Star Wars Thread 1: The Phantom Post, Star Wars Options

[Dark Reaper]

Eh Star Wars thread on the Bethesda forums lets bring it here. Anyway if anyone here love Red Letter Media and the Star Wars Pizza Roll review then you're in luck cause He's Baaaaack.

I love the part where he talks about the connection between the prequels and the original trilogy as it give you an insight that the prequels COULD have worked as proper Star Wars films, but it was the sloppy writing that did the most damage. The review is giving me an urge to rewatch the prequels.......Excuse me I need to take a shower in hot water and cry uncontrollably.

[Uleni Athram]

Darth Maul alone was the only good thing about the Prequels for me. So much potential, so much untapped awesome potential..... IMO he should've survived and taken Grievous' place as Obi-Wan's main opponent. But then that raises the question of how Dooku would fit in in the scenario of Maul surviving, since having them both around violates the Ro2. Interesting stuff to think about nonetheless.

[Callidus Thorn]

Darth Maul alone was the only good thing about the Prequels for me. So much potential, so much untapped awesome potential..... IMO he should've survived and taken Grievous' place as Obi-Wan's main opponent. But then that raises the question of how Dooku would fit in in the scenario of Maul surviving, since having them both around violates the Ro2. Interesting stuff to think about nonetheless.

Personally, I rather liked Dooku, even his fight against Yoda(Just for the comic value. I remember watching it in a cinema with a friend, and we couldn't stop laughing at it. It's kind of sad that that fight was still better than anything in Revenge )

And Maul definitely would have been a better choice than Grievous, though maybe have him go toe-to-toe with Mace Windu instead of Obi-Wan. That would have been such a cool fight.

I could see Sidious throwing a third Sith into the mix without any trouble. Part of his plan was that both Grievous and Dooku were expendable, especially once he's decided to make Anakin his apprentice. So if he's planning to kill both Dooku and Maul, all he needs to do is make sure they don't unite against him(easy enough given their characters) and he can just let the Jedi kill them, remain hidden, and recruit Anakin afterwards.

[Uleni Athram]

Darth Maul alone was the only good thing about the Prequels for me. So much potential, so much untapped awesome potential..... IMO he should've survived and taken Grievous' place as Obi-Wan's main opponent. But then that raises the question of how Dooku would fit in in the scenario of Maul surviving, since having them both around violates the Ro2. Interesting stuff to think about nonetheless.

Personally, I rather liked Dooku, even his fight against Yoda(Just for the comic value. I remember watching it in a cinema with a friend, and we couldn't stop laughing at it. It's kind of sad that that fight was still better than anything in Revenge )

And Maul definitely would have been a better choice than Grievous, though maybe have him go toe-to-toe with Mace Windu instead of Obi-Wan. That would have been such a cool fight.

I could see Sidious throwing a third Sith into the mix without any trouble. Part of his plan was that both Grievous and Dooku were expendable, especially once he's decided to make Anakin his apprentice. So if he's planning to kill both Dooku and Maul, all he needs to do is make sure they don't unite against him(easy enough given their characters) and he can just let the Jedi kill them, remain hidden, and recruit Anakin afterwards.

Dooku was... I dunno, he lacked that pure punch of impression that made him memorable as an entity for me. It could be that I saw him more as Saruman In Space! that tilts me to this view, heh. His duels were meh as well, but it couldn't be helped I suppose, the actor portraying him wasn't young anyway (RIP Christopher Lee).

Maul vs Mace? HOHOHOHO, now that's certainly a duel for the ages. I always entertained the thought that Maul has a decent chance of winning, but the wombo combo that is Shatterpoint and Vaapad is just beyond even his martial excellence. Maul would probably get his head cut off like Daddy Fett after a lengthy and epic showdown.

I could totally see Sidious doing that kind of iconoclastic move considering that in the EU he essentially had a legion of dark siders at his beck and call (abused a loophole in the Ro2), but IMO having two Sith would probably present more risks than benefits in the long run. I mean they might be pawns, but pawns can still eat kings and I can see one of them revealing who Palpatine really is to the Jedi after realizing Palpatine's penultimate goal of casting them aside.

[Callidus Thorn]

Dooku was... I dunno, he lacked that pure punch of impression that made him memorable as an entity for me. It could be that I saw him more as Saruman In Space! that tilts me to this view, heh. His duels were meh as well, but it couldn't be helped I suppose, the actor portraying him wasn't young anyway (RIP Christopher Lee).

That was actually one of the things I liked about Dooku. He wasn't in-your-face hostile like Maul was. He was megalomaniacal like Sidious. He was restrained, presented as much as being against the corrupt Jedi order as anything else. And I personally preferred his dueling style to that of the other saber-jockeys in the films, because his usage, in my opinion, was more in line with Obi-Wan's description of the weepon in A New Hope: "An elegant weapon... for a more civilized age.".

Maul vs Mace? HOHOHOHO, now that's certainly a duel for the ages. I always entertained the thought that Maul has a decent chance of winning, but the wombo combo that is Shatterpoint and Vaapad is just beyond even his martial excellence. Maul would probably get his head cut off like Daddy Fett after a lengthy and epic showdown.

Well, with Maul being a more fierce opponent, it would leave Mace skirting the dark side a little closer than usual in order to win. But I agree, it would make for an epic fight which Mace wins. But it would have been the best lightsaber fight in the Star Wars universe!

I could totally see Sidious doing that kind of iconoclastic move considering that in the EU he essentially had a legion of dark siders at his beck and call (abused a loophole in the Ro2), but IMO having two Sith would probably present more risks than benefits in the long run. I mean they might be pawns, but pawns can still eat kings and I can see one of them revealing who Palpatine really is to the Jedi after realizing Palpatine's penultimate goal of casting them aside.

They could try and reveal Palpatine, but one's a Sith and the other walked out on the Jedi Order to become a Sith. I don't see the Jedi believing either one of them. As for realising Palpatine's penultimate goal; Dooku and Grievous never saw it coming, and both of them were looking at the strategy behind the war. I could see Palpatine taking that risk to make sure he can pull off his plan. It even gives him a little added incentive for sending out Maul in Episode One(I can't bring myself to name that film) since the Jedi wouldn't trust Maul after he openly opposes them as a Sith.


Of course, all of this would have relied on Lucas' ability to pull this off, so it would probably have made the prequels even worse

[Uleni Athram]

Dooku was... I dunno, he lacked that pure punch of impression that made him memorable as an entity for me. It could be that I saw him more as Saruman In Space! that tilts me to this view, heh. His duels were meh as well, but it couldn't be helped I suppose, the actor portraying him wasn't young anyway (RIP Christopher Lee).

That was actually one of the things I liked about Dooku. He wasn't in-your-face hostile like Maul was. He was megalomaniacal like Sidious. He was restrained, presented as much as being against the corrupt Jedi order as anything else. And I personally preferred his dueling style to that of the other saber-jockeys in the films, because his usage, in my opinion, was more in line with Obi-Wan's description of the weepon in A New Hope: "An elegant weapon... for a more civilized age.".

Maul vs Mace? HOHOHOHO, now that's certainly a duel for the ages. I always entertained the thought that Maul has a decent chance of winning, but the wombo combo that is Shatterpoint and Vaapad is just beyond even his martial excellence. Maul would probably get his head cut off like Daddy Fett after a lengthy and epic showdown.

Well, with Maul being a more fierce opponent, it would leave Mace skirting the dark side a little closer than usual in order to win. But I agree, it would make for an epic fight which Mace wins. But it would have been the best lightsaber fight in the Star Wars universe!

I could totally see Sidious doing that kind of iconoclastic move considering that in the EU he essentially had a legion of dark siders at his beck and call (abused a loophole in the Ro2), but IMO having two Sith would probably present more risks than benefits in the long run. I mean they might be pawns, but pawns can still eat kings and I can see one of them revealing who Palpatine really is to the Jedi after realizing Palpatine's penultimate goal of casting them aside.

They could try and reveal Palpatine, but one's a Sith and the other walked out on the Jedi Order to become a Sith. I don't see the Jedi believing either one of them. As for realising Palpatine's penultimate goal; Dooku and Grievous never saw it coming, and both of them were looking at the strategy behind the war. I could see Palpatine taking that risk to make sure he can pull off his plan. It even gives him a little added incentive for sending out Maul in Episode One(I can't bring myself to name that film) since the Jedi wouldn't trust Maul after he openly opposes them as a Sith.


Of course, all of this would have relied on Lucas' ability to pull this off, so it would probably have made the prequels even worse

Less on Lucas' ability to pull it off and more on the Jedi's basic ability to understand what was said to them, really. Like, Dooku actually said to either Anakin or Obi-Wan that the Senate was actually in control of the Sith and come Revenge when the reveal was set up, they were actually surprised! Derp