRM they fo... Apr 25 2015, 10:41 PM Renee Renee: *munches popcorn* Apr 26 2015, 01:17 AM gpstr
[quote name='Acadian' post='238304' date='Apr 25 ... Apr 26 2015, 02:03 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mirocu
Sorry, but every single person who continues to d... Apr 26 2015, 07:28 AM Acadian Well, I downloaded a handful of Nexus mods on my ... Apr 26 2015, 04:03 PM Grits That’s a good idea.
Since I had already removed ... Apr 26 2015, 05:28 PM SubRosa I have been doing the opposite. I am deleting mods... Apr 26 2015, 05:52 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mALX
I have been doing the opposite. I am deleting mod... Apr 26 2015, 09:09 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/tower/spacer.gif) gpstr
When we are all tired from hashing and reacting, ... Apr 27 2015, 01:09 AM Acadian Heh, I've never navigated beyond the one Steam... Apr 26 2015, 06:31 PM Grits I saw a comment from Mardoxx and thought it was a ... Apr 26 2015, 08:06 PM SubRosa That is disappointing. It looks like I will be del... Apr 26 2015, 08:45 PM mirocu But is there really a reason to remove mods you al... Apr 26 2015, 09:11 PM SubRosa The utter contempt I feel for these people preclud... Apr 26 2015, 09:13 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mALX
The utter contempt I feel for these people preclu... Apr 26 2015, 11:01 PM mALX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-U1HZrV_ZI...eatu... Apr 27 2015, 12:08 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) SubRosa
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-U1HZrV_ZI... Apr 27 2015, 01:11 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/tower/spacer.gif) mALX
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-U1HZrV_ZI... Apr 27 2015, 02:30 AM Acadian I'm more upset with Steam than anyone else. S... Apr 27 2015, 12:19 AM mALX Here is the list of mods behind the paywall:
htt... Apr 27 2015, 01:08 AM Acadian MALX, thanks for posting that list of paymods. Pr... Apr 27 2015, 03:23 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mALX
MALX, thanks for posting that list of paymods. P... Apr 27 2015, 04:24 AM Acadian I believe this is good news indeed:
http://stea... Apr 28 2015, 12:57 AM haute ecole rider Now that's interesting! I honestly did not... Apr 28 2015, 01:00 AM SubRosa That is good news.
h.e.r. Forbes ran this intere... Apr 28 2015, 01:26 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mALX
That is good news.
h.e.r. Forbes ran this inter... Apr 28 2015, 05:03 AM mALX WOOO HOOOOO !!!! It is OVAH ... Apr 28 2015, 01:31 AM gpstr I guarantee that it's not over.
Now Beth and ... Apr 28 2015, 01:42 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mirocu
I guarantee that it's not over.
Now Beth and... Apr 28 2015, 07:24 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) Callidus Thorn
I guarantee that it's not over.
Now Beth and... Apr 28 2015, 08:44 AM Grits “We’ve done this because it’s clear we didn’t unde... Apr 28 2015, 01:48 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) SubRosa
Wait, I thought FO4 was going to be FOO, FallOut ... Apr 28 2015, 02:38 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/tower/spacer.gif) mALX
Wait, I thought FO4 was going to be FOO, FallOut... Apr 28 2015, 03:36 AM mALX Bethesda Quote:
Some are concerned that this who... Apr 28 2015, 01:52 AM ghastley Time to necro this thread, with the announcement o... Jun 12 2017, 05:57 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mALX
Time to necro this thread, with the announcement ... Jun 12 2017, 08:48 PM TheCheshireKhajiit Well, they have said they won't be replacing t... Jun 13 2017, 03:23 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mALX
Well, they have said they won't be replacing ... Jun 13 2017, 05:42 AM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/tower/spacer.gif) TheCheshireKhajiit
Ditto. I never felt like they truly gave up the ... Jun 13 2017, 06:35 AM ghastley My big worry is that they'll start restricting... Jun 13 2017, 01:32 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mALX
My big worry is that they'll start restrictin... Jun 13 2017, 01:53 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) TheCheshireKhajiit
My big worry is that they'll start restrictin... Jun 13 2017, 03:28 PM ghastley On the other hand, maybe it will be the end of sil... Jun 13 2017, 01:58 PM ghastley I can't remember where I read it now, but some... Aug 31 2017, 02:59 PM![](style_images/tower/to_down_pipe.gif) mALX
I can't remember where I read it now, but som... Aug 31 2017, 05:23 PM ghastley I don't see this as Steam-related in any way. ... Aug 31 2017, 06:03 PM
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