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SubRosa
post Mar 26 2015, 07:05 PM
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It is out today. Has anyone bought it and given it a try yet? It is on my To Do list of games. But I was hoping to hear a bit more about it. The Reviews are solid. It sounds like a modern successor to the classic Baldur's Gate-style rpg games, with a new fantasy setting, an isometric view, party of characters, lot of races and classes to choose from.


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post Aug 31 2015, 10:14 PM
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I think you should give buying Pillars some serious thought. I think you would really like it, given how much you enjoyed Baldur's Gate II. It is definitely an archer-friendly game (unlike Dragon Age), and a glass cannon type character can work really well here so long as they have a Mazoga to run interference for them.

For me the biggest difference between Pillars and the old BG and NWN games is the Attributes, and what they affect. In the old games if you wanted a Fighter, you put your points in Strength and Constitution. If you wanted an Archer you put them in Dexterity. If you wanted a Mage you put them in Intelligence, etc...

But Pillars changes how all that stuff works. For example, Might is important to almost all characters because that is your damage bonus for everything, melee, ranged, and magic. Constitution is what keeps you alive. Nuff said there. Dexterity is important because it is what reduces the time you spend doing nothing between attacks. Perception is important because that is your To Hit bonus. Resolve is important because it adds a small bonus to your Deflection, and it is your defense against enemies Interrupting your attacks, and finally it is your Will save vs mind attacks. Intellect is the only true dump stat for some characters, in that it affects the range of area of effects and durations. For Fighters not a real big deal. But for a mage it makes a big difference.

I am finally getting the knack of distributing points around, and which ones are important for various classes. Like a lot of games, you really don't get enough points to spread around, considering how just about everything matters. So I started using the console to add another 8 Attribute points after character creation. That seems to work well, without making a ridiculously overpowered character.


I tried a little more of the Ranged Rogue with a Wood Elf this time. What I have observed is that Sneak Attacks are what makes this character work. That first shot in combat that is a guaranteed Sneak Attack always does a lot of damage. So do the shots following Hobbling Strike and your team Fighter's Knockdowns. But once those Sneak Attack opportunities are gone, your damage output really drops. So the longer the fight goes, the harder it becomes to hurt the bad guys.

The Ranger OTOH, is a lot more balanced. She doesn't do that walloping damage to start with as a Ranged Rogue. But when you add her animal companion in, she's no slouch either. Unlike the Rogue, she's just as good after all the Knockdowns and Hobbles have been used up. Plus her Companion runs interference for her, meaning she needs less armor, which in turns means faster attacks.

Now that I have played through the beginning "Tutorial" section of the game I have learned a few things as well. The Culture you choose determines your starting weapons and armor. But don't pick a Culture just to get a sword or a spear. There is a merchant right by you when you start, and you can sell the weapons you start with for anything else you might want. Don't bother buying armor unless you want something heavy to start with. If you explore the map you can find a dead body in the south east with a suit of Leather, which is a good medium armor. Then once you start fighting bad guys, lots of suits of Hide and Leather will become available.

The following is very spoilery, so don't read if you want to find it all out for yourself: (spoiler quotes don't seem to work!)

When you have the big showdown with the bad guys who have taken Heodan hostage, you will probably have a lot of dialogue choices. Most of them don't really change anything. Don't lower your weapons, because you will still have to fight, but with your bare fists instead! Most of the other options seem to turn out the same, with Heodan being crippled and knocked down and a fight starting. The Lore option worked the one time I tried it, allowing Heodan to get away clean and start the fight without any wounds and debuffs. I did try sneaking in and avoiding the dialogue entirely by shooting the bad guy leader with a bow. That just resulted in Heodan automatically dying, so don't do that! (Though it is possible I targeted him by mistake!)

Once you run inside the ruin to hide from the storm, you will get some camping supplies and a dialogue choice to rest or not. If you rest, Calisca will run out on you while you are sleeping. So you will have to do the dungeon without her. If you don't rest, Heodan spends the whole time with some serious penalties from his debuffs that only rest can heal. If you try to be clever and say we'll continue on without resting in the dialogue - then rest anway a little while later - Calisca still deserts you. However, if you use the console to force a rest, the game doesn't seem to realize what you did, and Calisca stays, and Heodan gets healed. wink.gif Finally, if you manage to get Heodan through the battle outside without any crippling injuries the dialogue choice between pushing on immediately or resting never appears. You can then rest and Calisca will remain with your party!

But no matter what you do, both Calisca and Heodan die once you exit the ruin. So don't get attached to them.

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SubRosa   Pillars Of Eternity   Mar 26 2015, 07:05 PM
ArtemisNoir2   Somebody I know on a small, private forum (so I wo...   Mar 26 2015, 08:00 PM
SubRosa   One thing I am really interested in hearing is how...   Mar 26 2015, 09:57 PM
Acadian   You can really see the BG influence in the shots a...   Mar 26 2015, 10:06 PM
mirocu   But I´m not done with Oblivion and Fallout 3 yet.....   Mar 26 2015, 10:11 PM
stargelman   Don't have time to post, really. As one of 770...   Apr 16 2015, 05:28 PM
SubRosa   Since it is on sale at Gog, I decided to finally b...   Aug 28 2015, 12:37 AM
SubRosa   I also forgot to add that it starts out exactly th...   Aug 28 2015, 11:18 PM
Acadian   Thanks for sharing your impressions, SubRosa. I k...   Aug 28 2015, 11:45 PM
SubRosa   Okay, since you forced me, I spent the evening rol...   Aug 29 2015, 03:40 AM
Acadian   Wow, thanks for such wonderfully detailed observat...   Aug 29 2015, 03:55 AM
SubRosa   Forgot to include A pic from my Druid's game. ...   Aug 29 2015, 04:16 AM
Acadian   The screenie looks great. As you say, quite famil...   Aug 29 2015, 02:21 PM
SubRosa   I did some digging, and found a list of helpful co...   Aug 29 2015, 05:45 PM
SubRosa   Ok, here are some basic console commands that work...   Aug 29 2015, 10:10 PM
Acadian   I can see that if I ever pick up PoE, I'll be ...   Aug 29 2015, 10:26 PM
SubRosa   If you ever pick it up? Does that mean you are act...   Aug 30 2015, 02:00 AM
SubRosa   I bring glad tidings from the world of Pillars. I ...   Aug 30 2015, 09:29 PM
haute ecole rider   Thanks to your reviews, I downloaded Pillars for t...   Aug 30 2015, 11:52 PM
SubRosa   Yay, another forumite has been Pillared! :lol...   Aug 31 2015, 12:49 AM
SubRosa   I went and bought The White March expansion pass. ...   Aug 31 2015, 03:35 AM
Acadian   :lol: Boo has been replaced by a piglet!   Aug 31 2015, 03:41 AM
haute ecole rider   Because my new Skyrim toon is in the midst of the ...   Aug 31 2015, 03:45 AM
SubRosa   Acaidan: I was thinking of Boo as well! Hamste...   Aug 31 2015, 04:23 PM
haute ecole rider   When SeJin leveled up, I didn't notice if Ursu...   Aug 31 2015, 05:20 PM
SubRosa   I like the isometric view. It works better for str...   Aug 31 2015, 07:38 PM
haute ecole rider   I like the isometric view. It works better for st...   Sep 1 2015, 03:58 AM
SubRosa   [quote name='SubRosa' post='244506' date='Aug 31 ...   Sep 1 2015, 07:15 PM
Acadian   Drawn in by all this talk of ranged combat, animal...   Aug 31 2015, 10:11 PM
Acadian   That's great news. As you can imagine, I gave...   Aug 31 2015, 11:16 PM
SubRosa   The White March dlc adds in some new Talents you c...   Sep 1 2015, 12:17 AM
Acadian   Oh that sounds fabulous - a wood elven bow ranger ...   Sep 1 2015, 12:23 AM
SubRosa   There are some things I have figured out about Def...   Sep 1 2015, 12:30 AM
haute ecole rider   I also like how the choices you make in the dialog...   Sep 1 2015, 09:32 PM
SubRosa   Yay for staying home and playing computer games in...   Sep 2 2015, 12:55 AM
Acadian   I can see this thread will be a great resource for...   Sep 2 2015, 01:08 AM
Lopov   After reading through this thread and some reviews...   Sep 2 2015, 10:19 AM
haute ecole rider   So in the TES games, you cheat by opening the cons...   Sep 2 2015, 05:07 PM
SubRosa   The exact same way. Except that once the console i...   Sep 2 2015, 05:15 PM
Lopov   I started PoE today -> my character is a human ...   Sep 2 2015, 08:59 PM
SubRosa   Another Pillar of the community! ;) Mowrin ...   Sep 2 2015, 09:58 PM
SubRosa   Skadi and Fenrir Fighting [s]Kobolds Xaurip [url...   Sep 3 2015, 12:47 AM
Lopov   How do you manage to get "so close" to y...   Sep 3 2015, 07:11 AM
Acadian   Great shots! I was looking on those sites you...   Sep 3 2015, 12:38 PM
Lopov   This means that we can expect to see Buffy joining...   Sep 3 2015, 01:57 PM
SubRosa   Lopov: I used the SetZoomRange {minimum zoom} {max...   Sep 3 2015, 02:08 PM
Lopov   I took on that Bear alone with Persephone, and it ...   Sep 3 2015, 02:24 PM
SubRosa   I play on Average, so maybe that is why the Bear w...   Sep 3 2015, 03:28 PM
SubRosa   One thing that has not been mentioned for the bene...   Sep 3 2015, 06:38 PM
Lopov   I just alt-tabbed out of the game and have a quest...   Sep 3 2015, 07:01 PM
SubRosa   I just started using IE mod, so it could be that a...   Sep 3 2015, 08:14 PM
Lopov   Okay, maybe I'll use this mod in the future as...   Sep 3 2015, 09:06 PM
Renee   Aww, so cute to see you folks rolling nu t00ns to ...   Sep 4 2015, 02:21 AM
SubRosa   Aww, so cute to see you folks rolling nu t00ns to...   Sep 4 2015, 03:25 AM
SubRosa   Some notes about Wizards. I already mentioned be...   Sep 5 2015, 02:20 AM
Lopov   I rolled a new toon, a monk again, but this time I...   Sep 5 2015, 07:04 PM
SubRosa   A Yeti monk! I know that pic, it's Aarin G...   Sep 5 2015, 07:17 PM
Lopov   The name Yetizad is from a comic book. Yetizad was...   Sep 5 2015, 09:34 PM
SubRosa   Wow, I had never heard of that Yetizad. But I stop...   Sep 5 2015, 09:51 PM
Lopov   Yetizad was featured in an Italian comic series ca...   Sep 5 2015, 10:15 PM
SubRosa   I like that bird logo Zagor has on his chest. It l...   Sep 5 2015, 10:24 PM
SubRosa   Here is a map of the game world. It shows where th...   Sep 6 2015, 03:24 AM
Acadian   Very nice, SubRosa! It's great to see the...   Sep 6 2015, 04:05 AM
SubRosa   This looks like one of Persephone's old pals ...   Sep 7 2015, 03:55 AM
haute ecole rider   This looks like one of Persephone's old pals ...   Sep 15 2015, 12:28 AM
Lopov   SubRosa, Persephone's race is Godlike, right? ...   Sep 7 2015, 12:51 PM
SubRosa   Persephone is a human. When I first tried her out ...   Sep 7 2015, 04:27 PM
Lopov   Yeah, it's quite confusing, though the good th...   Sep 7 2015, 07:14 PM
SubRosa   Serana cleans up with a Ghost Blades spell Team D...   Sep 7 2015, 08:06 PM
Acadian   Spectacular shots, SubRosa. That sword spell look...   Sep 7 2015, 09:57 PM
SubRosa   That Ghost Blades spell is awesome. It is a 1st Le...   Sep 8 2015, 12:09 AM
haute ecole rider   Clancy Brown sounds perfect as Darryl! :blink:...   Sep 8 2015, 12:12 AM
SubRosa   It is the Male - Sinister voice. Turns out is done...   Sep 8 2015, 12:42 AM
Lopov   Nice shots - Darryl is humongous! Team Deadwa...   Sep 8 2015, 06:42 PM
SubRosa   I used the console to buff up Team Deadwalker...   Sep 8 2015, 08:11 PM
Lopov   I couldn't get cheats to work in Yeti's ga...   Sep 9 2015, 10:25 PM
SubRosa   Good luck to Aryan! The amount of variables ...   Sep 9 2015, 11:21 PM
Lopov   Even more, if you managedto get through the fight ...   Sep 10 2015, 06:15 AM
SubRosa   The Deadwalkers have been plumbing the Endless Dep...   Sep 10 2015, 11:59 PM
SubRosa   Team Deadwalker ventured beyond the Eastern Barbic...   Sep 11 2015, 04:18 AM
Lopov   Are Endless Paths of Od Nua completely optional or...   Sep 11 2015, 06:23 AM
SubRosa   You only have to do the dungeon of Caed Nua, and a...   Sep 11 2015, 09:45 AM
haute ecole rider   Reloaded the game. Got further against that Forest...   Sep 11 2015, 06:17 PM
Lopov   SubRosa, do you by chance know a console command t...   Sep 11 2015, 07:43 PM
SubRosa   Reloaded the game. Got further against that Fores...   Sep 11 2015, 08:02 PM
Lopov   I found the correct code, it's quest_item_sack...   Sep 11 2015, 08:54 PM
SubRosa   I am not having any luck with it now. I even tried...   Sep 11 2015, 09:06 PM
Lopov   Thanks anyway. I'll wait for the save editor t...   Sep 11 2015, 11:02 PM
SubRosa   Aryan is taking on the world with just one compani...   Sep 12 2015, 02:13 AM
Lopov   I buffed both of them with the console, so they ca...   Sep 12 2015, 07:57 AM
Acadian   SubRosa, love the little black cat familiar! ...   Sep 12 2015, 03:25 PM
SubRosa   I buffed both of them with the console, so they c...   Sep 12 2015, 07:13 PM
Colonel Mustard   Eyyyy! *Finger guns into thread* I've ju...   Sep 13 2015, 09:56 AM
SubRosa   It is real time combat. But you can pause the game...   Sep 13 2015, 04:54 PM
SubRosa   If you could find where the game keeps the compani...   Sep 15 2015, 12:33 AM
haute ecole rider   YES!! Found it, thanks! *scurries off...   Sep 15 2015, 12:40 AM
SubRosa   It's Elrond! And is that James Bond beside...   Sep 15 2015, 01:07 AM
haute ecole rider   Yup! And Yup - my favorite JB. SeJin (my PC) ...   Sep 15 2015, 02:26 AM
Lopov   Now if someone says that they aren't similar.....   Sep 16 2015, 10:00 PM
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