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mirocu
post Nov 13 2015, 04:39 PM
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Yeah... The irony of me starting this thread is not lost on me biggrin.gif



But go right ahead! This is the thread for Fallout 4 quest spoilers as well as hints and tips on... how to.... build something.. maybe... Oh, I donīt know. Just spill the beans, will you! tongue.gif


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post Nov 14 2015, 08:03 PM
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I haven't done much of the MQ yet. Got to Diamond City and went back to exploring.

It's all "My husband is dead and my baby is gone" but I have no emotional connection to them so there's nothing drawing me into the MQ.

Then there's the whole thing about people not liking Synths. Nobody in the game has actually explained why they hate synths, and nobody will explain what The Institute is.

Why should my character care about any of it? She just wants to build stuff and shoot people.

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post Nov 14 2015, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(hazmick @ Nov 14 2015, 08:03 PM) *

Why should my character care about any of it? She just wants to build stuff and shoot people.

Exactly how my characters have approached the MQ in all Beth games laugh.gif


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QUOTE(mirocu @ Nov 14 2015, 02:59 PM) *

QUOTE(hazmick @ Nov 14 2015, 08:03 PM) *

Why should my character care about any of it? She just wants to build stuff and shoot people.

Exactly how my characters have approached the MQ in all Beth games laugh.gif



I did care about Uriel Septim VII in Oblivion; and felt awful when he died - and felt sad when the Knights of the Nine went back into their tombs. I remember crying and feeling shocked when Arch Mage Traven died; and being terrified of the zombies and the Oblivion gates opening up all over as I walked around, how the sky would rumble and turn red; and remember feeling horrified by the dead bodies left in their wake if you didn't handle the Oblivion gates in a timely fashion. I remember feeling sorry for Martin when I first brought him to Cloud Ruler Temple and he felt so alienated from everything he knew and clung to you as a friend.

So at one point, Bethesda did know how to make a good questline. They knew how to place it there so you could approach it if you wanted to but avoid it if you didn't. Back then they let the Player make all the decisions about what they wanted to do in their games; in their roleplay; just offered them great stories to get into at their own will and pace.

What changed was that Todd Howard got angry over how many people ignored the main questline in Oblivion that he had worked so hard on, he couldn't believe anyone wouldn't want to save the world.

So from that point on he started trying to force the main questline down the Player's throat (as in Skyrim) and/or make it a contrived emotional experience that he didn't think the Player could walk away from (like searching for your father in Fallout 3); and now in Fallout 4 he is doing both by kidnapping your child and jackhammering you into the main quest as quick and hard as he can.

But he's forgotten how to build the emotions like they used to do in their early games. And that is what made me really feel the quests in Bethesda's older games and the stories in TES Lore.




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mirocu   Fallout 4 - spoiler version   Nov 13 2015, 04:39 PM
mALX   Thanks Mirocu! I'm waiting for juicy inf...   Nov 13 2015, 05:30 PM
Winter Wolf   The irony is not lost on me either. First Mirocu r...   Nov 13 2015, 11:30 PM
mALX   The irony is not lost on me either. First Mirocu ...   Nov 13 2015, 11:37 PM
Winter Wolf   This is still going to be hard to do. I would hate...   Nov 14 2015, 02:25 AM
mALX   This is still going to be hard to do. I would hat...   Nov 14 2015, 02:27 AM
Winter Wolf   Yes, the scene they rolled out at E3 (which shows ...   Nov 14 2015, 02:32 AM
mALX   Yes, the scene they rolled out at E3 (which shows...   Nov 14 2015, 02:37 AM
mALX   Just from what I've seen on YouTube = really n...   Nov 14 2015, 07:11 PM
mirocu   What changed was that Todd Howard got angry over ...   Nov 14 2015, 10:06 PM
mALX   What changed was that Todd Howard got angry over...   Nov 14 2015, 10:33 PM
mALX   I haven't done much of the MQ yet. Got to Dia...   Nov 14 2015, 09:09 PM
mirocu   Letīs just face it; Beth should only do the sandbo...   Nov 14 2015, 09:13 PM
mirocu   Watched a video just now and I gotta say, those gh...   Nov 14 2015, 10:56 PM
Winter Wolf   Yeah, I feel the vibe has certainly changed. It is...   Nov 15 2015, 12:47 AM
mALX   Yeah, I feel the vibe has certainly changed. It i...   Nov 15 2015, 12:57 AM
hazmick   Any questline that involves you searching for some...   Nov 15 2015, 01:20 AM
mALX   Any questline that involves you searching for som...   Nov 15 2015, 02:30 AM
mirocu   I'll have to disagree with you guys on the Gh...   Nov 15 2015, 08:45 AM
hazmick   And I seriously donīt like the out-of-character-t...   Nov 15 2015, 02:17 PM
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mALX   You must go through many boxes of tissues, mALX. ...   Nov 15 2015, 02:52 AM
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mALX   The chameleon armor is great. Because the game us...   Nov 16 2015, 02:31 AM
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mALX   The others are a look at some of the settlement ...   Nov 16 2015, 02:56 AM
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hazmick   Unfortunately I cannot take credit for that Sanct...   Nov 16 2015, 03:20 AM
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mirocu   Wolf - Love the S2 pic - pure Fallout feel! :g...   Nov 16 2015, 08:31 AM
Winter Wolf   Thanks for the help! Is it still a double t...   Nov 16 2015, 09:01 AM
hazmick   mirocu - I really like the power armor in FO4. It ...   Nov 16 2015, 03:40 PM
mALX   Here's a helpful video with some hints and s...   Nov 16 2015, 04:25 PM
SubRosa   Cool, they really do have dog armor!   Nov 16 2015, 04:38 PM
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